Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
I carry with 147 grain self defense hollow point ammo. Is it bad to train with 115 grain FMJ ammo instead of 147 grain FMJ? Would the difference noticed be worth the price increase in 147 compared to 115?
Practice Ammo Vs. Carry Ammo
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Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
After you confirm that your carry gun reliably cycles and accurately fires the carry ammo, I would guess the only concern would be training with a different perceived recoil and a likely different point of impact but the magnitude of those differences are uniquely dependant on the shooter and the specific firearm.
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
What grain is your carry ammo? Not sure if I should stick with 147 grain or go to 124 grain and have my practice ammo 124 grain also.
Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
I carry 124g and practice with 124g.
I liked the test results of Federal HST 124g in my barrel length.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
just saying .. i would advise that your practice ammo hits the target the same as carry ammo ..
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
I usually will use my loaded mags that I've been carrying a while as my first used at the range. Then I'll use fmj for the remainder of my visit. Then reload my mags as I leave with my carry load-out.
Usually, I will load (carry) flat nose fmj and alternate hp rounds. Usually all Underwood Ammo as they really like to keep at saami spec. Especially for my .357Sig rounds @ 1500fps, whereas typical commercial rounds dumb it down for those who don't like heavy/hot rounds. They usually are around 1300+/- fps and do NOT have the punch (ftlbs) of the full spec. One shot stop power (correctly placed of course) is the desire!
But yes, I've experimented with many rounds, loads and weights. Get a feel for what I like. But the FMJ and HP loads don't vary too much on POA/POI let alone within the 5-15yrds I usually train at (.357Sig). Again, I look more at full spec than just weight. Want the most ftlb effect... Anyways
Best Regards...
Carry On!
Usually, I will load (carry) flat nose fmj and alternate hp rounds. Usually all Underwood Ammo as they really like to keep at saami spec. Especially for my .357Sig rounds @ 1500fps, whereas typical commercial rounds dumb it down for those who don't like heavy/hot rounds. They usually are around 1300+/- fps and do NOT have the punch (ftlbs) of the full spec. One shot stop power (correctly placed of course) is the desire!
But yes, I've experimented with many rounds, loads and weights. Get a feel for what I like. But the FMJ and HP loads don't vary too much on POA/POI let alone within the 5-15yrds I usually train at (.357Sig). Again, I look more at full spec than just weight. Want the most ftlb effect... Anyways
Best Regards...
Carry On!
RedBreast21
6.5 Creedmoor
For the average citizen protecting themselves or family, doesn't matter as your engagements distances will be well within 10 yards if you want to say out of jail. If your an officer, on tactical team and practicing engaging distant threats then it matters.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
10 yrds is 30 feet .. i wonder what the distance was for the guy at the Indiana Mall in the food court was .. who saved a bunch of lives in a so called gun free Zone and didn't even need a pistol permit ..
there is that 21 foot rule too .. the guy with a knife within 21 feet will get you most of the time .
just saying ..
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
spat
.700 Nitro Express
I have to think at self defense distances and situations the difference is not going to be noticeable.
Any minor change in recoil is going to be undetectable in the massive difference the adrenaline wave will bring.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
yep on the adrenaline .. i bet doc can get a free epi pen to test that lol ..
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Within 10 yards if you're protecting yourself, probably.
But protecting a loved one, or even a stranger like our recent mall hero, it could be quite a bit farther and still be completely reasonable.
Then there's the issue of non 2 legged assailants for those of us who don't live in the city.
Pretty sure I'd be justified shooting a charging mountain lion well before it got to 10 yards.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
spat
.700 Nitro Express
No, as an apex predator the mountain lion serves an important purpose in the ecosystem.are not they the same as a mall ratlol
The mall rat, not so much.
RedBreast21
6.5 Creedmoor
This is a NY gun forum not Montana or a gun friendly state like Indiana. lol Having sent well over a hundred thousand rounds on 9mm down range in over 35 years of shooting handguns, there really isn't that big of a drop between 115gr to 147gr on a b27 target to well beyond 50 yards.
