Multiple rioters shot in Kenosha by armed citizens.

[holdover]

I read that he ran over to the police lines but they told him to go away, thats when the pursuit started. Unverified at this point.

 

[Chevusa]

Hearing chatter he was 17, and crossed state lines. Possible he could not legally carry that gun in the first place. Crossing state lines to participate in this could be a federal enhancement. Hard to deny motive when traveling there with a gun.

Maybe not.... Details keep coming. Doesn’t seem like he was up to no good to me....

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

In a few recent threads, a few members have opined or discussed how close we are getting to shootouts and gun fights.


I think this thread has shown that the threshold has been crossed

 

[Chevusa]

In this video you see him allegedly call the cops to report he has just shot somebody. He is in the green shirt with the rifle.

My concern is how is he going to justify defending a building that had already been burned out the night before? We don’t know the laws there and what is justified. It sure wouldn’t be justified here. Looks like he shot the guy in the parking lot. That’s not going to fly unless you can show a deadly threat. Not sure if a 17 year old can possess a gun there anyway.

 

[holdover]

Right We dont have the facts yet. I dont know if the killing of the man in the parking was justified or not.

 

[Chevusa]

Seems more and more like he was justified. Here’s what happened leading to the first shooting. The only unknown is if it was legal for him to carry the gun. If so this shows he was justified.

 

[Robin]

My question was based on the one tape, not all the unverified minutia.
Robin

 

[dsdmmat]

My concern is how is he going to justify defending a building that had already been burned out the night before? We don’t know the laws there and what is justified. It sure wouldn’t be justified here. Looks like he shot the guy in the parking lot. That’s not going to fly unless you can show a deadly threat. Not sure if a 17 year old can possess a gun there anyway.

Wisconsin Legislature: 948.55

docs.legis.wisconsin.gov

 

[holdover]

My question was based on the one tape, not all the unverified minutia.
Robin

Its all one incident from different angles. if you only view the video where he shot the men in the street its a clean cut case of self defense.

 

[dsdmmat]

Its all one incident from different angles. if you only view the video where he shot the men in the street its a clean cut case of self defense.

Well it looks like the first guy he shot threw something that was on fire at him.

 

[holdover]

Somebody chasing him with a Molotov.

 

[dsdmmat]

Somebody chasing him with a Molotov.

Yeah I would say I probably would have been slightly upset with the asshole who threw a MC at me.

 

[tirwin1]

Let me see if I understand the democratic governor's logic. 2 nights of looting and arson - no federal response needed. Once residents start shooting the rioters and looters, then it's time to bring in the full strength of the federal government.

I guess if we want riots to end then people have to start shooting rioters and looters in order for the authorities to get involved. I don't think that is necessarily the message they want to send.

 

[Blimey]

I've met @GOPerfect (he's also smart, reads a lot too, he hooked me up with a book series) I would not mess with him. I'm not a huge guy by any means I'm rather ordinary and average. But definitely would not pick a fight with him. Glad he's on our team.

You forgot something not well known about GoPerfect...he's big on hugs.

 

[Defilade]

Looks like Firewatch duty will be a favorite hobby now.

 

[Blimey]

Somebody chasing him with a Molotov.

And unless he had done some to legitimately coax that respond, a molotov is clearly a deadly weapon, so running away is something he tried. If he had to shoot, then it was justified from the getgo.

Thereafter, his attempt to continue to flee was stymied by the same crowd that originally attacked with deadly force and he was again justified in shooting, particularly since one person chasing him (arm-hole guy) was armed. And he was hit with a skateboard.

Whether the gun was legal or not is another matter. This is all predicated on the first shooting. If it was justified, then the next two were as well. As for the guy with his hands up watch the video. This all takes place in the dark in less than a second as he spins around before shooting arm-hole guy.

 

[Blimey]

Kyle Rittenhouse, 17, was arrested today on first-degree murder charges after he shot three protesters — two of whom have died — in Kenosha, WI., on Tuesday night, The New York Times and USA Today reported.

I dont think he bought that AR legally.

Unless first degree has a different definition there than here, uh, no.

 

[holdover]

Unless first degree has a different definition there than here, uh, no.

I didnt write it.

 

[Blimey]

I didnt write it.

I know My uh no was in response to these charges. Seem a bit "hasty".

 

[Blimey]

17-year-old arrested in shooting death of 2 at Kenosha protest

Kyle Rittenhouse, of Antioch, Illinois, was taken into custody in Illinois on suspicion of first-degree intentional homicide. Antioch is about 15 miles from Kenosha.

www.cnbc.com

Commander Norman Johnson of the Antioch Police Department said the suspect — a young man whose name was not released because he is under 18

...

Kyle Rittenhouse, of Antioch, Illinois, was taken into custody

Um.

 

[holdover]

And unless he had done some to legitimately coax that respond, a molotov is clearly a deadly weapon, so running away is something he tried. If he had to shoot, then it was justified from the getgo.

