Trump’s Effort To Remove Noncitizens From Census Would Affect Elections

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Trump’s Effort To Remove Noncitizens From Census Would Affect Elections​


If the second Trump administration fails to win court approval of its expected effort to exclude illegal migrants from the census, this time around, it will have backup.

Following a years-long surge in illegal immigration, the Trump administration is poised to challenge a longstanding but legally fraught practice: counting illegal aliens in the U.S. census.
President Trump tried to end the practice during his first term, but President Biden overturned his predecessor’s policy before it was implemented. Now, buoyed by red state attorneys general and Republican legislators, the second Trump administration is determined “to clean up the census and make sure that illegal aliens are not counted,” White House Deputy Chief of Staff for Policy Stephen Miller said last month.
What Miller didn’t mention are the political implications of the administration’s move. It could have significant political implications because the census count is used to apportion House seats, determine the number of votes each state gets in the Electoral College for selecting the president, and drive the flow of trillions of dollars in government funds.
Some immigration researchers project that including noncitizens in the census count disproportionately benefits Democratic states with large illegal alien populations. A recent study counters that, based on 2020 census figures, there would have been a negligible shift to the political map had the U.S. government excluded noncitizens from that count. But looking backward, those researchers found, red states would have benefited under the administration’s desired census counting shift. Had authorities excluded such migrants from the 2010 census, Louisiana, Missouri, Montana, Ohio, and North Carolina all would have gained one seat in the House, while California would have lost three seats, and Texas and Florida would have each lost one seat — with the total number of Electoral College votes allotted each state changing accordingly.
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Trump Removing Noncitizens From Census Would Affect Elections

If the second Trump admin fails to win court approval of its expected effort to exclude illegal migrants, it will have backup this time.
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What needs to be clarified is whether or not the "enumeration clause" of the U.S. Constitution actually mandates counting of non-citizens.

The arguments should be interesting. What was the meaning of "Free persons?" Would the framers have wanted representative apportionment in the federal government based on a domestic population of non-Americans? "Indians not taxed" were non-citizens and were explicitly excluded from the census count.

Are there notes from the constitutional convention that sheds light on the original intent of the clause at issue?

Article I, Section 2, Clause 3:

Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons. The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct. The Number of Representatives shall not exceed one for every thirty Thousand, but each State shall have at Least one Representative; and until such enumeration shall be made, the State of New Hampshire shall be entitled to chuse three, Massachusetts eight, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations one, Connecticut five, New-York six, New Jersey four, Pennsylvania eight, Delaware one, Maryland six, Virginia ten, North Carolina five, South Carolina five, and Georgia three.​
 
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Phazer said:
What needs to be clarified is whether or not the "enumeration clause" of the U.S. Constitution actually mandates counting of non-citizens.

The arguments should be interesting. What was the meaning of "Free persons?" Would the framers have wanted representative apportionment in the federal government based on a domestic population of non-Americans? "Indians not taxed" were non-citizens and were explicitly excluded from the census count.

Are there notes from the constitutional convention that sheds light on the original intent of the clause at issue?

Article I, Section 2, Clause 3:

Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons. The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct. The Number of Representatives shall not exceed one for every thirty Thousand, but each State shall have at Least one Representative; and until such enumeration shall be made, the State of New Hampshire shall be entitled to chuse three, Massachusetts eight, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations one, Connecticut five, New-York six, New Jersey four, Pennsylvania eight, Delaware one, Maryland six, Virginia ten, North Carolina five, South Carolina five, and Georgia three.​
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Indentured servants used to be a big thing back in the founder's day. I can't possibly see how waves of illegal immigrants could possibly count as free persons for the purposes of the census.
 
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3/5 of a person, referred to the slaves.

Illegals are closer to 1/5 of a person, especially with Tats.


1/5 - deportation = + $25,000 a year for America, in saved Prison costs, and saved medicaid/welfare/rent/ free college savings, that they will not get.
 
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It would impact some states more than others. It should be people eligible to vote on the census for election purposes, electoral college and other representation. I get illegals are still people and here but they don’t need to be in that mix for other purposes.
 
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Have to wonder the Religion of all these illegals: Muslims will gather in sufficient numbers to take over the Governments where they live...look at "The Squad" and the fucktard running for Mayor of NYC, who has a good chance of winning not because of his intellect, but his religion.
If you could have all sorts of "Free shit" by simply voting for it with the condition that someone else pays for it....
 
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Counting Illegals is why Biden, or whoever was in charge, flooded the Country with them. If the courts deem them uncountable, watch how quickly the Dems discard them because they will no longer be useful to them.
 
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Voter registration roles, fraudunlent SS checks, delivered to addresses, etc etc are a death segtence to the 1/5'ers.........ICE is finding them EZ.
 
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As someone that does my families genealogy and looking at many census records from around the world, I can tell you the citizenship question was on census forms here in the US. going way back into the 1870's. So it answered two questions. One, how many citizens for representation and two, for how many migrants are residing in a given location. :beer:
 
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Bustedknees said:
My son just received a full census packet in the mail. Anybody else ever heard of getting one at halftime?
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I do believe that the Census conducts a mid-Census study to see how things are changing. It's very limited and not everyone gets asked to respond. I do not know how they select who they ask questions to and who they do not.
 
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Zerex said:
3/5 of a person, referred to the slaves.

Illegals are closer to 1/5 of a person, especially with Tats.


1/5 - deportation = + $25,000 a year for America, in saved Prison costs, and saved medicaid/welfare/rent/ free college savings, that they will not get.
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Illegals are 0/5

Might as well count pets
 
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CaseHardened said:
Massachusetts issued Drivers Licenses to Illegals.

Turn over the records, Governor Healy.

Or go to Prison.
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THIS is exactly why we citizens had to get "Real ID" driver's licenses. Some states gave out so many licenses to illegals that it became widely known that a driver's license was no longer a valid proof of citizenship.
 
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In two years, the estimated 25 million illegals population, will be down substantially.

Self deportation works, and so will cutting off Fed medicaid funding for illegals, to blue states like NYS.

Illegals going to college in NYS on our dime, can be captured at the student union entrance, and others at hospitals, churches, drug stings, and traffic stops.

Panic is in the wind for illegals.
 
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Except I believe it was 30 million before Biden let in another 20.

The Democrat Communists did this to up the Census in Blue States, ensure a voting block, and to destabilize our entire country.

Get us nice and soft for the Chinese Invasion.
 
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We need to deport them all.

And then think very carefully about letting any in, ever again.

We should face the fact that there will be a time, perhaps soon, when AI will be capable of many simple tasks, and at low cost.

We won't need humans harvesting cotton.
 
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CaseHardened said:
And then think very carefully about letting any in, ever again.
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Controlled immigration results in citizens who work hard and typically end up voting conservative.

That's NOT what we had for the last 4 years.

Deport them all, let those who choose to work for a living re-apply, be vetted, and ultimately become legal citizens THE RIGHT WAY.
 
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Grimscale said:
Controlled immigration results in citizens who work hard and typically end up voting conservative.

That's NOT what we had for the last 4 years.

Deport them all, let those who choose to work for a living re-apply, be vetted, and ultimately become legal citizens THE RIGHT WAY.
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There really is no practical alternative.
 
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