.224 Valkyrie vs 6.5 Grendel vs 6.5 Creedmoor

[Podmonkey]

Say you were building a long range, high precision "PSG-1 eat your heart out" AR pattern rifle, what caliber would you choose?
Weight and cost is no object, but use of standardized parts are I.E. AR15 or AR10 actions only, no .338 Lapua action shenanigans nor any wildcats. Purpose would be target shooting.

 

[dsdmmat]

Depends upon what platform you are going to use.

Small or large

Small I have a 224 Valkyrie I like it
Large I have a 6.5 Creedmoor I also like it

Of the 3 you listed; If you are not going to reload get the Creedmoor.

Never played with the 6.5 Grendel but it won’t do for you what the Creedmoor will.

 

[Podmonkey]

Depends upon what platform you are going to use.

Small or large

Small I have a 224 Valkyrie I like it
Large I have a 6.5 Creedmoor I also like it

Of the 3 you listed; If you are not going to reload get the Creedmoor.

Never played with the 6.5 Grendel but it won’t do for you what the Creedmoor will.

Say the choice between large and small frame is not important, you would go with 6.5 Creed then?

 

[dsdmmat]

Say the choice between large and small frame is not important, you would go with 6.5 Creed then?

If you do not plan on reloading, yes. If you are going to reload It is a wash (224 Valkyrie/ 6.5 Creedmoor).

 

[Podmonkey]

If you do not plan on reloading, yes. If you are going to reload It is a wash (224 Valkyrie/ 6.5 Creedmoor).

Probably not. Not unless I suddenly am blessed with sufficient freetime. Factory 6.5 Creed is so abundant and cheap?

 

[dsdmmat]

Probably not. Not unless I suddenly am blessed with sufficient freetime. Factory 6.5 Creed is so abundant and cheap?

Yes and it has had all the quirks shaken out. The Valkyrie hasn’t got there yet. Hornady match ammo is available for both calibers but it costs the same a buck a round.

 

[Podmonkey]

Yes and it has had all the quirks shaken out. The Valkyrie hasn’t got there yet. Hornady match ammo is available for both calibers but it costs the same a buck a round.

It's funny, I have another AR build bug right now, wanna do an ultra lightweight 5.56 build and a heavy target build. I was thinking the target build would be the more expensive one but after pricing out components the lightweight one is the more costly. Been looking at these exotic alloy receiver sets, one is a 7095 alloy set at over $600 and the other is a 2055 lithium alloy set at over $700! A regular old forged 7075 set would do just fine for the target build. Really the only especially expensive component of the target build is the barrel.

 

[dsdmmat]

It's funny, I have another AR build bug right now, wanna do an ultra lightweight 5.56 build and a heavy target build. I was thinking the target build would be the more expensive one but after pricing out components the lightweight one is the more costly. Been looking at these exotic alloy receiver sets, one is a 7095 alloy set at over $600 and the other is a 2055 lithium alloy set at over $700! A regular old forged 7075 set would do just fine for the target build. Really the only especially expensive component of the target build is the barrel.

I have too many projects in the works. What I really need to do is just put the brakes on and load bullets for what I have.

 

[Podmonkey]

I have too many projects in the works. What I really need to do is just put the brakes on and load bullets for what I have.

What I ought to be doing is expanding my pistol collection.

 

[dsdmmat]

What I ought to be doing is expanding my pistol collection.

I got another 1911 build in the lineup. I am going to do this one in 22lr or 22 mag.

 

[Bustedknees]

I know the 6.5 is the trendy round lately ,, and the Valkyrie sounds as cool as Capt. James T Kirk,,, but last I knew my old 25-06 was just as good or better..

 

[Podmonkey]

I know the 6.5 is the trendy round lately ,, and the Valkyrie sounds as cool as Capt. James T Kirk,,, but last I knew my old 25-06 was just as good or better..

Ah but that wouldn't fit in an AR10 action.

 

[ManrisFrack]

Creedmore wins hands down. Trajectory wise, the Valkyrie is a surprisingly close second but has failed to build a reputation for consistency across shooters and guns - especially with factory ammo. A Grendel is still good if you want a target AR-15 that will only ever see factory ammo - outside that niche set of circumstances it isn't the best at anything.

 

[Bustedknees]

Ah but that wouldn't fit in an AR10 action.

I guess I didn't read that part

 

[Marine Cpl]

You can also just load 90 gr bullets like @dsdmmat does and save the cash.

This guy is shooting 80 grainers at almost 2000 yards below.

 

[Acer-m14]

not sure if it will fit in for this, but from what i see 308 bench rest shooters .. and might be something to look into ..

how about a light weight AR in 308 ? ..


Ever pick up a rifle and say “Wow, this is light!” When you pick up the Patriot Ordnance Factory #revolution you say, “Wow, this is a .308?!” #tastetest

 

[Marine Cpl]

not sure if it will fit in for this, but from what i see 308 bench rest shooters .. and might be something to look into ..

how about a light weight AR in 308 ? ..