Thereafter, his attempt to continue to flee was stymied by the same crowd that originally attacked with deadly force and he was again justified in shooting, particularly since one person chasing him (arm-hole guy) was armed. And he was hit with a skateboard.

Whether the gun was legal or not is another matter. This is all predicated on the first shooting. If it was justified, then the next two were as well. As for the guy with his hands up watch the video. This all takes place in the dark in less than a second as he spins around before shooting arm-hole guy.

""And unless he had done some to legitimately coax that respond, a molotov is clearly a deadly weapon, so running away is something he tried. If he had to shoot, then it was justified from the getgo.""

That is not clear yet, running away from a crowd throwing Molotov's is obviously self defense. If the man who was killed was running at him , than I say yes your correct. He's fleeing an angry mob . Im just not sure what took place that caused him to shoot the first man. From the video it looks like the man was running perpendicular to his position not at him. Im just saying I dont know for sure what caused him to shoot the first man . theres no other video yet.

If the first shooting is justified the the rest were as well like you said. If it was not, then the others were not either.

 

[Blimey]

""And unless he had done some to legitimately coax that respond, a molotov is clearly a deadly weapon, so running away is something he tried. If he had to shoot, then it was justified from the getgo.""

That is not clear yet, running away from a crowd throwing Molotov's is obviously self defense. If the man who was killed was running at him , than I say yes your correct. He's fleeing an angry mob . Im just not sure what took place that caused him to shoot the first man. From the video it looks like the man was running perpendicular to his position not at him. Im just saying I dont know for sure what caused him to shoot the first man . theres no other video yet.

If the first shooting is justified the the rest were as well like you said. If it was not, then the others were not either.

The video of first shoot absolutely sucks ass. Maybe another one will come out, but the entire thing seems to hinge on that IMO.

 

[holdover]

Yeah I would say I probably would have been slightly upset with the asshole who threw a MC at me.

I dont believe that was the man he shot . WHat it does look like is that he was being encircled from different angles . But the man he shot seemed to be running across his field of fire not directly at him . But who knows? Hopefully he will get off or the charges dropped .

 

[holdover]

The video of first shoot absolutely sucks ass. Maybe another one will come out, but the entire thing seems to hinge on that IMO.

Exactly!

 

[dsdmmat]

I dont believe that was the man he shot . WHat it does look like is that he was being encircled from different angles . But the man he shot seemed to be running across his field of fire not directly at him . But who knows? Hopefully he will get off or the charges dropped .

If the man he shot was part of the group trying to hurt/kill him and he was cutting off the escape route the kid may well Have been justified. Lets hope so. 17 years old is awful young to start a lifetime behind bars.

 

[Blimey]

If the man he shot was part of the group trying to hurt/kill him and he was cutting off the escape route the kid may well Have been justified. Lets hope so. 17 years old is awful young to start a lifetime behind bars.

I do want to ask why the hell anybody would try to chase down a person who has an AR15.

I've noticed in general some lack a sense of self preservation. They act in very strange ways, oblivious to what could very likely happen to them. Just because you outnumber the guy with the rifle doesn't mean he can't kill you.

The fact that in both shooting videos he is running away from people (the guy with the red shirt was extremely aggressive in a prior video from last night, so we can safely assume he wasn't being chased by the 17 year old) may help him in court.

 

[dsdmmat]

I do want to ask why the hell anybody would try to chase down a person who has an AR15.

I've noticed in general some lack a sense of self preservation. They act in very strange ways, oblivious to what could very likely happen to them. Just because you outnumber the guy with the rifle doesn't mean he can't kill you.

The fact that in both shooting videos he is running away from people (the guy with the red shirt was extremely aggressive in a prior video from last night, so we can safely assume he wasn't being chased by the 17 year old) may help him in court.

Mobs rarely make sense, they tend to get more dangerous and dumber the bigger they get.

 

[SonOfSun]

This thread is a good example of why you stay away from powder keg gatherings. This kid traveled 40ish minutes to be there. Justified shooting or not, it's poor judgement to inject yourself into that willingly. If people come down your street and bring the ruckus with them that's one thing, seeking it out is just not that smart.

 

[holdover]

It was his sense of duty to the community and to himself . He had to ask himself if he was going to just stand around and watch his city get torched or go out and do something about it. I can understand why he did what he did. I also understand the way in which he did it was foolish .

 

[dsdmmat]

This thread is a good example of why you stay away from powder keg gatherings. This kid traveled 40ish minutes to be there. Justified shooting or not, it's poor judgement to inject yourself into that willingly. If people come down your street and brink the ruckus with them that's one thing, seeking it out is just not that smart.

We don’t know why he was there. It could be they were trying to defend what was left of a relative‘s business. In that case it was down his street. I have injected myself into a situation 40 miles away to defend my sister-in-law from a crazed Ex-boyfriend just released from jail. My being there was a preventative measure. His being there may well have been the same. I don’t know why he was there, but the reason for being there may be as innocent as defending the family business.