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GOPerfect said:
So, should we destroy North Korea as well? Pakistan? India? Russia? China?
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Obviously not.

India is an ally committed to peace.

Pakistan is Muslim, but has been Nuclear for a long time, and has not used it, nor howls daily that they plan to. They are dangerous, but mainly only when fools import them into their own countries.

The others are atheist Communists. The destruction of the entire world will not bring some Satanic Savior to rule us all. They wish to rule us, of course, but in this life only. As there is no other.
 
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Pakistan nominates Trump for Nobel Peace Prize, praising ‘stellar statemanship’​


Obviously, Trump negotiated with both sides, and being rational, all were happy with the terms.

I hope this proves Pakistan is not nearly as crazy as many Democrat Communists are, right here in the USA.
 
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GOPerfect said:
I understand that the current discussion is about Israel/Iran, due to the current situation.

I have said it for many, many years....

ALL financial aid to ALL foreign nations needs to end. All of it to all nations.

I support the right to all people to live and to exist. I support the people of Israel to a country of their own. I support the right of those people to defend themselves if attacked or to deal with a pending amount of trouble.

I do not think, nor do I support the involvement of the US or our military.
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Your desire to end all foreign aid to all countries might be valid if China, Russia, Iran, and other bad actors also desired this.

But they do not, and never will.

Be content if we can end funding Transgender Hamsters, Gain of Function, and a vast variety of other senseless and harmful abominations.
 
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Iranian Resistance Leader: 'Khamenei Must Go’ After U.S. Strikes Regime Nuclear Sites

Following airstrikes targeting Iran’s key nuclear facilities, Maryam Rajavi, president-elect of the NCRI, declared, “Now Khamenei must go."
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#BREAKING: A Bipartisan Majority Supports U.S. House Resolution 166, affirming support for the Iranian people’s desire for a secular, democratic republic and condemning the regime’s terrorism & repression.
 
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holdover said:
Im all for selling them weapons, but no, We should not get involved. You think bombing Iran is going to make us prosperous ? We are'nt doing it for us . We get nothing out of it . We were not at war with Iran, We broke the UN charter by attacking them . We are violation of the rules that We demand other countries follow. The world sees us as hypocrites

I dont give a flying fuck about Iran. They would chop off my head if I went there. Im all about business with everyone, allies to no one. Across the board

When Azerbaijan went to war with Armenia , I didnt see fox news or CNN supporting airstrikes , nobody gave a shit about civilian deaths If Iran nuked Isreal, guess what? I still have to go to work on Monday

Dont mean to be heartless but its not our fight, Isreal attacked Iran, Let them deal with it . Im sick and tired of having to fight wars all over the world ,
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How would you feel if Iran got nukes ?

You don't think they'd use them sooner or later ?

You don't think that would mean their neighbors would all decide they need them too ?

You want Egypt and the Saudis getting nukes ?

A lot of bad things lie down that route. Better to stop Iran now, when it's cheap and easy.
 
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SomeSoldier said:
Ok but if you want to compare this to Iran then the guy threatening you lives in California and is sending his 15 yo nephew to live near you and maybe attack you but you have hired blackwater security to guard you.
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No, the world is not that big. It's more like the guy threatening us lives at the end of the block.

He's not a neighbor, but he's close enough that if he starts shooting at his neighbor the bullets are going to end up at our house.
 
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spat said:
No, the world is not that big. It's more like the guy threatening us lives at the end of the block.

He's not a neighbor, but he's close enough that if he starts shooting at his neighbor the bullets are going to end up at our house.
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So, in this hypothetical, should the government come in and take the guns prior to him using them?
 
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CaseHardened said:
Your desire to end all foreign aid to all countries might be valid if China, Russia, Iran, and other bad actors also desired this.

But they do not, and never will.

Be content if we can end funding Transgender Hamsters, Gain of Function, and a vast variety of other senseless and harmful abominations.
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I will be fully content when American money stays in the US. This of course will never happen, so I will never be fully content.
 
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GOPerfect said:
So, in this hypothetical, should the government come in and take the guns prior to him using them?
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No, you don't take the guns from people who are dangerous like that. That would be stupid. You'll still have a dangerous lunatic running around who will undoubtedly get dangerous weapons anyway.

You lock him up.


But countrys aren't people. They don't have the same rights.
 
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If we find a "sleeper cell" can we preemptive strike them or will the gooberment come down on us?

