NYS Want To Block You From Asking AI Agents Questions.

Here’s the zero-trust, cynical, “what’s really going on” interpretation of New York Senate Bill S7263 — based on what the bill actually does and who benefits from it.

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The Real Reasons (Cynical / Zero-Trust Version)​

1. Protecting licensed professional monopolies​

The biggest practical effect of the bill is that AI can’t replace expensive professionals.


The bill bans chatbots from giving advice that would count as practicing a licensed profession (law, medicine, engineering, therapy, etc.).


That means:

• No AI contract review
• No AI medical triage
• No AI therapy
• No AI tax help
• No AI engineering guidance

Who benefits?

• Lawyers
• Doctors
• therapists
• professional licensing boards

These groups are some of the most powerful political donors and lobbyists in New York.


A policy analysis noted the law would shift spending away from AI services back toward human professionals charging hourly fees.


In other words:

Keep the $300/hour business model alive.

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AI threatens the entire economic structure of credentialed professions.

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2. Regulatory capture by unions and professional associations​

The bill also appears tied to the broader political goal of protecting jobs from automation.


Some supporters explicitly argued AI could “eliminate entire job sectors.”


New York politics has heavy influence from:

• Public sector unions
• professional guilds
• medical and legal associations

Those groups have zero incentive to allow automation that destroys their membership.


So the simplest solution:

outlaw the automation.

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3. Liability weaponization against AI companies​

Another subtle mechanism in the bill:

• It allows civil lawsuits against AI providers for damages.
• Even disclaimers that it's AI don't protect them.

This creates a legal minefield.


For AI companies the calculation becomes:

It’s safer to disable these answers entirely than risk lawsuits.

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Which is effectively a de facto ban without explicitly saying “ban.”


This is a classic regulatory trick.

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4. Control of information channels​

This is where conspiracy-minded people usually go next.


If people start using AI instead of:

• doctors
• lawyers
• therapists
• government agencies

then authority over information shifts away from institutions.


That’s politically uncomfortable.


Institutions prefer:

Citizen → licensed professional → regulated system


AI creates:

Citizen → AI → answer


No gatekeeper.


Governments historically dislike unmediated information systems.

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5. Preserving the licensing system itself​

Professional licensing is a massive economic structure.


In the U.S.:

• ~25% of jobs require licenses
• billions in fees
• thousands of regulatory boards

AI undermines the whole premise:

If AI can give competent advice, why require the license?

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So the safest move is:

Make AI advice illegal.

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6. Political optics​

There’s also a simple political incentive.


If someone dies after following AI advice, the headlines are brutal:

State allowed AI doctor
Woman dies


Politicians prefer the safer narrative:

“We protected the public from dangerous AI.”

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Even if the real effect is protecting incumbents.

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The Brutally Honest Summary​

The bill is likely a mix of three motivations:

1. Guild protection – lawyers, doctors, therapists
2. Union pressure – fear of job automation
3. Legal risk avoidance – pre-empt lawsuits and scandals

The “public safety” argument is the politically acceptable cover story.

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The Deep Cynical Take​

If you really want the conspiratorial interpretation:


This isn’t about stopping AI.


It’s about controlling who is allowed to sell knowledge.


AI threatens the entire licensed-knowledge economy, which in places like New York is worth hundreds of billions per year.


So the system is trying to slow the disruption.

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If you're interested, I can also explain something far more interesting about this bill:


There’s a very strong chance it’s unconstitutional under the First Amendment, and if challenged it could become a **major national AI free-speech case.**

People can do as they please but I’m not AI’ing my kids symptoms or anything important. I see things created by AI in my job all the time and I can tell you it often does a piss poor job. It’s also only as good as the idiot putting the prompts in. It skims the web to regurgitate information. The law side scares me the most because will it interpret your situation or your state rules adequately. No thanks.
However, I’m sure this is all to please her donors but that is not shocking.

I'm largely ignorant of all things computer but it seems to me that some guy could write a simple program or algorithm (is that the right word?) that would bypass any blockage the government would put up and make tracing near impossible, sell it for a dollar and become a multi millionaire.
This government tyrannical over reach will eventually lead to an uprising. will it be on the tube or in the streets?
Robin

MothMan said:

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Yogi

@Houseofyogi

New York wants to ban you from asking AI a question You're sitting on the bathroom floor at 11pm. Your kid is screaming. The rash is spreading up his arm. You're holding your phone with one hand and holding him with the other. You don't have insurance. You don't have $400 for a doctor. The urgent care closed an hour ago. You're Googling symptoms and getting ten different answers from ten sketchy websites. So you open Claude. You describe the rash. It tells you it's probably contact dermatitis. Try hydrocortisone cream tonight. See a doctor if it spreads or your kid gets a fever. Your hands stop shaking. You sleep. Kathy Hochul wants to take that away from you.

