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First let me say that I am for the Israeli State and that they have been under attack by largely islamic countries/groups since their founding. That being said, countries must be able to defend and hold their own lands. Nearly no national border exists now as it did 100 years ago, some countries no longer exist, some have balkanized, and some have been recently created. If the Israeli State is to remain a sovereign nation, they absolutely must be able to hold their lands as independently as they can. (and I believe they do a pretty good job of that). If they require massive intervention from allies to keep their homeland, then they are no more sovereign than any vassal state. (and I believe there is that element as well regarding US support). Imagine if we had sat out the European part of WW2 (as Joe Kennedy told Roosevelt regarding allying with England and France "you're backing the wrong horse") The German States borders would contain much of Western Europe......If Germany could hold them. If we had accepted less than unconditional surrender from Japan, many places ie. China, Burma, etc. would be part of the Japanese Nation. If the US becomes too weak to hold its borders, we'll be picked apart by the various nations of the world, annexed, divvied up, and taken over by other nations. Don't think that the other nations of the world aren't salivating over that prospect. (along with self defense capabilities, nations also need the capability for self sufficiency). Therefore for a nation to remain a nation it must be able defend itself. Israel is like the lonely settlers outpost, surrounded by Indians, and therefore may require some Cavalry support. There has been strife in these particular regions for all of recorded history, not sure how to fix that.
 
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IrishMick said:
First let me say that I am for the Israeli State and that they have been under attack by largely islamic countries/groups since their founding. That being said, countries must be able to defend and hold their own lands. Nearly no national border exists now as it did 100 years ago, some countries no longer exist, some have balkanized, and some have been recently created. If the Israeli State is to remain a sovereign nation, they absolutely must be able to hold their lands as independently as they can. (and I believe they do a pretty good job of that). If they require massive intervention from allies to keep their homeland, then they are no more sovereign than any vassal state. (and I believe there is that element as well regarding US support). Imagine if we had sat out the European part of WW2 (as Joe Kennedy told Roosevelt regarding allying with England and France "you're backing the wrong horse") The German States borders would contain much of Western Europe......If Germany could hold them. If we had accepted less than unconditional surrender from Japan, many places ie. China, Burma, etc. would be part of the Japanese Nation. If the US becomes too weak to hold its borders, we'll be picked apart by the various nations of the world, annexed, divvied up, and taken over by other nations. Don't think that the other nations of the world aren't salivating over that prospect. (along with self defense capabilities, nations also need the capability for self sufficiency). Therefore for a nation to remain a nation it must be able defend itself. Israel is like the lonely settlers outpost, surrounded by Indians, and therefore may require some Cavalry support. There has been strife in these particular regions for all of recorded history, not sure how to fix that.
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Agreed but the issue is many as actors are helping these groups attack Israel. It’s a rough thing to navigate honestly. They are a very small country and being attacked from nearly every level. It’s not like the USA where they are surrounded by water except from two fronts they are landlocked.
You are correct they do great job of defending themselves and honestly they need to go farther than they are but I feel other countries are powered holding them back. The Gaza coverage is BS.
 
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And even then it would only be on pause while they rebuild their numbers, even if it takes decades.
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The number against Israel is astonishing to me. I don’t really get it. A tiny little country that holds not strategic value and no real mineral or oil production. It’s all religious based crazies that want to kill them because they believe different things. Doesn’t the left preach acceptance but then screams about how they want Israel to die?? Same with the Muslims and how peaceful they are expect to Americans and Israelites for the most part. I don’t think all Muslims are violent
 
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Interesting because we've been bombing the houthis non stop for about a month (something not really covered by any mainstream news organization). Yet they still have the capability to launch these rockets.

Someone is trying to create a wider war over in the middle east. I'm so cynical it wouldn't surprise me if our own CIA was helping the houthis in Yemen.
 
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Interesting because we've been bombing the houthis non stop for about a month (something not really covered by any mainstream news organization). Yet they still have the capability to launch these rockets.

Someone is trying to create a wider war over in the middle east. I'm so cynical it wouldn't surprise me if our own CIA was helping the houthis in Yemen.
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Iran have them the weapons is the speculation.
 
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Iran have them the weapons is the speculation.
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Yes it's common knowledge Iran is arming them and has been for years. They are using them to create problems first for Saudi Arabia, then the nations whose ships pass by them and now the Israelis. No skin off the Iranians noses if thousands of houthis die as a result.

These things must be underground because they keep launching them despite getting bombed for weeks.
 
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Yes it's common knowledge Iran is arming them and has been for years. They are using them to create problems first for Saudi Arabia, then the nations whose ships pass by them and now the Israelis. No skin off the Iranians noses if thousands of houthis die as a result.

These things must be underground because they keep launching them despite getting bombed for weeks.
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Not underground.

More like just arrived from Iran yesterday.

It wasn't always this way, but for the last decade or more 90% of the trouble in the middle east has been Iran's work.

You will never solve the problem until you cut off the head.
 
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I don’t think all Muslims are violent
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Not all Muslims are violent, but then again, not all Christians are violent either.
But both religions espouse hatred for other religions and demand that anyone "not of the faith" be converted, forcefully if necessary, or killed.
Pretty much all Abrahamic religions follow this rule.

Individually, I've known some very nice people of both religions. Collectively? They are a scourge on society.
Attempting to prevent religious wars and religious oppression are reasons our Founding Fathers wrote the 1st Amendment. It's ironic the side that keeps claiming to honor and defend the Constitution are the ones who are also so quick to declare America a "Christian Nation".
 
