Hochul quotes scripture as she justifies allowing Dr assisted suicide

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Wow. Democrats quoting scripture and saying God is merciful while allowing people to kill themselves. Meanwhile they use suicide stats to take our guns.
I think it’s hypocritical how she wants all these protections for terminally ill but you can kill a baby anytime. To me scripture is clear and Fod values life above all else and never ends anyone’s life.
Outside of that I do understand this and I do not hold non-Christian’s to biblical standards because it’s wrong of me to IMO. How can I hold people to a standard of something they do not believe in?
So I will add I understand this for people at the very end who are in massive amounts of pain. I also think that is currently occurring so I see no need for this. I see things like this expanding to where Canada is and I’m not ok with that.
When a society does not value human life it’s destined to do horrible things.

Governor Hochul signs "Medical Aid in Dying Act" saying, "God is merciful" - THE WELLSVILLE SUN
 
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Saltwater60 said:
So I will add I understand this for people at the very end who are in massive amounts of pain. I also think that is currently occurring so I see no need for this.
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The need for this is so that these people, with no chance left and nothing but pain and misery, can have a SAFE place to finally be free of their torment. Safe = clean, effective, and understanding.
These people shouldn't have to try to resort to under-the-table methods that frequently only end up making things worse.

I hate heil hochul as much as anyone here. But if someone is in excruciating pain every hour of every day, with no possibility of relief, or having a terminal illness, they should have the choice to go on their own terms.

Just have to make sure the law includes provisions to ensure that it is actually that person's choice, and not something forced on them by money-hungry insurance companies, corrupt and womanizing NY governors, or family members looking to get the estate.

I have watched family members waste away from cancer, and I have a family member who, at this moment, is on the highest legal dose of oxy and it still does not control her pain. She frequently hints that she may go out on her own terms rather than continue to live in excruciating agony.
 
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The need for this is so that these people, with no chance left and nothing but pain and misery, can have a SAFE place to finally be free of their torment. Safe = clean, effective, and understanding.
These people shouldn't have to try to resort to under-the-table methods that frequently only end up making things worse.

I hate heil hochul as much as anyone here. But if someone is in excruciating pain every hour of every day, with no possibility of relief, or having a terminal illness, they should have the choice to go on their own terms.

Just have to make sure the law includes provisions to ensure that it is actually that person's choice, and not something forced on them by money-hungry insurance companies, corrupt and womanizing NY governors, or family members looking to get the estate.

I have watched family members waste away from cancer, and I have a family member who, at this moment, is on the highest legal dose of oxy and it still does not control her pain. She frequently hints that she may go out on her own terms rather than continue to live in excruciating agony.
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While I agree with the intentions as you have stated them, Canada said the same thing when they started their program too.....and now, euthenasia is pushed upon nearly everyone.

As with ALL things, government ALWAYS pushes things WAAAAYYY too far.
 
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Hospice regularly administers the final morphine shot to unconscious patients..........a big shot.
Family does not notice.

Both of my terminal parents were given the big shot, before I arrived at their passings. I did not know until later on.

This legitimizes what has been going on for decades..........

Few Drs. today will want to be on the hook, officially, and Hospice will continue the dirty work.
In the Hospital settings it is done during regular morphine therapy..........under a Dr's orders to alleviate their pain. Everybody knows what is going on.

Hochuls law, will allow psychos to die in a big spectacle of friends, family,associates, the community, the DNC and UN epresentatives, plus the local bar and grill patrons.
 
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This is just a toe in the door. It will expand in the middle of the night, incrementally, over the years, till it makes Canada's policy look like a health spa. One need only look a SSA to see how the G morphs things waaaaaaay beyond original wording, because the intent is the end game. I just got a $24.00 SSA raise from a fund I have paid into my entire life, hell, they pay heroine addicts more than I get.
Its not the governments business.
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Grimscale said:
The need for this is so that these people, with no chance left and nothing but pain and misery, can have a SAFE place to finally be free of their torment. Safe = clean, effective, and understanding.
These people shouldn't have to try to resort to under-the-table methods that frequently only end up making things worse.

I hate heil hochul as much as anyone here. But if someone is in excruciating pain every hour of every day, with no possibility of relief, or having a terminal illness, they should have the choice to go on their own terms.

Just have to make sure the law includes provisions to ensure that it is actually that person's choice, and not something forced on them by money-hungry insurance companies, corrupt and womanizing NY governors, or family members looking to get the estate.

I have watched family members waste away from cancer, and I have a family member who, at this moment, is on the highest legal dose of oxy and it still does not control her pain. She frequently hints that she may go out on her own terms rather than continue to live in excruciating agony.
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I agree and I believe you can find a doctor who can help with this before it gets too bad in most if not all cases.
 
