Opinion When your opponent calls you ‘communist,’ maybe don’t propose price controls?

[livingston]

Opinion

When your opponent calls you ‘communist,’ maybe don’t propose price controls?​

It’s hard to exaggerate how bad Kamala Harris’s price-gouging proposal is.
“Price gouging” is the focus of Vice President Kamala Harris’s economic agenda, her presidential campaign says. She’ll crack down on “excessive prices” and “excessive corporate profits,” particularly for groceries.

So what level counts as “excessive,” you might ask? TBD, but Harris will ban it.

The most likely template for Harris’s proposal is a recent bill from Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.). (Harris co-sponsored similar legislation with Warren in 2020, when Harris was a senator.) Warren’s bill would ban any “grossly excessive price” during any “atypical disruption” of a market. Alas, no definition was provided for these terms, either; rather, the bill would empower the Federal Trade Commission to enforce bans using any metric it deems appropriate.

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[Willyone]

Harris is a total nitwit. And watching her running mate Waltz on TV, he reminds me of a carnival barker. The gruesome twosome. It's hard to imagine that ignorant bitch is actually running for president. Worse yet that there are enough stupid people in this country who will vote for her.

 

[Saltwater60]

This resonates with her crowd very well and this narrative has been pushed the entire time and I still hear it from average everyday citizens. If her followers were smart maybe they would know how economics works but they don’t. Trump isn’t disciplined enough to take a step back and say the smart things so he will simply insult her leading people to believe he doesn’t have a plan and she does. The guy just doesn’t learn.
As for this topic yes we see it as an issue but most voters don’t have a clue and see her saying I’ll pass legislation that will make this illegal so that’s great and a quick solution so why not.

 

[DoOver]

 

[DoOver]

 

[ManualF150]

As a business owner no way am I letting the government tell me what to sell my products and services for. Fuck them.

Here's what Communist pricing looks like... Let's use a Soviet Portable TV as an example, marked at 175 rubles right on the TV chassis itself per Communist Law:

 

[Mosinitis]

They are tapping into what is a common gripe today. We all bitch about rising prices and costs. Doesn't mean she is going to do anything about it, but to dismiss it as communist is idiotic. Few old farts who see a communist scare behind every tree is a small fraction of the voting public.

 

[Deplorable Me]

We need ammo price control.

 

[fresch]

They got the prices high and now will control the price.
Same same, just a different day.
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[Zerex]

The University/College......... Hamas supporting professorial slime at the Major Universities and colleges are jumping with joy over a homosexual run government, full of sodomites trying to enforce price and wage controls, green revolution and get the guns...............even as the Military is purghed of fighting men in favor of trans............

Fully 30% of America is communist and another 30% just rotten criminals.............

A New Republic may be in the offing in the next couple of years..Red States quarantining the blue cities, by blocking Interstates................with the potential/likely help of the military that like the 7 days in May book/movie...............acts in favor of the new Republic, by bombing the bridges.

Food for thought..................Life imitating Art.............. and terror in the minds of the devil worshipping sodomites and criminals.

 

[Mosinitis]

Yes we do bitch about the cost, but most here have a basic understanding of the dynamics that drive those costs. The end cost of a product cannot be separated from the economy in which it was created and simply assumed to be "price gouging" when it becomes burdensome.

The factors driving the price must be addressed. Running a business with increased regulatory costs within an economy that funds foreign wars with a devalued fiat money supply and a poor energy policy is not a good recipe for prosperity. Fixing the end price does not address all those factors that drove the price in the first place and imposes a greater burden upon business to bring products to market and then ultimately fail adding increased unemployment to the mix.

Gold has been breaking records one after another and just hit a record high yesterday of $2,538, that really is not a sign that our economy is doing well.

You assume maybe she isn't going to do anything about it, but she stated her approach. Your assumption has no merit and only exists to deflect the communism comparison.

At the very least her proposal is the result of one who lacks understanding or a veiled assault upon capitalism.

