Drug OD deaths...way up!

[Darth]

If your lawyer, that you have paid for legal advice on the subject, tells you "that shotgun's fine with a 16" barrel, no need to pay for a tax stamp" they have committed malpractice. That doesn’t get you out of your prison sentence, but you *should* be able to sue them for a hefty sum for the faulty service they provided.

Malpractice is like an implied warranty. If someone sells you a bad product, they are liable. That goes for services too.

If someone screws up a brake job on your car and it leads to an accident, they are liable, even if you were the one driving. That's how it works.

Part of what you're paying them for is their assuming a measure of responsibility.

Vehemently disagree. Clearly the laws do as well given the "Prior results do not guarantee a similar outcome" disclaimer.

The only spot I would agree on is with the mechanic, as they are actually taking an action.

"If someone sells you a bad product (Like an AR-15) they are liable (if say, you shoot up a place.)" Danger Will Robinson danger.

If a lawyer gives you bad advice...do not continue use of their services and spread the word. That's how the free market works.

 

[Jmac00]

Of the 81,000+ that commit suicide by drug over dose, I wonder how many of those were from people who have simply lost everything from being locked down, sequestered, quarantined, whatever you want to call it.

Saint Andrew of Covid seems bent on putting every single NY'r into bankruptcy. so i would suspect the suicide rate would go up

 

[kev74]

I don't have a lot of sympathy for the individuals overdosing.

I am very upset about the changes politicians made to our society (for political gain) that caused this much of an upswing in ODs and suicides.

 

[Darth]

Of the 81,000+ that commit suicide by drug over dose, I wonder how many of those were from people who have simply lost everything from being locked down, sequestered, quarantined, whatever you want to call it.

Saint Andrew of Covid seems bent on putting every single NY'r into bankruptcy. so i would suspect the suicide rate would go up

You don't have to suspect it. The suicide rate is up. Just like the domestic violence rate.

 

[meketrefe]

There has been a lot of discussion in the medical community because painkillers have been prescribed too lightly
vs. other nations where doctors are better protected from a frivolous and malicious legal system.
Like the wars we invent to send our kids to and then ask them to fight political correct wars we put those doctors
in a very precarious situation because we want answers from them but we also nail them to the wall.
I guess we are all victims of a system that has arrived to some pretty obvious and impossible contradictions.
Political correctness has destroyed reason, free though and the empowerment of the individual.
Everything is political now yet politicians (from all sides) fvck everything they touch.
and there is zero accountability there. It is always someone elses fault.

If we were serious about this problem we would be looking at what Portugal did and get everyone on board.
But I suspect there are huge interests behind in the form of lobby, revenues and someone is profiting from
this crisis (not just the cartels or criminals)

Lets not forget that the violence, problems and all many times are the consequences of the drugs and additions
themselves and the penal system is not designed and equipped to deal with those the same way is not designed
and equipped to deal with mental people but they all end up there because it is the perpetual system we are
running now.

So yes there are the gang, thugs and the whole gang / cartel business but we also have all the other people that
didn't get started that way.

 

[Saltwater60]

Of the 81,000+ that commit suicide by drug over dose, I wonder how many of those were from people who have simply lost everything from being locked down, sequestered, quarantined, whatever you want to call it.

Saint Andrew of Covid seems bent on putting every single NY'r into bankruptcy. so i would suspect the suicide rate would go up

There are more than a few reports of this on Twitter that I have seen

 

[Catskillkid]

My take (not that it matters) is that I have sympathy for those who were prescribed opiates, followed doctors orders and still got hooked. I had a conversation with my physician probably about a year ago and she said that any first year med student who took pharmacology 101 would've known that they cause addiction and saw this crisis coming a mile away. The push by Big Pharma to over-prescribe them was a greedy push for money on their part. The pharmaceutical companies that pushed this and gave incentives to doctors to prescribe these meds definitively deserve the blame. For those who got addicted this way they have my sympathy and they should be given all the help they need.

The scumbags who decide to shoot heroin recreationally at a party have no sympathy from me. Every child gets it beaten into their head that drugs are bad and a stupid thing to do. If they still decide to do it they live with those consequences. Same with anyone who took up smoking after the 1960s when it was conclusively proven that cigarettes cause lung cancer.

 

[Catskillkid]

I will add that it probably makes more financial sense to treat drug addiction than it does to lock them up.

