Clay NY's Micron build ~~~~ stalled for the last 3 years

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This piece of crap will never get built, right now, six people are stopping the build LOL NY is so fucked. People keep asking us when we will be able to return and visit? sadly, in all honesty, we will never come back, except to use NY as a means to other states like Maine.

 
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They have now moved forward with this and cut down all the trees to get it moving. The lawsuit is fairly new and this might be a surprise to some but I actually support this lawsuit. They have bypassed tons of things you and I would not be allowed to bend the rules on.
This was slapped together and is a piss poor plan. The water treatment facility was an upgrade the municipality agreed to take on and is woefully unprepared to do this and treat the contaminated water. The cost estimate to upgrade it is something like a billion dollars and they have only set an aside a mere portion of that.
Why is the state allowed to do as they please? A private firm would have never passed the environmental review and been allowed to cut down hundreds of acres of trees and bulldozer multiple wetlands.
This was a bad plan from the start and its using tax payer dollars to poison is and our environment. Look the democrats can’t have it both ways. Giving wealthy businesses is bad or it’s good. Damaging the environment is bad or good. They pick and choose and we need to hold their feet to the fire.
 
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I see it all the time. Government pet projects (either run by .gov or their buddies in the private sector) get all sorts of passes on things like permits and SEQRA and what not. Folks like you and I would be held up for years in litigation if we tried to bypass any of the months long review processes.

And for the record, I'm generally good with needed regulations, particularly those that involve water/wastewater.
 
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Catskillkid said:
I see it all the time. Government pet projects (either run by .gov or their buddies in the private sector) get all sorts of passes on things like permits and SEQRA and what not. Folks like you and I would be held up for years in litigation if we tried to bypass any of the months long review processes.

And for the record, I'm generally good with needed regulations, particularly those that involve water/wastewater.
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Certainly some regulation is needed. My issue is the state makes the rules then breaks them. In this case the water is a big issue for me and I do not think it can or will be treated adequately. There are many other issues that tie into your statement that I support as well. The government should follow all the rules to a T and beyond but they don’t.
 
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They cut the trees because a bat lives there until winter, so when spring hits and the return? I guess the can sleep at a Holiday Inn. A giant water pipe has to be brought down from Lake Ontario, not enough power so new power plants needed.
 
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fresch said:
They cut the trees because a bat lives there until winter, so when spring hits and the return? I guess the can sleep at a Holiday Inn. A giant water pipe has to be brought down from Lake Ontario, not enough power so new power plants needed.
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Generally Trees and vegetation cut down is left on the ground for a full year, else the Bats will return and roost wherever they can find a place where they roosted before, so if you build a new building and they find a hole, that's where they're going to go.
 
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FP1201 said:
Generally Trees and vegetation cut down is left on the ground for a full year, else the Bats will return and roost wherever they can find a place where they roosted before, so if you build a new building and they find a hole, that's where they're going to go.
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I read an article that said they had to kick out that old lady and cut the trees down before April of this year or they would lose all the federal funding. I think it was $38 billion but I’m not sure on the amount. I don’t think there will be any structure for the bats to roost in before the fall. There is a ton of dirt moving and concrete work to do before any structure at all goes up.
Poor bats! I like bats more than democrats.
 
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I read an article that said they had to kick out that old lady and cut the trees down before April of this year or they would lose all the federal funding. I think it was $38 billion but I’m not sure on the amount. I don’t think there will be any structure for the bats to roost in before the fall. There is a ton of dirt moving and concrete work to do before any structure at all goes up.
Poor bats! I like bats more than democrats.
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#batlivesmatter is a movement I can get behind.
 
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so lets look at this from a slightly different POV = regulations

I think the country has pretty much had enough of red tape. Especially when, as you say, regulation for thee, but not for me.

California is learning this lesson right now, on several levels.

One: gas stations had the last 10 years to replace their underground fuel tanks. But the cost is prohibitive, like $2M per station, but the biggest issue is the permitting process, which could take up to a couple years to get through.

