Gabbard claims treasonous conspiracy

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spat said:
The dems laid out the mechanism to extend a statue it limitations and elevate a misdemeanor to a felony.

"The statute for the original crime has run out, but you guys conspired to hide it, and we're charging you with destruction of evidence and obstruction of justice anyway.
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Yes in the NY's state legislature and then the judge in the case instructed the jury to treat the misdemeanors as felonies despite the lack of a required higher level felony.

Maybe the Republicans should draft a bill extending the statue of limitations just to get the democrats to come out against it. lol Then tie it to NY scheme and to AG James and Hochul. lol

It might even get people to request immunity :beer: :ROFL:
 
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C'mon Dannyboy, say it or STFU!
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If you are referring to Bongino, its obvious as to why. Would you rather hear a story or take the legal path with no leaks and go for prosecutions?

Most involved have US code 18 sec 1001 hanging over them and those that lied to congress additional charges. I wouldn't risk a prosecution because of confirmation of what we all likely know happened. I don't need to be told I'm right. :ROFL: :beer: :flag:

But Republican's dragged their feet on this with the Mueller and Durham reports. I am positive their are receipts kept to connect some of your favorite Republican of the that time or even now.
 
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Any arrests yet?

With all of the many so-called investigations going on. It seems like at least one person would get charged with something. Unless it's all a dog and pony show.

Investigations here, investigations there, investigations everywhere.
And for whatever reason, they all end up being nothing burgers.
Something's fishy with that. IMHO
 
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Any arrests yet?

With all of the many so-called investigations going on. It seems like at least one person would get charged with something. Unless it's all a dog and pony show.

Investigations here, investigations there, investigations everywhere.
And for whatever reason, they all end up being nothing burgers.
Something's fishy with that. IMHO
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BF, my prediction is, we will hear about some low hanging fruit that will get arrested some day, but as far as any big fish, it` ain`t ever happening. I`ll guess right around as the mid-term election`s gets closer, suddenly, "hey we got`em, were arresting so an so". It`ll be somebody you likely never heard of, or at best, nobody of real importance or worth while (the sacrificial lamb takes one for the team). They are gonna feed us some more lies with more crumbs to satisfy us low life peasant`s. One distraction after another.

Its like watching the parade go down the street and everybody scrambling for the candy they throw at us. One party ain`t no better than the opposing party, they both just flat out suck. At the end of the day, its all about the money & power. They are drunk with it. We are phucked, my friend, phucked. Should we vote harder next time?
 
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GOP stops short of backing Gabbard, Trump on arresting Obama officials​


Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard’s document releases about the Obama administration’s review of the 2016 election are leading President Trump to call for prosecution of former officials, including his predecessor.

But many Republicans in Congress aren’t ready to go quite that far.

 
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GOP stops short of backing Gabbard, Trump on arresting Obama officials​


Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard’s document releases about the Obama administration’s review of the 2016 election are leading President Trump to call for prosecution of former officials, including his predecessor.

But many Republicans in Congress aren’t ready to go quite that far.

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Pretty much it, brother. Ain`t nobody going to prison for their governmental crimes against the American people. As i stated earlier, maybe they might sacrifice a couple low ballers to satisfy a few peasants, but as for the real criminals, nahhhhhh, ain`t nobody gettin locked up. A corrupted government always just rolls on full steam ahead, my friend. All we can do is just step around the shit piles they leave in our path`s.
 
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A large cache of documents were found that comey hid thinking no one would ever find it. I suspect he wanted to get rid of them before he left but was unable to.
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Patel found thousands of sensitive Trump–Russia probe docs inside 'burn bags' in secret room at FBI

EXCLUSIVE: FBI Director Kash Patel found a trove of sensitive documents related to the origins of the Trump–Russia probe buried in burn bags in a secret room inside the bureau, sources familiar told Fox News Digital.
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A large cache of documents were found that comey hid thinking no one would ever find it. I suspect he wanted to get rid of them before he left but was unable to.
www.foxnews.com

Patel found thousands of sensitive Trump–Russia probe docs inside 'burn bags' in secret room at FBI

EXCLUSIVE: FBI Director Kash Patel found a trove of sensitive documents related to the origins of the Trump–Russia probe buried in burn bags in a secret room inside the bureau, sources familiar told Fox News Digital.
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com
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Ho-hum. More bullshit that will go nowhere. I find it hard to believe he would put them in "burn bags" and then toss them in a secret room inside the bureau and not into the furnace. Secret room? Secret to who?
 
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A large cache of documents were found that comey hid thinking no one would ever find it. I suspect he wanted to get rid of them before he left but was unable to.
www.foxnews.com

Patel found thousands of sensitive Trump–Russia probe docs inside 'burn bags' in secret room at FBI

EXCLUSIVE: FBI Director Kash Patel found a trove of sensitive documents related to the origins of the Trump–Russia probe buried in burn bags in a secret room inside the bureau, sources familiar told Fox News Digital.
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com
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I don't quite understand why if Comey didn't ever want them found he wouldn't have just had them burned? They were after all in burn bags, that would seem to be the intent. I wonder if it's possible someone else stashed them in the hopes they would be discovered at a later time to blow this thing open. OR is Comey really just that stupid? OR is this BS?