 

[Blimey]

Plenty of objectively intelligent people have done recreational drugs and become addicted, just as plenty of objectively intelligent people started smoking well after it was known to be carcinogenic. So what to be done?

Everybody in this thread knows that they should have started saving for retirement early, and consistently, yet I am 100% positive that not everybody in this thread has done so. And further I bet some saying they have no sympathy for these people will absolutely expect additional help in their senior years when the money runs out and they realize social security isn't covering all their expenses. Those in glass houses. To varying degrees we are all impulsive, make mistakes, don't plan for the future. Sometimes they are small, and sometimes they are long-lasting.

There are people who go through bad periods in their life, not always their fault. Tragic event, from medical, to losing a parent, to suffering from clinical depression. Maybe they decide, when things are going badly, to try drugs. And then they are hooked, and eventually their family has to bury them. I hope it's just bluster that most in this thread are feigning when they say they've no sympathy for it.

 

[GOPerfect]

I will add that it probably makes more financial sense to treat drug addiction than it does to lock them up.

Makes sense to not use Narcan on them. They made their choice.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

Plenty of objectively intelligent people have done recreational drugs and become addicted, just as plenty of objectively intelligent people started smoking well after it was known to be carcinogenic. So what to be done?

Everybody in this thread knows that they should have started saving for retirement early, and consistently, yet I am 100% positive that not everybody in this thread has done so. And further I bet some saying they have no sympathy for these people will absolutely expect additional help in their senior years when the money runs out and they realize social security isn't covering all their expenses. Those in glass houses. To varying degrees we are all impulsive, make mistakes, don't plan for the future. Sometimes they are small, and sometimes they are long-lasting.

There are people who go through bad periods in their life, not always their fault. Tragic event, from medical, to losing a parent, to suffering from clinical depression. Maybe they decide, when things are going badly, to try drugs. And then they are hooked, and eventually their family has to bury them. I hope it's just bluster that most in this thread are feigning when they say they've no sympathy for it.

OUCH! I don't expect a bail out.

 

[Catskillkid]

Makes sense to not use Narcan on them. They made their choice.

By and large I'm right there with you, especially with the second group I mentioned.

 

[GOPerfect]

Plenty of objectively intelligent people have done recreational drugs and become addicted, just as plenty of objectively intelligent people started smoking well after it was known to be carcinogenic. So what to be done?

Everybody in this thread knows that they should have started saving for retirement early, and consistently, yet I am 100% positive that not everybody in this thread has done so. And further I bet some saying they have no sympathy for these people will absolutely expect additional help in their senior years when the money runs out and they realize social security isn't covering all their expenses. Those in glass houses. To varying degrees we are all impulsive, make mistakes, don't plan for the future. Sometimes they are small, and sometimes they are long-lasting.

There are people who go through bad periods in their life, not always their fault. Tragic event, from medical, to losing a parent, to suffering from clinical depression. Maybe they decide, when things are going badly, to try drugs. And then they are hooked, and eventually their family has to bury them. I hope it's just bluster that most in this thread are feigning when they say they've no sympathy for it.

I have made more than my fair share of errors throughout my life. None of those poor decisions did the tax payers bring me back from.

I have never wanted, nor have I ever needed the assistance of others outside of my family and friends circle.

Most, if not nearly all of the junkies and crackheads in society require the assistance of others. Ie, taxpayers and their money.

 

[meketrefe]

I will add that it probably makes more financial sense to treat drug addiction than it does to lock them up.

Of course it does including legalizing all drugs recreational or not.
This is no longer a theory. Portugal has shown the world it works.
But I suspect there are huge interests that do not want this to get better like cartels, gangs, enforcement, community leaders and budgets, penal amd legal system, etc...
Actually pharma could benefit from legalizing and making safe recreational drugs and open the option to any competition for any kind of drugs that might also benefit the abusive cost of government and lobby regulated prices schemes that make all and any drugs so expensive in the US.

 

[livingston]

My take (not that it matters) is that I have sympathy for those who were prescribed opiates, followed doctors orders and still got hooked. I had a conversation with my physician probably about a year ago and she said that any first year med student who took pharmacology 101 would've known that they cause addiction and saw this crisis coming a mile away. The push by Big Pharma to over-prescribe them was a greedy push for money on their part. The pharmaceutical companies that pushed this and gave incentives to doctors to prescribe these meds definitively deserve the blame. For those who got addicted this way they have my sympathy and they should be given all the help they need.