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Robin said:
This is just a toe in the door. It will expand in the middle of the night, incrementally, over the years, till it makes Canada's policy look like a health spa. One need only look a SSA to see how the G morphs things waaaaaaay beyond original wording, because the intent is the end game. I just got a $24.00 SSA raise from a fund I have paid into my entire life, hell, they pay heroine addicts more than I get.
Its not the governments business.
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Correct and I will add the extra protections Hochul wanted added will be voted on soon. Those protections will not pass would be my guess.
 
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While I agree with the intentions as you have stated them, Canada said the same thing when they started their program too.....and now, euthenasia is pushed upon nearly everyone.

As with ALL things, government ALWAYS pushes things WAAAAYYY too far.
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The problem in Canada is that the government runs the program.
Here in the US they just need to quietly allow it, then get the fuck out of people's business.
I watched a news investigation about Canada's assisted suicide. They actually allow, and almost encourage poor people, and homeless to use this service. Not to mention depressed people too. And because the government runs the health care, they are all for it.
If it was just a quiet, and private endeavor between a doctor and the family, it could work. And like mentioned, this does happen here, but the doctors are risking their careers and freedom.
 
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Saltwater60 said:
I agree and I believe you can find a doctor who can help with this before it gets too bad in most if not all cases.
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Unfortunately no doctors will try to get around the max oxy limit that was recently changed. This cut how much she can legally get by a significant amount, and there is no other pain med that even comes close.

Sometimes I think the pain may actually be due to addiction and "not real". Either way it doesn't matter. The pain is real for her.

i dread getting texts or calls from my sister because I expect one to be "she's gone".
 
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Its not that I support it or not. I just believe the government should have no role in this. It is a person, family, doctor, decision.
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Exactly this ^^^^ and you can bet your last dollar that the Only reason that mealy mouth twat whorchul signed the legislation was for monetary reasons. A $20 prescription is a whole hell of a lot cheaper than what the state has to pony up for a hospital bed stay.
 
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She doesn't need to justify it, government should have nothing to do with it. It boggles the mind that people try and defend any laws concerning the most selfish of acts.
 
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Criticalt said:
The problem in Canada is that the government runs the program.
Here in the US they just need to quietly allow it, then get the fuck out of people's business.
I watched a news investigation about Canada's assisted suicide. They actually allow, and almost encourage poor people, and homeless to use this service. Not to mention depressed people too. And because the government runs the health care, they are all for it.
If it was just a quiet, and private endeavor between a doctor and the family, it could work. And like mentioned, this does happen here, but the doctors are risking their careers and freedom.
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Correct and this is disgusting. They are pushing young kids that are mentally ill to do it.
 
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Unfortunately no doctors will try to get around the max oxy limit that was recently changed. This cut how much she can legally get by a significant amount, and there is no other pain med that even comes close.

Sometimes I think the pain may actually be due to addiction and "not real". Either way it doesn't matter. The pain is real for her.

i dread getting texts or calls from my sister because I expect one to be "she's gone".
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This makes sense and I’m sorry to hear that. There should be no limit when on deaths door at the end of life within the last month or something like that. I have no problem with people being eased of their pain.
As stated above my issue is with how it’s been handled. Hochul quoting scripture to justify it, this will lead to more, and her protections being voted on after the fact likely won’t pass.
 
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If you support assisted suicide, you must also support abortion? Are children not born everyday into pain and suffering?

All life is sacred and we are created in the image of God. This bill is anything but Godly, but what do you expect from someone like her.
 
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If you support assisted suicide, you must also support abortion? Are children not born everyday into pain and suffering?

All life is sacred and we are created in the image of God. This bill is anything but Godly, but what do you expect from someone like her.
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Not everyone follows that religion.
You do you, and leave others to their own fates.
 
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Parzival said:
If you support assisted suicide, you must also support abortion? Are children not born everyday into pain and suffering?

All life is sacred and we are created in the image of God. This bill is anything but Godly, but what do you expect from someone like her.
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I find there to be many differences between abortion and adults wanting to end life.

Abortions are done without any permission of the child.

An adult has had a life to contemplate this ending action.

I fully support legalized suicide to those that can comprehend what is happening.
 
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My faith sees nothing wrong with this action. There are great Sagas of people that took the honorable way out.

Brynhildr is a prime example. After Sigurðr's death, Brynhildr, heartbroken and guilt-ridden, ordered a massive funeral pyre for Sigurðr and then threw herself onto it, dying with him to be united in the underworld
 
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The Hávamál, emphasizes the value of life, even with disabilities, stating that "it is always better to be alive" and a corpse is useless. This suggests a general cultural appreciation for life, but did not condemn those who chose to end it under extreme duress.
 
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