Iran just announced they closed the strait of Hormuz
US and Iran conflict thread. ( merged threads)
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To all ships, including the Chinese?
I'm sure that will be a "special exception" China I'm sure has some back channel discussion occurring
If Trump keeps his promise to drill at home, this won't mean shit.
Martin Armstrong explains the "work around" - a China-Iran railway line that isn't even mentioned by anyone. I've heard about it and Armstrong adds in a nice historical perspective.
The Middle East & China Connection | Armstrong Economics
"The reason Iran can attack the Straits of Hormuz is that the media has unreported the completion of the China-Iran railway link, which is a significant milestone within China’s Belt and Road Initiative (BRI), specifically reviving the ancient Silk Road through modern infrastructure"
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TEOTWAWKI inc.
.338 Win Mag
The world police will be along shortly to ensure it remains open.
stokes
.338 Win Mag
We should start drilling our own, stop importing and exporting oil and bring gas down to $1 a gallon in the USA
Tomas Massie.
Why didn’t you call us back from vacation to vote on military action if there was a serious threat to our country?
Speaker Mike Johnson.
The President made the right call, and did what he needed to do.
Leaders in Congress were aware of the urgency of this situation and the Commander-in-Chief evaluated that the imminent danger outweighed the time it would take for Congress to act.
The world’s largest state sponsor of terrorism, which chants “Death to America,” simply could not be allowed the opportunity to obtain and use nuclear weapons.
The President fully respects the Article I power of Congress, and tonight’s necessary, limited, and targeted strike follows the history and tradition of similar military actions under presidents of both parties.
Why didn’t you call us back from vacation to vote on military action if there was a serious threat to our country?
Speaker Mike Johnson.
The President made the right call, and did what he needed to do.
Leaders in Congress were aware of the urgency of this situation and the Commander-in-Chief evaluated that the imminent danger outweighed the time it would take for Congress to act.
The world’s largest state sponsor of terrorism, which chants “Death to America,” simply could not be allowed the opportunity to obtain and use nuclear weapons.
The President fully respects the Article I power of Congress, and tonight’s necessary, limited, and targeted strike follows the history and tradition of similar military actions under presidents of both parties.
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
I'm sure that was brought up in the emergency UN council meeting today. After all, that would be an emergency, right?
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Or what? Have more time for diplomacy?
Treat us like a retarded whore, dont tell us shit take our money and spend it on bullshit.
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
Find it hard to believe that anyone would think Iran wanted diplomacy. They had their chance for decades as well as after the ass whipping Israel just gave them and they STILL balked. Say what you will about this country and Trump but there is only one thing the Iranian ruling party wants and there is only one way to handle them. YMMV.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Why should I be concerned with Iran? We have a lot bigger fish to fry. The only reason they dont like us is Our support for Isreal ,
Im all for minding our own business, I didnt support Ukraine either. Not our fight.
Im all for minding our own business, I didnt support Ukraine either. Not our fight.
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
You just answered your own question.
stokes
.338 Win Mag
They have been our ally since the beginning, and our only ally in the mid east. For about 75 yrs. So you think just cause the going gets tough we should abandon them? That was Brandons agenda and I assume Harris too. Did you vote for them?
I don't like the idea either, BUT for 50 years they've fucked around with us like an ankle biting Dog insistent on going after us and our Allies like they're going to kill the Great Satan, make the survivors Muslim, and kill all the rest....enough is enough.
The take I get is "we smacked the shit out of them, now they've a choice to either get themselves under control, or take more assbeatings." (remember, "brutality" is what they understand and conform to best)
Ok, when did Iran attack us?
This is what I said in the other thread. If we are going to do this, end it. Conquer them like we conquered the native Americans.
That's the most retarded take I've heard in a while. So if Russia dropped a bomb on a US govt facility inside the US that wouldn't be war to you?
Bombing is war.
The US oil refinery infrastructure says otherwise. A change over in refining technology would take decades.
Here's a good article from 2024 with the relevant part pulled out:
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Most of the oil produced in the U.S. fields in Texas, Oklahoma, and elsewhere is light and sweet, compared to what comes from the Middle East and Russia. The problem is that for many years, imported oil met most of the U.S.’s energy needs, so a large percentage of the refining capacity here is geared towards dealing with oil that is heavier and less sweet than the kind produced here.
I hear this often. Okay, so we are allies, I get that.
I may be completely ignorant on this, but what does America get from Israel for this partnership?
Honest and serious question.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
No We should never have become allies in the first place. We only did it to protect them when they were small. but they have become a a liability not an asset, when the going got tough for us in Korea, in vietnam in the gulf wars where were they? they never sent any token troops . Its a one way alliance , where we give them money , and get nothing back on our end
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
They fucked around with us because we armed their enemy to the teeth , other wise they dont have much of a beef with us. they dont have a beef with china or Russia or Germany, so why us? becuse we go around the world fucking with other people when we should be making deals .
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holdover
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Ai will tell you its the best deal we ever made
stokes
.338 Win Mag
But we did, a long time ago.
But we get so much from our other allies? If we didnt have a presence in the mid east for the last 60+ yrs the world oil supply would be in some mess. If we didnt have an ally in Israel we wouldnt have been able to keep that presence this long.
It tried but I am holding its hand and accounting for its bias. I am sure I am missing a few things.
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
Yeah, some liability. Many in the world want the total destruction of the state as well as all Jews around the world. Just look at the rhetoric at the ivy league schools in this country. You are right. We should just sit by and not lift a finger. Long live Iran and the extreme Islamic ideology.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Doesn't matter the price of oil is global. Doesn't matter where it's made, just matters how much there is vs demand.
Plus, that straight carries half of all global trade, not just oil.
If things get expensive in Europe the prices here will rise too. If they didn't people would just export it from here. OFC, that means the money would flow to us instead or someone else, so that's a good thing, but the price of oil and goods would rise anyway.
But, this is a major escalation that Iran can't afford. They are just begging *more* countries to get involved to change this.
The result of this may be that they lose their ability to close that straight.
Last time this went down with a strong US president they lost half their Navy in one morning.
I don't want to see any people wiped from the face of the earth except pedos. But why does the US have to send money and military aid to Israel and then get bloody as well?
Pick one, you can have the aid or pay us to protect you.