Everytime i have filled out a 4473 they call it in. During that phone your name, address, Ss (if provided) and type of gun has been provided to the person over the phone. And as was always suspected, that information is being retained, even though its not supposed to be.
In states such as where I live, if you have a valid CCW, it negates the NICS check. The form gets filled out, but it is NEVER called into the FBI....it just gets tossed into the store's filing cabinet. Hard to believe for you folks behind enemy lines, I know, but that's how things work in Free America.
Just curious what happens to your files when you die? I’m not trying to be morbid but don’t they come and take the files? They can also come look at them if they have an order right? They inspect them when going through your files for the annual inspection or whenever they come right?
Except for the monthly check by the SP, same here in NC.
According to ATF regulations; maintain for 3 years and then destroy. NYS is trying to change the system however. Same if I close the shop; maintain for 3 years and destroy with the OPTION to send to the ATF.
He might have been from Long Island when you mentioned you were from NY.
NY plates, i always look so I can laugh that im not the only one going over the fence. That and the conversation between the sales guy and LI dude about NY laws and the customer showing the card. Small shop so even if you try not to listen you hear other peoples conversations.
No way they are maintained for only three years. I don’t believe it.
ATF guidelines. You have the option to send them to the ATF after. Obtw, the 4473 is a Federal form and considered Federal property.
Thughes and you are mostly correct: With NYS being the point of contact (which is misleading because the Third Party Provider actually doing the Check is in Austin Texas) The NICS information follows Federal Law (See the Brady Act) HOWEVER New York ADDED to the check a requirement for the Dealer to supply additional information consisting of the applicants NY Client ID number (Drivers Licenses) SSN# (optional on the Fed side, required by NY) the Make, Serial Number, Model, and Caliber be submitted, and in the case of an Ammo Check it's essentially the same except they want your occupation, and IIRC (at least at the inception) they wanted an e-mail address and phone number...so other than your Mothers Maiden Name and the Name of your Childhood Pet, they have every piece of Personally Identifying Information on you...and yet there's no abjections due to fear of identity theft.
Pot smokers are not a threat to the establishment. Gun owners are...
Exactly. Soma and Gin for everybody!