When I was in the USN on a couple of occasions I had to deliver burn bags to the base incinerator. At the base I was stationed at it was one of the duties of the JOOD to pick up the bags and deliver them. IIRC this was during morning or afternoon watches while the incinerator was in operation - our JOODs stood 6 hour watches. You had to sign for them and each had a serialized metal tag. The folks at the incinerator recorded the tag numbers and inspected each bag for tampering. That record of receipt then made its way to various points to confirm proper delivery. I think it was also logged in the OOD's logbook. IDR if the folks had foreknowledge of the delivery, but I seem to recall them matching the serial numbers to a list they had. It seemed like it was a pretty secure process.

I'm not sure if it works anywhere near the same way at the FIB as it did on our base back in the 80's. Maybe that's just the difference between real security and paying lip-service to it.
 
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Wait, WHAT???? another distraction?????

Sorry, but i call BULLSH!T on every bit of what this administration has been doing. They`re babbling all the time about transparency.... BULLSH!T, its nothing but "LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME LOOK AT MEEEEEEEEE, LOOK AT WHAT I FOUND HERE". Its all smoke an mirrors and political theater.

Why the PHUCK, would anybody want to tell the enemy what you`re up to and what your doing and what evidence you have against them. REAL investigations do NOT work like that. All this government is, is a great big phucking clown show.

But they all continue getting richer off our backs, don`t they.
 
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lrick said:
I don't quite understand why if Comey didn't ever want them found he wouldn't have just had them burned? They were after all in burn bags, that would seem to be the intent. I wonder if it's possible someone else stashed them in the hopes they would be discovered at a later time to blow this thing open. OR is Comey really just that stupid? OR is this BS?

When I was in the USN on a couple of occasions I had to deliver burn bags to the base incinerator. At the base I was stationed at it was one of the duties of the JOOD to pick up the bags and deliver them. IIRC this was during morning or afternoon watches while the incinerator was in operation - our JOODs stood 6 hour watches. You had to sign for them and each had a serialized metal tag. The folks at the incinerator recorded the tag numbers and inspected each bag for tampering. That record of receipt then made its way to various points to confirm proper delivery. I think it was also logged in the OOD's logbook. IDR if the folks had foreknowledge of the delivery, but I seem to recall them matching the serial numbers to a list they had. It seemed like it was a pretty secure process.

I'm not sure if it works anywhere near the same way at the FIB as it did on our base back in the 80's. Maybe that's just the difference between real security and paying lip-service to it.
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Maybe not everyone at the bureau is part of the deep state ?

Someone doesn't have the balls to go full whistle blower, but does have enough to preserve the evidence for later ?
 
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Maybe not everyone at the bureau is part of the deep state ?

Someone doesn't have the balls to go full whistle blower, but does have enough to preserve the evidence for later ?
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I think those are rational questions and yeah I hope not everyone is DS.

If you're on the naive side of things believing all works just as we were taught and all are white hat wearing good guys, I'd say that was irrational logic. Likewise, if you believe all are DS black hats, I'd say that is equally irrational. Truth is often in the middle, so yeah I'd say it's possible.

A lot more risk in going full whistle-blower than doing something passive aggressive like hiding them hoping for someone else to do the heavy lifting later.

I posted my experience to kind of lay out the mechanics of how it worked for me. The base I worked at was RDT&E. We handled some sensitive stuff and although the process was pretty secure, the delivery was still assigned to the 3rd class Petty Officer standing watch. It was the weakest link in the process.

Comey likely was not walking these bags down to the incinerator himself, that would be beneath him. However it does work at FIB, could very well be that he wanted whatever was to be burned left out of the designated process. Maybe he didn't want any record of it. It's not just about destroying documents, but more about destroying documents that are authorized for destruction. All gov agencies are under obligation to preserve certain documents by law. Some they can destroy. Some mid-level FIB analyst goes off the deep-end and starts sending the contents of his office to the incinerator is going to raise flags, right? The process needs to prevent that possibility too.

So, maybe they were stashed with the intent to be destroyed surreptitiously at some future point that hadn't yet materialized. Or alternatively, someone else stashed them instead.
 
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lrick said:
I think those are rational questions and yeah I hope not everyone is DS.

If you're on the naive side of things believing all works just as we were taught and all are white hat wearing good guys, I'd say that was irrational logic. Likewise, if you believe all are DS black hats, I'd say that is equally irrational. Truth is often in the middle, so yeah I'd say it's possible.

A lot more risk in going full whistle-blower than doing something passive aggressive like hiding them hoping for someone else to do the heavy lifting later.