Now, you or anyone in NY getting involved in a mall shooting in Westchester, Nassau, or any non gun friendly county in NY, lawyer up. You probably will not get bail either. lol
Now, you or anyone in NY getting involved in a mall shooting in Westchester, Nassau, or any non gun friendly county in NY, lawyer up. You probably will not get bail either. lol
Weird, Indiana hero took out an active shooter from 40-50 yards and isn't going to jail
Given the circumstances that's pretty impressive.
speedkills27
6.5 Creedmoor
if you run a red dot optic, the weight of your bullet is fairly important
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4WHLDRFTN
.308 Win
You cant carry in NY so
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
as reported by WRTV Indianapolis.
[Greenwood Police Chief James Ison explained to WRTV, Dicken’s first shot at the gunman was from 40-50 yards away and it appeared the very first shot hit the gunman. Dicken was able to hit the gunman with additional rounds.
Dicken was carrying a 9-MM Glock, according to Ison. He hit the shooter at 40-50 yards with a Glock 9mm.
Folks ever been to the Firing Pin in Bergen NY. Their range is 25 yards ....
The Firing Pin | Indoor Shooting Range & Gun Shop in Bergen, NY
www.thefiringpinny.com
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Part of my ammo selection process is finding a carry ammo and practice ammo that have tge same or similar POI. This is why I use 124gr, there seems to be greater POI consistency between brands and types.
RedBreast21
6.5 Creedmoor
So you think some of DA's in NY state would do the same?
Not a chance. No stand your ground stuff here.
I mean this is a NY forum thatvaddresses NY gun issues not Indiana. Using your weapon in the manner of which that great young man did isn't going to fly here.
Just look at the Bodega worker charged for defending himself with a knife.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
Facing Public Backlash Activist Manhattan DC Drops Murder Charges Against Bodega Owner Who Was Acting in Self Defense
July 19, 2022 | sundance | 19 Comments
No doubt it was only the public pressure and ridicule against this activist Manhattan District Attorney that caused him to reverse course.
The entire episode, including the ridiculous charges against Jose Alba, was fraught with racist undertones from the district attorney’s office.
Facing Public Backlash Activist Manhattan DA Drops Murder Charges Against Bodega Owner Who Was Acting in Self Defense - The Last Refuge
No doubt it was only the public pressure and ridicule against this activist Manhattan District Attorney that caused him to reverse course. Facing intense public scrutiny for his ideological efforts, Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg has dropped charges against the 61-year-old Latino bodega owner who...
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Defensive shoot is still defensive
spat
.700 Nitro Express
*some* DAs in NY would do the same.
Just like *some* DAs in IN would probably give him the Rittenhouse treatment.
It's not justice, but it's what we have to deal with
spat
.700 Nitro Express
I don't think it was racism. I think that DA would have charged the same no matter what the races were.Facing Public Backlash Activist Manhattan DC Drops Murder Charges Against Bodega Owner Who Was Acting in Self Defense
July 19, 2022 | sundance | 19 Comments
No doubt it was only the public pressure and ridicule against this activist Manhattan District Attorney that caused him to reverse course.
The entire episode, including the ridiculous charges against Jose Alba, was fraught with racist undertones from the district attorney’s office.
Facing Public Backlash Activist Manhattan DA Drops Murder Charges Against Bodega Owner Who Was Acting in Self Defense - The Last Refuge
No doubt it was only the public pressure and ridicule against this activist Manhattan District Attorney that caused him to reverse course. Facing intense public scrutiny for his ideological efforts, Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg has dropped charges against the 61-year-old Latino bodega owner who...
I think he just has a terrible disdain for people defending themselves. You see that from a lot of professionals who think a mere DIYer can't possibly achieve a satisfactory result, and they should be prohibited from even trying.
Some professions have even gotten that codified into law
RedBreast21
6.5 Creedmoor
Not in the eyes of some DA's or jury's. But you do you. Roll the dice here in NY. NY law is very clear on self defense. Some here need to read it. lol
Yea Article 35 is VERY VERY clear on use of deadly force and when you can use it.... if this happened in NY this dude would be 99% in the same situation he is currently