The LE that makes the stop gets to make the call. After your lawyer and much dollars you may win. So if you are legal why wouldn't you do whats written and inform the LE?
Hypothetical questions if HR 38 passes
- Thread starter Nanook145
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Hahahhaa ok Mr. Generation of fuck the country up. I see yall did so great with Gov. Pataki, oh wait he was the one who was cool with NY having a modified assault weapons ban when the 1994 Clinton ban sunset. I have a weird feeling I know who you voted for and helped get elected to N.Y. gov.
Leo's already go into every stop expecting the person to be armed. If I'm getting pulled over for a head light being out or a fishing for dwi why would I want to introduce even more stress to the situation by yelling I have a gun (exaggrating because some of yall would think I actually mean yell)
Hell do you all carry a pocket knife? If so and you get pulled over for say a tail light being out do you tell the officer you have a knife on you?
Whatever. My only point was to point out the info in the handbook. Everyone makes a choice based on what they know as fact.
Nanook145
.40 S&W
There is no duty to inform in the entire state of NY and that is a fact. There is also nothing that counties can do to try and force people into exposing themselves for carrying weapons. LE most certainly do not make the call here. Do not take everything that your county's "handbook" says verbatim. Much of is not law and is cryptically worded to make you think that it is. All a game to try and keep you under as much control as possible.
I agree that the State makes the law but the County puts the restrictions. If your covered by that County then you make the call anyway you want.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
You are misinformed. A cop can only charge you via a crime committed from the penal law.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Not according to what's in this particular bill. Unless there is another bill floating around.
I hear you. I'm curious how a Nassau LE would handle this if he asks you to step out of the vehicle and discovers you are carrying?
So it sounds like the house is going to vote tomorrow (12-5-17). So just in time to end the session and then more waiting into 2018
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
It basically goes like this.
Scenario 1.
You are speeding or blow a stop sign. He pulls you over and asks you for your license and registration. You comply just like any other person. You get your ticket or warning just like the soccer mom before you or the older guy after you with the realtree jacket that has a permit but wasn't carrying and didn't inform.
Scenario 2.
An Officer approaches your vehicle and for whatever reason whether immediately or after asking you for your license and registration and taking it, he suspects you of a crime. He says, " Sir! I'm going to need you to step out of the vehicle."
You say, "Sir. I am a licensed concealed carrier. I am required by law to inform you that I'm carrying. How would you like me to proceed?"
You are only going to be asked to step out of the vehicle if he suspects you of a crime. If he suspects you of a crime, you'll be searched after stepping out of the vehicle.
If all he wants to do is run your license and issue a ticket or warning, you aren't suspected of a crime and will not be asked to step out of the vehicle for a search or detainment.
It's really that simple.
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This this right here.
Instead if a blow a stop sign and all they ask is for normal shit papers. And people all have to be like hey so I got a gun wud up. Then try to justify it as "oh I'm being respectful to the officer by telling them even though I don't need to"
There is no need to if it's a normal stop, keep your hands where they belong and be normal it's easy.
Once the words I have a gun are said 1 of 2 things are going to happen
1 the cop will say I don't care (has happened to me, I had my reasons for informing them, it was out in the open and they would have saw it)
Or
2 now the cop is extra alert and threat focus and any move you make could be misconstrued and force escalates. Or the cop is going to be extra cop like and decide for some reason the smartest thing to do is they want to personally take your gun off of you. Sorry that doesn' sound fun or safe
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Yup. There are 3 types of cops. One who doesn't care that you are carrying. Another that is afraid of you because you are carrying and another that doesn't like that you are carrying and is going to make your life harder by disarming you for quote unquote "His safety!" while making your life difficult and or in jeopardy if you make a wrong move.
Why introduce that factor into a car stop where all he wants to do is issue a ticket? Now you are putting your life in danger if you run into the last two types of cops.
Just comply with his commands of producing the license and registration. If he asks you if you are carrying which by case law he isn't supposed ask you, be honest. If he doesn't ask you just do what he tells you. If he tells you to step out of the vehicle, inform him.
Yup but when you don't comply then the judge pulls your permit. Good luck getting it back.
Different Drummer
.44 mag
This is another arbitrary and subjective administrative requirement that the issuing officer adds to your pistol License. Just like the hunting and target administrative restrictions that so many Bozo licensing officers apply. In Celt's post #138 the guy referred to had the same thing happen. Speeding and non moving traffic violations. The issuing officer apparently took it upon themselves to use those as reasons to deny the License. Purely subjective on their part. So very often those who suggest that people with administrative restrictions should just ignore them because the issuing officer can revoke your license at any time for any reason they conjure up anyway. There is no difference in regards to this discussion.
As Airborneguy said. We need this bill to pass for more reasons than what we see on the surface.
Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
and you just made my point as to why nothing will change in New Yorkistan. Pataki modified the AW ban, then Spitzer continued the bullshit, Then Paterson and now we're stuck with your buddy Cuomo.
and the other thing that makes my point and why this state and country are so divided is because people like you keep making ignorant accusations. So you keep up the good work getting the state straightened out. You're doing a great job, Brovo. Let me know when you have a plan to get the Safe Act repealed. Seriously, I'd love to hear it
Celt
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Because it's none of their business. And you can't be arrested for it, although the licensing officer could decide to revoke your permit if you are found to have a firearm and you did not inform the officer.
Celt
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Fair point, in good on you for pointing out what's in the Handbook. But you don't want people to be confused and assume that it is law because there is a big difference.
Yea he modified a ban that ended, ie he was like sure let's start that back up but for our state
Oh I'll let you know
Speaking of all that what have you done in your 45 years of voter eligibility to get ride of the Sullivan Act. Let me guess it didn't really affect you so not an issue,
What have you done to get ride of New York's ban on NFA items, oh I bet you don't care about that stuff so it doesn't affect you.
Pataki passed the New York modified aw ban, and since he gave you a little bread and called it cake (sure you can have a few things and even some preban stuff) you ate it up, or have you been ponding bricks to get that repealed or did it not affect you?
Safe act happened and now something affects you time to be grumpy and take a break from ruining the economy and housing markets and get on to this
Looks like they are starting the hearing on it today at 2pm
Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
is that your "shtick" ~~~you just make assumptions about people you know nothing about?
Thats all I need to know about you. You have a nice day behind enemy lines
Nanook145
.40 S&W
I truly wish they would spend more time (or any time for that matter) talking about this bill on the media instead of obsessing over some Russia collusion rumor or special investigation into one of Trump's staff that no one gives a crap about.
nortatoga
.338 Win Mag
Meh I could care less about making assumptions about you, you told me all I need to know, you don't care if it doesn't affect you directly..
You voted for Hillary for NY Senator didn't you
Celt
.450/400 Nitro Ex
At this point, I don't know that talking about it in the media would actually help us. Anybody that really cares is paying attention, it would be better for us, in my opinion, if the left and the sheep did not know much about this. They are not gonna be convinced that law abiding citizens carrying guns is a good idea.
Read previous post that had an article with a bunch of misinformation, that' the last thing we need being blasted all over the news prior to a vote. Especially something that is already most certainly going to fail at the Senate, no need to stack the deck even more
HighlandLofts
6.5 Creedmoor
If every one of you guys would call your senator it might swings things for us. Take a few minutes and call.