In your tacit defense of communism it kind of sounds like you side with her.

Comrade Kamala '24

Pretending that price fixing and price gouging by corporations doesn't exist is stupid. They are the worst offenders, they also have more influence with all three branches of government.

Hollow ideological drivel doesn't win elections. Trump's thunder is a declining standard of living after he left office. Why let dems steal his thunder.

She and her handlers are addressing a common concern. Instead of pointing out how Biden/Harris administration contributed to this problem, people recycle the worn out red smear, which will not resonate with most voters.

 

[thughes]

They can run on "We'll eliminate price gouging" all they want. The current price of food and durable goods is due to the energy costs associated with producing and transporting said food and goods, the costs associated with the current regulatory environment, and mandatory high minimum wages. At the end of the day they can then simply shrug and say "We looked in to it and determined that it's not price gouging".

 

[Willyone]

Harris hasn't and isn't coming up with anything on her own. She's reading what her bosses and handlers have put on the teleprompter, or saying what she's been told to say. She's a total phony, a trojan horse just like Biden was and is. 'nuther off topic thing... the supposed debate/debates with Trump. I find it hard to believe that she will debate Trump. No doubt she's stupid. But is she stupid to the point that she'll actually show up and debate The Donald?? My guess is her handlers will figure out a way to avoid any debate with Trump, but we shall see....

 

[Mosinitis]

So then you agree with kamala and her fixers that inflated costs MUST BE due to price gouging and nothing else and by extension you have no problem with our energy policy, the endless printing of fiat money or us funding Ukraine. I mean you did ignore all those points.

I don't care what you label it, it is not good policy whether it is acted upon or not. The only point I really have here about communism is just how far you will go to defend it. I even left room to say that maybe she doesn't understand economics.

How is pointing out the folly of this policy allowing dems to steal Trump's thunder?

When you say they are "addressing" the concern you mean that they are taking the proper action to fix it? So you agree with kamala...correct?

Sorry to burst your bubble, but people simply don't see corporations as innocent victims of communists. That's not the reality of today.
I agree with you on Ukraine, but that's defense contractors, Black Rock and other corporations feeding off of it.

 

[Mosinitis]

Believe me I have no love of corporations or corporatism. That is the same kind of homogenization in the name of equity we see in certain forms of government.

So how might price fixing, especially when it comes to foodstuff impact farmers? Good or bad?

Where exactly in the line of production do these fixed prices get applied? To those big corporations you say have too much influence (which I agree)?

Harris is full of shit, I don't dispute that, but her strategy of addressing real problems resonates better with the voters than blame the imaginary communists routine. I am not defending her or her solution. Just pointing out better strategy of her campaign.

 

[DoOver]

Harris is full of shit, I don't dispute that, but her strategy of addressing real problems resonates better with the voters than blame the imaginary communists routine. I am not defending her or her solution. Just pointing out better strategy of her campaign.

Ain't nobody got time fo that schighdt!

 

[Saltwater60]

They can run on "We'll eliminate price gouging" all they want. The current price of food and durable goods is due to the energy costs associated with producing and transporting said food and goods, the costs associated with the current regulatory environment, and mandatory high minimum wages. At the end of the day they can then simply shrug and say "We looked in to it and determined that it's not price gouging".

But democrats don’t know this and they have been told and bought into this is price gouging.
The question to ask is why haven’t they acted on this previously if they knew this has been going on for years. Why now that inflation is getting close to normal.

 

[Mosinitis]

^That took a while. But in all it sounds more "I can neither confirm nor deny" double speak.

I still don't understand how it is that you say she's full of shit but you think she's "addressing real problems".

Taking an incorrect action is not "addressing real problems". It is prostrating herself upon the altar of populism.

I don't think anyone is blaming imaginary communists per se, but pointing out that it is an aspect of communism.

You read Russian right? Is what ManualF150 posted correct? Is that not the price stamped into the plastic? Seems like the epitome of a fixed price to me.
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So doing something with a short term appeal and long term damage...wouldn't that fit the spirit of the definition of populism? But you think it is a good strategy and we are wrong to point it out and especially wrong to associate it with communism. Got it.

