Right to Work in NY

[RDN]

I use to be in a Union. At times I felt my monies paid to dues was like extortion.

What do you think

Right-to-work court case could have national impact on unions

 

[Kwalsh]

I always feel like money is being stolen from me by my union,always seems like they are taking and never giving.

Damn csea has no balls

 

[Cooolone]

UnionS and the benefits they provide to their members are indisputable! There are many benefits NONUNION workers receive that are ONLY due to the labor movement... History cannot be denied no matter how you feel about it.

That said, any RIGHT to work movement, effort, has been with just one purpose, to BUST UNIONS... Very simple! So no, not good, not ok. You don't want to work in a union shop, ok, go work non-Union. But forcing employers who have collective bargaining agreements and workers who are a part of that collective bargaining unit to be subject to working along side those who wish not to be in the union BUT be entitled to the same benefits is total BS plain and simple...

 

[Saltwater60]

I feel like it's my money I should be able to decide, but I agree unions do provide a benifit. Look at any place where the management is non union and the shift workers are union. Take my place for example the shift workers get an extra 1.5% in thier 401K and there health insurance I would die for. They pay $30.00 per week for health insurance $20 copays and have no deductibles and no coinsurnace. I pay about $450 more per month I have a $500 deductible, my copays are $25.00 and $40.00, my drugs are more expensive $250 per moth for specialty drugs, $250 for er visit, and 80/20 co insurance up to $5,000 per year. So I can spend up to $10,000-$12,000 more per year than they do. I might make $5,000 more per year, but they make it up in a bit of overtime. I'd pay the union dues for what they get anyway. They have this for another 3 years.

 

[Cooolone]

Fact of the matter is management does not suffer the same protections as members of a collective bargaining unit as they represent the employer. Theirs is not to be compared with assembly line workers. Funny thing is unions have elections too, and meetings, if you belong to one and don't like what is going on, then change things... But just like in society, people run home after work, don't get involved and then bitch about how fucked up things are.

Fact is, unions aren't needed in employment where the employer takes care of its employees correctly. The absolute BEST contemporary example of this is "GOOGLE"... But there are plenty of others. Unions only exist because they can, or are necessary. Yes, there are abuses, but there is abuse wherever you look. On the whole, Unions provide a better standard of living, both on and off the job! This is indisputable! Anywhere it doesn't happen, there is sweetheart deals going on, union officials on the take and more! But those are the one's that get the publicity, just like everything else... Only the bad gets attention. Want to talk about contemporary benefits derived from the Organized Labor movement? Compensation, Unemployment, Social Security? OSHA? Yeah, yeah, yeah... We can talk about how there are abuses in those too, but you can't talk about those without talking about the millions upon millions who've benefitted legitimately. Before unions, do you want to talk about child labor? Before unions do you want to talk about getting hurt and discarded? How about the Triangle Factory Fire right here in NY? But all in all... A Union job is better and has more benefits in scale/compensation/benefits than non. A Union workplace is safer and has less lost time per worker than non. A Union job overall is more productive than non. Union jobs have better proficiency due to methods and available training, etc.

So again, just look at States whereas the RIGHT to WORK has been instituted, and let me know who well that worked out for the "WORKER"... The businesses or employers reaped windfalls, but not the workers!

Enjoy!

 

[MothMan]

Unions have become political piggybanks for the liberal progressive politicians. Keep all the unions you want. Don't mandate that an employee pay dues that are then used for things the he/she doesn't agree with.

I always feel like money is being stolen from me by my union,always seems like they are taking and never giving.

Damn csea has no balls

Come on now! You know Danny Donahue has got your back.

 

[GOPerfect]

I am pretty much anti-union. I belong to one here in New York because I HAVE to.

I have no choice. They take the money regardless if I want to be a member or not.

I would love to see these laws changed. End this theft!

 

[Doc8404]

I always feel like money is being stolen from me by my union,always seems like they are taking and never giving.

Damn csea has no balls

When I was DOT in Utica, CSEA was nothing but a way for the officers to get time away from their jobs. Worthless windbags.

EDIT: I wasn't part of csea.

 

[Robin]

Corrupt Socialists Eating America
Robin

 

[STS556]

I am in the Teamsters union and would never work for a non union company. I get paid a wage that i can live on very comfortably and don't have to worry about if the mortgage is getting paid. All my benefits are company paid; health, pension and annuity do not come out of my pocket. I have full dental and vision which is hard to come by or very limited in non union work places. These benefits continue after retirement. I work between 6 to 24 hours overtime a week and get paid every minute for it. I have lawyers at my disposal for my family and I which come in very handy at times.

As with any union there are dues. This is peanuts compared to the benefits received. Any employee disputes with the company are setteled instantly usualy in the employee's favor. It is almost impossible to get fired as long as you are doing the job correctly. Our job description, benefits and raises are written into the contract and these can't be changed and nothing else can be forced upon us. Being in a union is almost like the employees have control of management, and in my book thats a win unless you prefer to be controlled by socialist corporate America.