Ever pick up a rifle and say “Wow, this is light!” When you pick up the Patriot Ordnance Factory #revolution you say, “Wow, this is a .308?!” #tastetest

14.5 inch barrel. @meketrefe wouldn't approve.

 

[Vapor]

But muh new 6mm wonderz catrigez!


I bought a .308 chassis rifle. Why? Ammo price and availability. Gold metal match is like $21 or leas for .308. Match ammo in general is cheap and plentiful.

Than being said, I have another bolt gun in creedmoor. I love it. Just the right amount of recoil and power. That is where my vote for "ultimate" scenarios lies.

I will still get a .308 ar10 once I leave this commie hell.

 

[Marine Cpl]

I would never buy anything but .223 or .308. That's just me. My mind is SHTF orientated.

 

[Acer-m14]

14.5 inch barrel. @meketrefe wouldn't approve.

is that because FUAC's gun is short or something else LOL ..

 

[Vapor]

I would never buy anything but .223 or .308. That's just me. My mind is SHTF orientated.

9mm
5.56
X39
.308

Everything thing else is a toy.

 

[Acer-m14]

9mm
5.56
X39
.308

Everything thing else is a toy.

i don't think my 7.62x54r is a toy .. if only in a AR platform .. lol ..

 

[Podmonkey]

not sure if it will fit in for this, but from what i see 308 bench rest shooters .. and might be something to look into ..

how about a light weight AR in 308 ? ..

Ever pick up a rifle and say “Wow, this is light!” When you pick up the Patriot Ordnance Factory #revolution you say, “Wow, this is a .308?!” #tastetest

Oh .308 is of course on the table. It just fit the conceit (In my use) of a 1,000 yard rifle as well as the 6.5 Creed.
For a lightweight build I'd stick with .223

I would never buy anything but .223 or .308. That's just me. My mind is SHTF orientated.

Neither of the fantasized builds would be for SHTF. I have SHTF rifles amply covered already.

 

[Vapor]

i don't think my 7.62x54r is a toy .. if only in a AR platform .. lol ..

Not a toy in the sense of power.

You have a work truck. You have your toy sports car.

One you have lots of spare parts for. If it goes down, you can't make a living.

Another you take out on the weekend. If it breaks down, no sweat. It can sit in the garage for 6 months.

They made veprs in 54r. I once had a vepr in the good days...

 

[Acer-m14]

@Podmonkey .. from all i watch and learn, for long range AR.. i have seen none of yet .. oh i would like to see them
.. but was is long range for a AR your asking for ?? 200 , 300, 600 ??

buying Factory ammo for it is another glitch .. Lot to Lot .. you have the dope on one Lot then get a different batch ??

 

[Acer-m14]

Not a toy in the sense of power.

You have a work truck. You have your toy sports car.

One you have lots of spare parts for. If it goes down, you can't make a living.

Another you take out on the weekend. If it breaks down, no sweat. It can sit in the garage for 6 months.

They made veprs in 54r. I once had a vepr in the good days...

if you can't fix a Mosin .. you should just give up LOL ..

 

[Marine Cpl]

I often see people at the range with long range setups shooting at 100 yards exclusively. In the few ranges I've been to that have 200 yard setups, those tables are still usually empty. Sometimes they are used but most of the time, they see very few people. Any .223 or .308 can connect at that range.

Unless you have private land or live in the desert, you'll probably never see a range at 800 to 1200 yards so other than just because, what's the point?

Then there is the realistic aspect. When in a combat engagement will you ever take a long range shot like that?

A .223 is just fine out to 500 yards and a .308 is just fine out to 800 yards. If you don't have access to a 1000 yards, what the point of wildcats other than having money to burn just because for a hobby?

And if you don't have the time to reload those wildcats, what's the point of having a semi-wildcat like a Grendal or Creedmore that you can buy but costs more than standard calibers when they aren't going to do anything better at 100 to 200 yards.

 

[Vapor]

if you can't fix a Mosin .. you should just give up LOL ..

i had 3 of them. They were like more like a model T. A relic from another time haha

 

[Podmonkey]

This is all hypothetical fun talk people, whether or not I actually need it is irrelevant.
@Acer-m14, in this case, long range is 1,000 meters.

And another hypothetical: If limited to a 20" barrel is .308 the better round to use?

 

[dsdmmat]

This is all hypothetical fun talk people, whether or not I actually need it is irrelevant.
@Acer-m14, in this case, long range is 1,000 meters.

And another hypothetical: If limited to a 20" barrel is .308 the better round to use?

No necessarily the Creedmoor and the Valkyrie will still perform well out of a 20 inch barrel they just won’t stay supersonic as long as they would out of a longer barrel. They will still stay supersonic farther than the typical bullet fired from a 308.

It is all about the ballistic coefficient of the bullets fired. The Bette the BC the less velocity shed.