And what term fits the definition of one that ignores and deflects the points put to them?

Her promises are empty, but the topic is politically popular. She is not taking any action. She is just running her mouth like most politicians, but she can fool more people then overused Communist scare with Chinese economic success in the background.

 

[Mosinitis]

And you know this how?

Do you hold the same position when she talks about gun control like mandatory buybacks?

How about banning fracking?

Roe v Wade?

Transgenderism?

Packing the SCOTUS?

All just talk?

Do you pick and choose what you think they will do all on the backdrop of your love of communism? How can one not consider you by ideological association to be a leftist? Just because you like guns? Is that it? I know many left leaning gun owners.

It's fine if you are, but you seem to portray yourself as not that, yet you work so hard to avoid the parallels of leftism to communism or any criticism of it, that's the impression I get.

But now with your last sentence it sounds like you're saying Russian communism good, Chinese communism bad.

Can't have an honest productive conversation with you. You don't reply to the points or topics rendered. You don't answer questions to support your position. You just deflect and steer the conversation where you want it to go. IMO you are an intellectually dishonest person.

Falling standard of living will be the main issue in the upcoming elections for the majority of voters, communist takeover will not.
Which part of it you disagree with?

 

[Mosinitis]

So you pose a question without answering any of mine.

Like I said, dishonest.

I make a strong point that you can't refute throughout this whole exchange. I will not take your bait to go off on a tangent. My point still stands.

 

[Mosinitis]

If that's the metric then all of my past points stand.

Your point is a false equivalent.

These things are not mutually exclusive. Just because the greater issue will be the standard of living does not de-legitimize how bad this policy is by pointing out that it is communist in nature, unless of course you are a dyed in the wool communist and your reluctance to say it is bad indicates that's just what you are.

Even the leftist media is pushing back...you are to the left of the leftists on this.

But seriously, I chose not to reply because IMO you are dishonest communist troll shit weasel.

And I won't reply again, so go ahead make some stupid point so you can claim you "won". What are you like 14? Get it out of your system, get the last word. Maybe blimey will like it.

Good luck with your communist witch hunt, jackass. If Trump loses this one, It's on idiots like you.

 

[spat]

They are tapping into what is a common gripe today. We all bitch about rising prices and costs. Doesn't mean she is going to do anything about it, but to dismiss it as communist is idiotic. Few old farts who see a communist scare behind every tree is a small fraction of the voting public.

Price fixing is a hallmark of communism.

It is both necessary for real world communism to exist, and also the reason that communist economies always collapse.

So, calling price fixing "communist" is not really a stretch.

 

[Mosinitis]

Price fixing is a hallmark of communism.

It is both necessary for real world communism to exist, and also the reason that communist economies always collapse.

So, calling price fixing "communist" is not really a stretch.

Government setting a price for the property it owns is not the same as government setting a price for the property it doesn't own. There is a difference. She is not being a communist, she is actually worse.
However it wasn't my point.

 

[spat]

Government setting a price for the property it owns is not the same as government setting a price for the property it doesn't own. There is a difference. She is not being a communist, she is actually worse.
However it wasn't my point.

You can only ever set a price for products you own.

Price fixing is the government claiming effective ownership of that product.

Although, technically you're right.

The main difference between facism and communism is that in facism the government let's corporations pretend they own things.

But, in reality, when the government sets the prices and controls all the operations of the corporations via regulation, they are effectively owners whether they admit it or not.

 

[DoOver]

 

[livingston]

 

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[Saltwater60]

If she wins I fear there is no turning back. If she wins I’ve basically told myself that I need to stop caring about this country and simply watch out for myself, my friends, and my family. I can’t save the country from these people. The downward slide will accelerate and more and more government control will be had with more and more of my money stolen and given to those who want it, not need it.

 

[Mosinitis]

This worked so well against Obama that it needs to be recycled.