The scumbags who decide to shoot heroin recreationally at a party have no sympathy from me. Every child gets it beaten into their head that drugs are bad and a stupid thing to do. If they still decide to do it they live with those consequences. Same with anyone who took up smoking after the 1960s when it was conclusively proven that cigarettes cause lung cancer.

But many kids don't have drugs are bad beaten into them ... On occasion I watch these you tubes ..

https://www.youtube.com/c/SoftWhiteUnderbelly

This fellow interviews hookers, drug addicts and the like . These folks are broken people . 90 % it seems they are sexually molested as a child . Many have drug addicted parents . Sticking a needle in your arm is just the same like many of us drinking a beer as a teenager. . One hooker said they started taking drugs at a young age because they were bored. They started out smoking weed and someone brings a needle after that first rush .. they are hooked. Someone got them hooked on purpose. Now instead of free weed at the party its you have to take care of this friend with a BJ... to get that hit... a month later she is a 13 or 14 year old girl strung out on the hard stuff taking care of a dozen men during the night of the party...
Some of these folks cannot catch a break. run aways and such.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

I have been on assistance for a very short time. It was beyond embarrassing. My kids probably wouldn't have survived without it. Thank you for your help during that time.

 

[GOPerfect]

I have been on assistance for a very short time. It was beyond embarrassing. My kids probably wouldn't have survived without it. Thank you for your help during that time.

After my wife's divorce, she had two small children. She went on food stamps for a while as well. I began dating her shortly after, she went off them rather quickly.

The social system is there for assistance, not long life. The amount of people on full, lifelong assistance is staggering.

Most would be very surprised at the shear numbers....

 

[Catskillkid]

But many kids don't have drugs are bad beaten into them ... On occasion I watch these you tubes ..

https://www.youtube.com/c/SoftWhiteUnderbelly

This fellow interviews hookers, drug addicts and the like . These folks are broken people . 90 % it seems they are sexually molested as a child . Many have drug addicted parents . Sticking a needle in your arm is just the same like many of us drinking a beer as a teenager. . One hooker said they started taking drugs at a young age because they were bored. They started out smoking weed and someone brings a needle after that first rush .. they are hooked. Someone got them hooked on purpose. Now instead of free weed at the party its you have to take care of this friend with a BJ... to get that hit... a month later she is a 13 or 14 year old girl strung out on the hard stuff taking care of a dozen men during the night of the party...
Some of these folks cannot catch a break. run aways and such.

And I have sympathy for them. But lots of people grew up in truly horrendous households and still made decent if not good choices and became productive members of society.

Long story short... I believe in second chances and drug treatment but I have limits to my patience especially where my tax dollars are concerned.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

After my wife's divorce, she had two small children. She went on food stamps for a while as well. I began dating her shortly after, she went off them rather quickly.

The social system is there for assistance, not long life. The amount of people on full, lifelong assistance is staggering.

Most would be very surprised at the shear numbers....

Its fucking embarrassing to pay for anything with food stamps. I really could not afford the kids formula at the time and that is all we used. I have more than paid it back in tax withholdings this year alone.

The embarrassment was the incentive to get off of it.

 

[GOPerfect]

Its fucking embarrassing to pay for anything with food stamps. I really could not afford the kids formula at the time and that is all we used. I have more than paid it back in tax withholdings this year alone.

The embarrassment was the incentive to get off of it.

My wife thought the same. She cried when she had to use them. She had to go downtown Buffalo once to re certify after six months, she left halfway through the paperwork and stopped using them.

I watch people use their card all the time, no shame, no embarrassment; just glad to use free money.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

My wife thought the same. She cried when she had to use them. She had to go downtown Buffalo once to re certify after six months, she left halfway through the paperwork and stopped using them.

I watch people use their card all the time, no shame, no embarrassment; just glad to use free money.

I'm crying right now - thankful that a system is in place to help people that need it for a short time, as I did.
I am furious that my tax dollars go to shit bags that live off the system. I don't want to pay for that anymore.

 

[spat]

Vehemently disagree. Clearly the laws do as well given the "Prior results do not guarantee a similar outcome" disclaimer.

The only spot I would agree on is with the mechanic, as they are actually taking an action.

"If someone sells you a bad product (Like an AR-15) they are liable (if say, you shoot up a place.)" Danger Will Robinson danger.

If a lawyer gives you bad advice...do not continue use of their services and spread the word. That's how the free market works.