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Not all Muslims are violent, but then again, not all Christians are violent either.
But both religions espouse hatred for other religions and demand that anyone "not of the faith" be converted, forcefully if necessary, or killed.
Pretty much all Abrahamic religions follow this rule.

Individually, I've known some very nice people of both religions. Collectively? They are a scourge on society.
Attempting to prevent religious wars and religious oppression are reasons our Founding Fathers wrote the 1st Amendment. It's ironic the side that keeps claiming to honor and defend the Constitution are the ones who are also so quick to declare America a "Christian Nation".
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Seriously? When was the last time you heard of Christians killing non believers because they wouldn't convert? 1120 in the 4th crusade? Unless you're talking about some fringe cult. Fundamental Christians, are literally the Amish.

Making the claim that Christianity and Islam that they are both comparably bad is preposterous.

The founders didn't setup America to prevent people from being exposed to religion. They created the 1A for freedom of religion, to practice as they want, NOT freedom FROM religion. These are 2 very different things.

You can personally have the opinion that organized religions caused problems or whatever it is that you believe, but I can't disagree with your post more.
 
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Regardless of religion, the people who RAPED by directions, took BODIES with them to be held as hostages (interesting fact, both Musilim and Jewish folks must bury within 24 hours and as much of the body as possible) AND have HELD THE BODIES for this long….. It is a recognized war crime by the international community and is JUST PLAIN F’D UP. Yet, lets continue to discuss what the Bobble Heads direct us to. Gaza made their choice when they elected a extremist group to rule for them, again when they didn’t ask for periodic elections, and now by not taking the Hamas tunnels (with food and medicine they keep asking for) or pointing the access points to the Isreal forces. Yeah, I get it but the enemy of my oppressor ………

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Islam vs the Crusaders, vs Israel, is a timeless story.

Chalres Martel and Charlemagne started fighting around 800 ad to remove the Islamic Stain from France.

911 was just another chapter in the long running saga.
 
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Grimscale said:
Not all Muslims are violent, but then again, not all Christians are violent either.
But both religions espouse hatred for other religions and demand that anyone "not of the faith" be converted, forcefully if necessary, or killed.
Pretty much all Abrahamic religions follow this rule.

Individually, I've known some very nice people of both religions. Collectively? They are a scourge on society.
Attempting to prevent religious wars and religious oppression are reasons our Founding Fathers wrote the 1st Amendment. It's ironic the side that keeps claiming to honor and defend the Constitution are the ones who are also so quick to declare America a "Christian Nation".
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I’m not sure Christian’s demand anyone convert just if they don’t they won’t have eternal life. Also current Christian’s do not do this through violence as a mainstream idea. Of course there are crazies in every religion and people go wrong. Years ago through the crusades they did and this was wrong. Muslims do this in a much greater percentage currently.
 
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I’m not sure Christian’s demand anyone convert just if they don’t they won’t have eternal life. Also current Christian’s do not do this through violence as a mainstream idea. Of course there are crazies in every religion and people go wrong. Years ago through the crusades they did and this was wrong. Muslims do this in a much greater percentage currently.
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Aztecs and Mayans? But you are correct, religion has been used by man for manly gains since the beginnings.
 
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Saltwater60 said:
The number against Israel is astonishing to me. I don’t really get it. A tiny little country that holds not strategic value and no real mineral or oil production. It’s all religious based crazies that want to kill them because they believe different things. Doesn’t the left preach acceptance but then screams about how they want Israel to die?? Same with the Muslims and how peaceful they are expect to Americans and Israelites for the most part. I don’t think all Muslims are violent
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Those against are because they are being told repeatedly to BE against. The glowing boxes have taken what was learned by advertising to a new level.
 
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Drinkthekoolaid said:
When was the last time you heard of Christians killing non believers because they wouldn't convert?
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I’m not sure Christian’s demand anyone convert
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I'm seeing an uptick in supposed Christians calling for forced conversion. spend a day over on Gab if you want to see just how intense they are getting.
You can chalk it up to "fringe" if you want, but the same argument can be made for islam. The majority of islam rank-n-file are fine with other people living their lives as they want. It's the "crazies in every religion". Sadly, some of them have been able to take over complete countries.


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They created the 1A for freedom of religion, to practice as they want, NOT freedom FROM religion.
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Yes, and these constant calls to declare America a Christian Nation fly in the face of the 1A. It eliminates the opportunity for people to "practice as they want".
How does a Buddhist honestly recite the pledge with the added part from the McCarthy era "one nation under god"? Or a Wiccan? Or an Atheist?
They cannot take an oath that must end in "so help me god" because, to them, that is a lie.

But this is getting offtopic here.

Israel was created fairly recently in the global timeline. A chunk of territory was carved out of conquered land and declared "Israel" and they wonder why all the surrounding religious countries are upset?
"When will the world stop this and help Israel".
It could be argued that it is Israel that was the initial aggressor by taking over land owned by the muslims. go further back and a claim can be made that the muslims took land that was originally of a different religion.
What line do you stop at?
 
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How does a Buddhist honestly recite the pledge with the added part from the McCarthy era "one nation under god"? Or a Wiccan? Or an Atheist?
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The Pledge of Allegiance is not forced upon anyone, one can pledge it or they can decline. Even the US enlistment oath gives religious leeway with "swear or affirm" and the ability to omit "so help me god"
 
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Who cares. America first.

Pack the bags and GTFO of Europe and the Middle East already. We spend too much money on foreign countries including Israel.
 
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