Second: the palisades, 6800+ homes burnt, and just 405 homes have been rebuilt. Newscum said he would 'streamline' the permitting process, but the caveat to that is the new rebuilt home CAN NOT be 10% larger than the original structure.

Third, where did the $100M go, that the concert brought in.

All this bullshit applies to NYS as well. same crap, different wrapper. You have to get a permit to take a shit. And that could take months or years to get through
 
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Catskillkid said:
I see it all the time. Government pet projects (either run by .gov or their buddies in the private sector) get all sorts of passes on things like permits and SEQRA and what not. Folks like you and I would be held up for years in litigation if we tried to bypass any of the months long review processes.

And for the record, I'm generally good with needed regulations, particularly those that involve water/wastewater.
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The devil is in the details.

What qualifies as "needed regulations" can vary widely depending on who you talk to. Personally I think maybe 10% of what's out there qualifies.

But, if you ask any official spokesman for any government agency, they'll swear on a stack of bibles that every single line is necessary.
 
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What party is Schumer, Gillibrand and Syr Congressman Mannion?
No more$$$ fun for them........no grift, fraud, kickbacks, sweet heart jobs, nepotism.

All communsts, who when they speak, sound exactly like Iranians; in fact, Iranians and Democrats all lie and sound alike for a reason.....all owned spiritually by Allah and the CCP.............Linda Son may still be running NYS.
 
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Catskillkid said:
#batlivesmatter is a movement I can get behind.
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You know if this plant will do what they are saying maybe it will be worth it. I do love bats and they fascinate me. A mammal that hibernates, flies, and has sonar/radar is impressive. Plus they are cute as all get out.
Now I know we need chips made in the USA but will this happen? Maybe. There’s tons of vacant land in cities all over this could have been done in.
Next thing you know they will be complaining that the temperature increased. Well is anyone surprised? It was a Forrest but now it’s buildings, parking lots, and heat generating equipment. I get we need business and stuff to move forward but there is no thought process behind it. So one has to question is this worth the loss of land, animals, and wetlands. In this case I’m leaning towards no.
Now many are talking about the data centers. Well we need them for business to thrive and innovate.
 
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Saltwater60 said:
You know if this plant will do what they are saying maybe it will be worth it. I do love bats and they fascinate me. A mammal that hibernates, flies, and has sonar/radar is impressive. Plus they are cute as all get out.
Now I know we need chips made in the USA but will this happen? Maybe. There’s tons of vacant land in cities all over this could have been done in.
Next thing you know they will be complaining that the temperature increased. Well is anyone surprised? It was a Forrest but now it’s buildings, parking lots, and heat generating equipment. I get we need business and stuff to move forward but there is no thought process behind it. So one has to question is this worth the loss of land, animals, and wetlands. In this case I’m leaning towards no.
Now many are talking about the data centers. Well we need them for business to thrive and innovate.
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Detroit has lots of vacant lots to set up in. Hell there are old IBM sites all over the Hudson Valley and Southern Tier that could hosted this site imo.
 
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Detroit has lots of vacant lots to set up in. Hell there are old IBM sites all over the Hudson Valley and Southern Tier that could hosted this site imo.
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Buffalo NY has tons as well as Niagara Falls. Tons of water around here as well. It’s really not that hard to accomplish this without huge environmental impact.
 
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At least 50 mostly new chip plants are now operating in the USA funded by the Chips ACT.

Micron in Idaho, as mentioned will be operational in 2026.

Micron Syracuse was a DNC scam/plan to steal billions for the DNC..........

Schumer, Mannion and Hochu,l are holding their dicks and covering their asses as Trump fucks them all over.......... and is laughing.
 
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This was DOA. Unions to build, unions to run means additional cost that can’t compete. Directed land appropriation added to it.
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The county had been buying up land here with tax payer dollars for years.
they did the same in my county with an old steel plant and the geniuses put solar there. Prime business area and there is solar there?? I’m sure it’s contaminated but always had buildings there and it was storage that burnt down. Stupid decisions.
 
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