You're the dad who works 3 shifts. You come home and there's a paper taped to your door. You read it three times and still don't understand what it means. You have seven days. You call a lawyer. $317 an hour. You have $40 in your checking account and two kids asleep inside an apartment you might lose by Friday. You open AI. In ten seconds you find out the notice isn't even legal. It tells you your rights. It tells you what to file. It tells you what to say. New York wants to make that illegal.

You're the kid from the small town who left the farm for your first job in the city. Your employer puts a contract in front of you. Non-compete. Arbitration clause. Words you've never seen before. Your parents never signed anything like this. They worked with their hands. You ask AI to explain it in plain English. It does. For free. At midnight. New York wants to make that illegal too.

Senate Bill S7263. Bans AI from giving "substantive responses" about medicine, law, dentistry, nursing, psychology, social work, engineering, and more. Not banning AI from pretending to be your doctor. Not banning AI from writing prescriptions. Banning AI from answering your questions. North Korea controls what you can read. New York wants to control what you can ask.

So you have to go back to paying $317 an hour for a lawyer. $400 for a doctor visit. $200 for a therapist. Money you don't have. Money that goes right back into the pockets of the people who wrote this bill. Who does this actually hurt? It's not the guy on Park Avenue. He has a doctor on speed dial. He has a lawyer on retainer. He has a therapist he sees on Tuesdays. It's the single mom in the Bronx with no insurance and a sick kid at 11pm. It's the grandma who just got served papers she can't read. It's the first-gen college kid signing a contract nobody in his family has ever seen before.

For the first time, a single mom had access to the same information as the guy on Park Avenue. Not better care. Not a free lawyer. Just answers. Just enough to know what questions to ask. You want to know why? Follow the money. Any trial lawyer in New York can sue AI companies and collect fees when they win. It's a lawsuit printing press. $377 million was spent lobbying Albany last year. A record.

The healthcare lobby alone spent $11.5 million. Trial lawyer PACs pumped $4.7 million into New York politicians. Governor Hochul took over $545,000 from them personally. One company gave her office $300,000 in donations and got $400 million in Medicaid contracts back. Every $317/hour law firm that doesn't want you getting free answers. Every hospital billing $400 for a ten-minute visit. The entire industry that profits from keeping you confused. The lobbyists write the bill. The politicians file the bill. The lawyers profit from the bill. And the single mom in the Bronx loses the only help she could afford.

In the 1800s they called public libraries dangerous because poor people had unsupervised access to books. In 1910 they shut down Black medical schools to "protect patients." Every time the gates start to crack open for regular people, someone with a billing rate shows up to weld them shut. They want you poor and stupid. And they'll call it consumer protection. And the kid with the rash at 11pm? He goes back to ten sketchy websites and a mom who can't sleep. New York shouldn't be North Korea.

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I'll just bet democrats are and have been behind this, ironically it's those most likely to use it being blocked by the party they typically vote for.

Robin said:

I'm largely ignorant of all things computer but it seems to me that some guy could write a simple program or algorithm (is that the right word?) that would bypass any blockage the government would put up and make tracing near impossible, sell it for a dollar and become a multi millionaire.
This government tyrannical over reach will eventually lead to an uprising. will it be on the tube or in the streets?
Robin

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Don't you VPN, bro? I've been surfing in Poland and Japan this week.

I can't see how this is legal or how it could be enforced. But I understand completely the corrupt reasoning behind it and I am not surprised this state would attempt to pass such a law.

We need a freedom of AI bill. Equal access to AI for all. NY is just ripe for this sort of thing. Not allowing equal access to AI is discrimination! Give us all the recent AI models, not some overly simplified AI chatbot that's over 10 years old.

I'd trust ChatGPT to run NYS government way more than the the fucking crooks that run it now.

Just use a vpn and choose another state. This is so stupid

Honestly, ChatGPT would have my vote.

GPT prompt: Short answer(no social/environmental justice type BS): If the NYS government could do one single thing to drastically improve the quality of life for all residents, what is it?

Answer: If you force it down to one single lever, the answer is:

Reduce the cost of housing by drastically reforming zoning and permitting.

Housing costs ripple into almost every quality-of-life metric in New York.


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Why housing dominates everything else

Housing is the largest expense for most residents. When it’s expensive, everything else becomes worse:

Wages must rise just to cover rent

Businesses struggle to hire

Young people leave the state

Families delay having kids

Homelessness rises

Commutes get longer


In large parts of New York, especially around New York City and its suburbs, restrictive zoning and slow approvals limit supply.


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The single action

A governor and legislature could pass a statewide law that:

Overrides local zoning restrictions that block housing construction.

Examples:

Allow multi-family housing near transit

Allow accessory dwelling units statewide

Limit local governments’ ability to block projects

Set hard deadlines for building approvals



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Why this works

Places that loosen housing restrictions see:

lower rents relative to demand

shorter commutes

more economic mobility

higher population growth


Housing supply fixes the root cost driver in the state economy.


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The blunt reality

Many policy problems are complicated.