The "prior results do not guarantee" disclaimer is precisely *because* it would be malpractice for them to claim otherwise.

When the advice is the product, if it is faulty the seller is liable.

If I sell you a defective AR and it blows up in your face, I am liable.

If I sell you defective advice and it blows up in your face, same thing.

If I sell you a good AR or advice and you choose to misuse it, that's on you.

 

[Darth]

The "prior results do not guarantee" disclaimer is precisely *because* it would be malpractice for them to claim otherwise.

When the advice is the product, if it is faulty the seller is liable.

If I sell you a defective AR and it blows up in your face, I am liable.

If I sell you defective advice and it blows up in your face, same thing.

If I sell you a good AR or advice and you choose to misuse it, that's on you.

The disclaimer is *because* people would try to sue if they followed the bad advice of the ambulance chaser, which you can't do. And shouldn't be able to

 

[spat]

The disclaimer is *because* people would try to sue if they followed the bad advice of the ambulance chaser, which you can't do. And shouldn't be able to

When professional advice is a product, it has an implied warranty like every other commercial product.

If it is defective the consumer has rights.

Those disclaimers are there to exclude certain rights that would *by default* exist.

What part of that do you not understand ?

 

[Darth]

When professional advice is a product, it has an implied warranty like every other commercial product.

If it is defective the consumer has rights.

Those disclaimers are there to exclude certain rights that would *by default* exist.

What part of that do you not understand ?

The tossing of personal responsibility, but I already covered that.

It's clear you like passing the blame buck. I don't. That's all really.

 

[spat]

The tossing of personal responsibility, but I already covered that.

It's clear you like passing the blame buck. I don't. That's all really.

So, why do the product liability rules change when advice is the product ?

Or do you think the manufacturer of any defective product isn't responsible, because the consumer is the one who turned it on ?

 

[Darth]

So, why do the product liability rules change when advice is the product ?

Or do you think the manufacturer of any defective product isn't responsible, because the consumer is the one who turned it on ?

B.

 

[seezur]

Plenty of objectively intelligent people have done recreational drugs and become addicted, just as plenty of objectively intelligent people started smoking well after it was known to be carcinogenic. So what to be done?

Everybody in this thread knows that they should have started saving for retirement early, and consistently, yet I am 100% positive that not everybody in this thread has done so. And further I bet some saying they have no sympathy for these people will absolutely expect additional help in their senior years when the money runs out and they realize social security isn't covering all their expenses. Those in glass houses. To varying degrees we are all impulsive, make mistakes, don't plan for the future. Sometimes they are small, and sometimes they are long-lasting.

There are people who go through bad periods in their life, not always their fault. Tragic event, from medical, to losing a parent, to suffering from clinical depression. Maybe they decide, when things are going badly, to try drugs. And then they are hooked, and eventually their family has to bury them. I hope it's just bluster that most in this thread are feigning when they say they've no sympathy for it.

I agree with this sentiment. I’ve known many alcoholics and drug addicts, including many heroin addicts. I’ve known people that died and some that got sober and live a clean life.

Two things that have stuck out to me: There are good people who will do terrible things when using, and there are people who are just pieces of shit, whether using drugs or not.

The other thing I’ve noticed is how insidious the opioid epidemic has come about. Much of it was initially prescription pills that were pushed by pharma to doctors and doctors to patients. The other group got addicted via heroin, fentanyl etc. but what’s surprising is how these teenagers would get introduced to heroin at a high school party.

A lot of it comes from gang bangers in the city who push this shit on teenagers. A lot of it gets siphoned into rural and suburban communities where kids are bored and the parents (due to the deterioration of good parenting and values) are not as attentive or present to pick up on this early.

Many of these people become addicted immediately or within days. It’s sad and very unfortunate that a fuckup as a teenager can spiral into a nearly unshakable addiction that leads to theft, prostitution and murder. I’ve never met an addict who wanted to be addicted or was actually happy. Such a waste of a life and an empty existence. Not sure what the solution is.

 

[spat]

B.

LOL, ok, so if I sell you a toaster and it burns your house down the minute you plug it in, I have no liability ?

I'm glad I don't live in your world.

 

[Darth]

LOL, ok, so if I sell you a toaster and it burns your house down the minute you plug it in, I have no liability ?

I'm glad I don't live in your world.

Yeah, you know how long a company would last putting out products like that?

No, we're much better off in the world we have currently, devoid of personal responsibility.