 

[MikeyCNY]

I am pretty much anti-union. I belong to one here in New York because I HAVE to.

I have no choice. They take the money regardless if I want to be a member or not.

I would love to see these laws changed. End this theft!

Same here; if I want dental and vision insurance I need to be in the union. Even if I wasn't, as I understand it, they would deduct ~$22/paycheck anyway.

I get a monthly propaganda rag from them that I used as a cleaning mat for my guns. They are always quick to endorse a Democrat.. they put Cuomo's name up in stars then attack him after being elected.. the minute that $hillary announced her candidacy the CSEA rag ran a multi-page article putting her up as the greatest thing since welfare.

They are currently negotiating our new state contract, I'll be lucky to get a 2% raise. They called me a few weeks ago and I was nice enough to talk to them; I wanted to complain to them about their political endorsements but I'm not good at that stuff on the phone.

 

[Marine Cpl]

I am pretty much anti-union. I belong to one here in New York because I HAVE to.

I have no choice. They take the money regardless if I want to be a member or not.

I would love to see these laws changed. End this theft!

You wouldn't be making the same amount of money and or benefits if it weren't for your Union.

Try going down to Florida as a cop and see how much they get. It's a fraction of what you get paid.

When you make it optional to pay dues, the Union becomes an empty suit.

 

[MikeyCNY]

As with any union there are dues. This is peanuts compared to the benefits received. Any employee disputes with the company are setteled instantly usualy in the employee's favor. It is almost impossible to get fired as long as you are doing the job correctly. Our job description, benefits and raises are written into the contract and these can't be changed and nothing else can be forced upon us. Being in a union is almost like the employees have control of management, and in my book thats a win unless you prefer to be controlled by socialist corporate America.

You bring up good points, but that line is one of the main reasons I dislike Unions.. I've worked with several people who should have been kicked out on the street years ago. Their Union is forced to represent them in all manners, even if they don't want to. I've personally spoken to the Union Rep about one instance, and he/she said there isn't much they can do. I'm being purposely vague because I don't want to be too detailed. (Sorry)

You wouldn't be making the same amount of money and or benefits if it weren't for your Union.

Not true for every job.. for my job, yes I do okay compared to similar jobs on the outside, but others don't. Nurses and Pharmacists, for example, make much less in the State; that's why there's a huge Nursing shortage going on. The other benefits (time off, insurance) somewhat help, but for Pharmacists especially the pay is about 20% less than retail or hospital. (of course if you look at the hours worked - no nights, weekends, holidays... it's much better)

 

[GOPerfect]

You wouldn't be making the same amount of money and or benefits if it weren't for your Union.

Try going down to Florida as a cop and see how much they get. It's a fraction of what you get paid.

When you make it optional to pay dues, the Union becomes an empty suit.

Not the point. My point is simple; do not force me to be part of a Union. If I chose to be part of one, fine. If not, my choice!

 

[Marine Cpl]

Not the point. My point is simple; do not force me to be part of a Union. If I chose to be part of one, fine. If not, my choice!

It was also your choice to not accept employment in a union job but you wanted the benefits and pay that the Union previously negotiated.

 

[GOPerfect]

It was also your choice to not accept employment in a union job.

That is an insane rebut, so, do you find it to be alright that the State of New York and others force employees to join a private organization?

I should choose not to take on a dream job because the State is owned by a Union?

Again, for the record, are you a supporter of State mandated membership in a private organization?

 

[Cooolone]

I'm all for Freedom of choice then, you want union benefits, you pay for them, you chose to not pay for union activities, then you don't get the benefits, salary or retirement benefits the union members do. You are also not entitled to union representation in disciplinary actions including and up to termination. You want to go lone wolf, go ahead... Just don't expect to be half in and reap full benefits. That's bullshit! As for being forced? Their is no such thing, you find out the job requires you to join a union and you disagree, then move On, refuse the job and find one to your liking, NY State is "At Will" hiring, meaning for any reason you can be hired, or fired, nothing owed on either side... Unless of course you belong to a union and have a collective bargaining agreement, ie, contract speeding out terms. Now as an independant, you can negotiate your own contract, but just try negotiating the terms that can be obtained with the weight of your entire unit bargaining together.

And yeah, LE in Fla., don't get paid jack shit. Many moonlight to bump their pay...

 

[Marine Cpl]

That is an insane rebut, so, do you find it to be alright that the State of New York and others force employees to join a private organization?

I should choose not to take on a dream job because the State is owned by a Union?

Again, for the record, are you a supporter of State mandated membership in a private organization?

Then there should there be 2 rates of pay. One negotiated by the Union and one mandated by the employer to those that aren't members of the Union.

I would have to say yes to your question only because I still have the choice of not joining the Union by not taking the employment.