Problem is islame the "religion of piece" because off with your head.
They have been killing each other since the ~600-1000 yrs., move to today and islame will kill you if you don't submit; not seeing other religions killing people modern-day.

Look to history, man can not be trusted; Cane/Able.

WWI/II was who has my back and here come the dough boys.
 
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spat said:
No, the world is not that big. It's more like the guy threatening us lives at the end of the block.

He's not a neighbor, but he's close enough that if he starts shooting at his neighbor the bullets are going to end up at our house.
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Dude has to be at least cross town and takes the bus. He doesn't have guns, just Iran doesn't have ICBMs. Its more like he shows up with a bat. Also blackwater is still guarding.
 
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I have no doubt the world is a better place if Iran’s nuclear program was crippled as it is being reported.

But I can’t help but wonder what kind of shitstorm we have stirred up. This will not go unanswered, what price will America pay for this?

I fully support President Trump. This was a display of America’s strength.

Strength also invites challenge.
 
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MikeM said:
Were we attacking or threatening to attack Japan before they attacked? There is no comparison.
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The reason they said they attacked us was because they wanted to hit us before we got involved, as known as preemptive strike.
 
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I am currently working with AI to figure out that answer. Please stand by for the answer. It will be a $ value +/-. All of the information I gave the AI will be included so the whole conversation can be read.

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SomeSoldier said:
According to the public data the AI was able to pull together. The US has invested $339 billion, ish, meaning that we gave more to Israel than they have given to us, since we started give aid to Israel (1949). So back to original question what do we get out of this relationship?

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Let's accept your analysis at face value. That would make Israel an American proxy in the region, or even a client state.

What we most cynically get from our investment: A front line force against America-hating terrorist regimes. We get separation between attacks on American enemies and risks to American military personnel.

Some may shout, "We're just doing Israel's bidding!" This may be somewhat true, but naive. We undoubtedly have confluence of interests with Israel on some foreign policies. Just because we act in a way that benefits Israel does not mean that were working FOR Israel.

At present, American and Israeli interests in Iran have, at least publicly, diverged: Israel is hell-bent on deposing the theocratic Iranian Revolutionary Regime with whom they are at war for attacks on the Israeli homefront. The U.S., however, is currently not engaging in further direct military actions against Iran since our goal, the crippling of Iran's nuclear weapons program, has been achieved.

The ball is in Iran's government's court. They can cease hostilities and rejoin the civilized world or they can continue military actions against Israel and international economic interests.

Iran must also keep in mind, based on the original "We give Israel too much" thesis of the OP: Iran's most powerful allies (China, Russia, and Pakistan) all have more pressing issues or are themselves currently involved in military actions that require them to keep their military assets for themselves. Israel is being supplied by The United States.
 
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Depick said:
I have no doubt the world is a better place if Iran’s nuclear program was crippled as it is being reported.

But I can’t help but wonder what kind of shitstorm we have stirred up. This will not go unanswered, what price will America pay for this?

I fully support President Trump. This was a display of America’s strength.

Strength also invites challenge.
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All true.

Years ago, I took a course in international relations in college. I decided that it was mostly a waste of time because, in the end, only strength is respected. If you're strong, people will engage in dialogue because they fear you. Respect is fine, for those who share your values, but fear works too (see: Soviet Union).

On the international stage, like it or not, Trump has significantly increased the value of his words. Those who oppose The United States must now think very carefully when President Trump takes a stand on an issue. He has proven that underestimating his resolve can have grave consequences. DJT is not FJB.
 
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SomeSoldier said:
Dude has to be at least cross town and takes the bus. He doesn't have guns, just Iran doesn't have ICBMs. Its more like he shows up with a bat. Also blackwater is still guarding.
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End of the block, and currently threatening to shoot at any delivery vans headed by his house.

I get the desire to return to the Monroe doctrine and let the rest of the world burn.

But we've tried that, it did not work out well. We got dragged into 2 world wars for our effort.

How many more will it take before the isolationists realize it doesn't work.

I swear, you guys are as bad as communists. "It was a disaster last time, and the time before, but this time will be different, I'm sure"

The last 80 years have been the most peaceful in all of human history, largely *because* we decided to play world police.

You should really read up on what things were like for the other 10,000 years of history before you try going back to the way it was.
 
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Phazer said:
Those who oppose The United States must now think very carefully when President Trump takes a stand on an issue. He has proven that underestimating his resolve can have grave consequences. DJT is not FJB.
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Absolutely. Whether you agree with the decision or not it shows a clear difference between Trump and his predecessor.
 
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