I posted my experience to kind of lay out the mechanics of how it worked for me. The base I worked at was RDT&E. We handled some sensitive stuff and although the process was pretty secure, the delivery was still assigned to the 3rd class Petty Officer standing watch. It was the weakest link in the process.

Comey likely was not walking these bags down to the incinerator himself, that would be beneath him. However it does work at FIB, could very well be that he wanted whatever was to be burned left out of the designated process. Maybe he didn't want any record of it. It's not just about destroying documents, but more about destroying documents that are authorized for destruction. All gov agencies are under obligation to preserve certain documents by law. Some they can destroy. Some mid-level FIB analyst goes off the deep-end and starts sending the contents of his office to the incinerator is going to raise flags, right? The process needs to prevent that possibility too.

So, maybe they were stashed with the intent to be destroyed surreptitiously at some future point that hadn't yet materialized. Or alternatively, someone else stashed them instead.
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I honestly believe that most of the people working in those agencies are good people with honest intentions.

But the way the systems are compartmentalized they are designed for a small number of malevolent actors to keep the whole thing running.

Just like the Nazi death machine. It took tens of thousands of people to keep Auschweitz running.

But only a handful actually turned on the gas in the showers.

The vast majority of those people wouldn't have been willing to do that. But they would say "i'm just a train conductor" and were blind to what was really going on.

Even most of the guards were the same sort of people we have as corrections officers today. They didn't see themselves as committing atrocities, just "doing their job" and "guarding the prisoners".

So runs the deep state. A building with 1000 people working in it only needs a handful of actual deep state agents in key positions to subvert the function of the whole organization.
 
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spat said:
I honestly believe that most of the people working in those agencies are good people with honest intentions.

But the way the systems are compartmentalized they are designed for a small number of malevolent actors to keep the whole thing running.

Just like the Nazi death machine. It took tens of thousands of people to keep Auschweitz running.

But only a handful actually turned on the gas in the showers.

The vast majority of those people wouldn't have been willing to do that. But they would say "i'm just a train conductor" and were blind to what was really going on.

Even most of the guards were the same sort of people we have as corrections officers today. They didn't see themselves as committing atrocities, just "doing their job" and "guarding the prisoners".

So runs the deep state. A building with 1000 people working in it only needs a handful of actual deep state agents in key positions to subvert the function of the whole organization.
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It's the "all that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" adage but in the context of institutionalizing evil, it's all that is necessary [...] is that good men to do the job they're assigned and don't ask questions.

To expand a bit upon my past comment....if Comey *did* want these documents left out of the designated process, and not recorded, that would have presented the ideal scenario for someone to stash them with less risk since there would be no verification of their destruction back to Comey. Comey left himself exposed.

I wonder if they've done any forensics on these documents, to prove who handled them. At the very least, I would think mishandling of classified documents charges could be brought. Preserving evidence seems like Criminal Justice 101. I hope Bongino and Patel were at least that bright. But never underestimate stupid.
 
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spat said:
I honestly believe that most of the people working in those agencies are good people with honest intentions.
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I must disagree strongly here. I think there are very few people with honest intentions. Perhaps a few who see which way the wind is now blowing.
 
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100%

It's the "all that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" adage but in the context of institutionalizing evil, it's all that is necessary [...] is that good men to do the job they're assigned and don't ask questions.

To expand a bit upon my past comment....if Comey *did* want these documents left out of the designated process, and not recorded, that would have presented the ideal scenario for someone to stash them with less risk since there would be no verification of their destruction back to Comey. Comey left himself exposed.

I wonder if they've done any forensics on these documents, to prove who handled them. At the very least, I would think mishandling of classified documents charges could be brought. Preserving evidence seems like Criminal Justice 101. I hope Bongino and Patel were at least that bright. But never underestimate stupid.
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Destruction of evidence charges should be forthcoming.

Should be.

Along with a litany of related charges, from conspiracy related ones to those about perverting the course of justice.
 
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Evil is or can be subjective and self preservation is a mighty strong motivator.

I'll bet there are a lot of these people, even those who are doing outright evil that believe it is for the greater good. They hold the institutional continuity and embody the ensuing orchestration. They outlive the politicians. They know better than pols and will take it upon themselves to do what must be done that politicians cannot afford to. Many politicians know this and even rely upon it. These intel leaders came out of WWII, the cold war, etc with that mentality and know how ugly it is in the real world, and that can color even the purest of men.

So question is not so much is it evil, but is it lawful. The two are not always the same and for some the question is, is it necessary for the greater good (as they see it) regardless of being good or lawful.

Maybe the Deep State is the most extreme example of mission creep we've ever seen. Many of these people were given the tools to do to others just what they do to us. They just think they're on the right side of things.

But of course some are also only in it for themselves.
 
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Honest and good are not necessarily completely overlapping.

If I was 100% honest there would be a whole lot of butt-hurt people that would see me as evil not good.
 
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