 

[4excal]

Well, I saw first hand this year what I always knew with the BS political scam,demoract needing,mafia acting unions do. I've watched them bully and scary threaten my sister and brother in law because their bid for Ivanka Trumps apartment was proper and honest, while the union was 10's of thousands upon thousands more..disgusting BS, we got the job, thankfully because Trump is smart and knows this Union shit is just a scam nowadays..ain't the honest 1930 Union, it's a political,piggybank now. Then I saw when I went for that job down in NYC at Union HQ, it was a bunch of stragglers off the street and the mob dudes up in their high throwns in the room looking down upon everyone, 1st questions were "who had brought a 500$ money order with the payee blank", not "who has experience" fucking joke! Then I saw we were told to "have" to donate money and vote Clinton.(yea yea I know,once behind the curtain you vote for who ever you want) but still all they want is their Democrat agenda. And yes, I grew up around it, my father was a union delegate, and always was anti union, just walked the fine line. So with that being said, every single thing the union stands fo now is against every single fiber of my being as a good honest human. Understandable that back in the 1900s yea they helped people, now that they are what they are, a greedy corporation they only help themselves..and yea the desperate stragglers who really can't look for a job and go there fill out paper,pay dues and "I'm in the union!" Bah.

 

[GOPerfect]

Then there should there be 2 rates of pay. One negotiated by the Union and one mandated by the employer to those that aren't members of the Union.

I would have to say yes to your question only because I still have the choice of not joining the Union by not taking the employment.

Wow...

 

[Marine Cpl]

Wow...

It sounds crazy to you but you cannot accept goods you will not pay for.

The job is the way it is because of the Union.

 

[GOPerfect]

So what other State mandated programs do you support?

State mandated heath care? If you don't buy it, should you be forced to pay a fine. The hell with it, the State should just allow insurance companies to take the premiums directly from your pay check.

The mentality of without Unions all jobs in the US would suck is crazy talk. Maybe in yesteryears time the Unions were a great thing, today, not so much.

 

[Marine Cpl]

So what other State mandated programs do you support?

State mandated heath care? If you don't buy it, should you be forced to pay a fine. The hell with it, the State should just allow insurance companies to take the premiums directly from your pay check.

The mentality of without Unions all jobs in the US would suck is crazy talk. Maybe in yesteryears time the Unions were a great thing, today, not so much.

Explain the wage disparity between police in right to work states vs mandatory Union membership states.

 

[GOPerfect]

Explain the wage disparity between police in right to work states vs mandatory Union membership states.

Certified Law Enforcement Deputy Sheriff (Non-Union)

• Any location within the Department of Law Enforcement-Broward County, FL
• $48,432.33 - $75,673.72 annually

COUNTY OF ERIE - DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL
Deputy Sheriff-Officer (Union)

Salary: Deputy-Sheriff Officer $42,657 -$54,658

Interesting.

My point to all this is so simple, I, unlike some on this forum, do not believe the State should be able to force me to join a Union or any other group!

 

[stuck in ny]

I'm not opposed to unions on principle. Afterall, you need some way to counteract the huge, market-cornering companies ability to arbitrarily jack prices and hence price of living. Manditory, now thats simply government gone rogue.
Realistically, I would not want to be involved with the unions because they are a funding source for leftist candidates. It seems like CSEA is one of the worse; I read one of their newsletters once and its clearly written by commies. The dues for associations like this are basically a tax for the Dem. party.

 

[Marine Cpl]

You cherry picked the results to suit you. Most Florida police departments barely break 50.

 

[MikeyCNY]

I'm not opposed to unions on principle. Afterall, you need some way to counteract the huge, market-cornering companies ability to arbitrarily jack prices and hence price of living. Manditory, now thats simply government gone rogue.
Realistically, I would not want to be involved with the unions because they are a funding source for leftist candidates. It seems like CSEA is one of the worse; I read one of their newsletters once and its clearly written by commies. The dues for associations like this are basically a tax for the Dem. party.

This is exactly how I feel... if government didn't tax the hell out of everything, have fees upon fees upon fees, maybe I wouldn't need a union calling for higher wages, which increases the need for taxes and fees etc etc... Viscous cycle.

 

[GOPerfect]

You cherry picked the results to suit you. Most Florida police departments barely break 50.

I didn't really "Cherrypick" Broward County is the only County that I know.

 

[GOPerfect]

Will, it still shocks me that you are okay with a State Government forcing workers to join a group against their will. Yeah, yeah, you always have the choice not to take the job. If that is your only reply, it is a weak argument.

 

[STS556]

You bring up good points, but that line is one of the main reasons I dislike Unions.. I've worked with several people who should have been kicked out on the street years ago. Their Union is forced to represent them in all manners, even if they don't want to. I've personally spoken to the Union Rep about one instance, and he/she said there isn't much they can do. I'm being purposely vague because I don't want to be too detailed. (Sorry))

Thats true. Union locals and deligates are no different than politicians and lawyers. You have your corrupt and you have the ones who actually want to do the right thing. Luckily my local is usually on the fine line side of right. There have been a couple of guys fired from my job in the 16 years i have been there because they did so wrong the union stepped back and told the company to do whatever they had to. And i have seen prople in other locals take so much advantage of the system its disgusting.