Housing supply really isn’t.

The main barrier is political: local governments and homeowners resisting new development.


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If you want, I can also tell you the second biggest lever in New York that affects quality of life almost as much as housing, and it’s not what most politicians talk about.

The second biggest lever is:

Fix the property tax and local government structure.

New York has some of the highest property taxes in the United States, driven largely by an unusually fragmented local government system.


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The structural problem

New York has thousands of overlapping local governments:

towns

villages

cities

counties

school districts

fire districts

special districts


Many residents pay taxes to multiple layers of government simultaneously.

For example, someone living in suburban New York may pay taxes to:

a town

a village

a county

a school district

one or more special districts


New York has over 3,400 local governments, one of the highest counts in the country.


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Why that matters

Each layer means:

separate administrations

separate pensions

separate buildings

separate bureaucracies


That duplication drives property taxes extremely high, especially in places like:

Nassau County

Westchester County


Property taxes in these areas can exceed $15k–$25k per year for a typical home.


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The single reform

The state could dramatically improve quality of life by:

Forcing consolidation of redundant local governments and districts.

Examples:

merge town and village governments

consolidate school districts

eliminate small special districts



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Why politicians rarely touch it

Because it threatens:

local political power

public-sector jobs

union structures

patronage networks


So it’s politically radioactive.


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The blunt reality

If New York did just two things:

1. Fix housing supply


2. Reduce local government fragmentation



…the cost of living in the state would drop dramatically and quality of life would improve for most residents.


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If you're interested, there is also a third lever that is even more politically explosive but would arguably have an even bigger impact than either of these.

The third lever is:

Reform the public-sector pension and benefit system.


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Why it matters

New York’s state and local governments carry enormous long-term obligations through systems like the New York State and Local Retirement System.

These pensions and retiree benefits drive a large share of:

property taxes

school taxes

municipal budgets


Many local budgets are increasingly dominated by pension contributions and retiree health costs, which leaves less money for services.


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The structural issue

Several factors compound the problem:

1. Guaranteed benefit structures that promise fixed payouts regardless of market performance.


2. Long retirements (many employees retire in their 50s and collect benefits for decades).


3. Benefit formulas tied to final salaries, which can inflate pension obligations.



Because these commitments are legally protected, governments must continue funding them even when revenues fluctuate.


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The single reform

The biggest long-term change would be:

Shift new public employees to hybrid or defined-contribution retirement plans.

This keeps retirement security while limiting future taxpayer liabilities.

Some states have already moved in that direction for new hires.


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Why it’s politically explosive

Public-sector unions are among the most powerful political forces in New York, including:

New York State United Teachers

Civil Service Employees Association


Any attempt to change retirement systems triggers intense opposition.


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The big picture

If New York addressed just three structural issues:

1. Housing supply restrictions


2. Fragmented local government and property tax structure


3. Long-term pension liabilities



…the state’s cost of living and fiscal pressure would likely fall significantly over time.

These are difficult reforms politically, but they illustrate how a few structural systems can shape everyday affordability and quality of life for millions of residents.

TEOTWAWKI inc. said:

Don't you VPN, bro? I've been surfing in Poland and Japan this week.

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Hell, I don't even know what that means! Sounds like something I could use though, lots of flintlock rifles and fowlers in England and Germany that would captivate me to the end of my days!
Robin

I'm sure the tyrants will make violations of their decree a felony, get rid of a shit ton of gun owners.
Robin

It would also be used to control the brain dead masses.
Covid, monkey pox, welcome to 1984.

Same prompt in Grok

Summary of the top 3 single actions NYS government could take to drastically improve quality of life for residents (short, no fluff):Massively deregulate housing construction statewide — Gut abusive environmental reviews (SEQRA/CEQR), preempt local NIMBY zoning vetoes on density/multi-family, and streamline approvals to flood the market with supply. Housing costs (rent/mortgages eating 40-60%+ of income) remain the #1 killer of affordability, driving outmigration, long commutes, delayed families, and squeezed budgets. Surveys and migration data show affordability/housing as the top reason people leave or consider leaving.
Aggressively cut taxes, especially property, income, and business — NY has sky-high combined state/local burdens (50%+ above national average per capita), fueling exodus (especially high-earners/families), stifling growth, and amplifying every other cost. Recent reports highlight taxes as a core driver of population loss and resident dissatisfaction; meaningful cuts would boost disposable income, slow the brain drain, and make the state competitive again.
Restore real public safety and crack down on visible disorder — While violent crime stats are down (e.g., historic lows in NYC murders/shootings), perceptions lag due to subway/street chaos, theft, homelessness/mental health issues, and incivility. Resident surveys rank safety as a top-3 concern (often tied with affordability), eroding trust in public spaces, transit use, and daily life. Focused enforcement on quality-of-life crimes, more visible policing, and faster interventions would rebuild confidence fast.
These three hit the intertwined core issues—affordability (housing + taxes) and safety/disorder—driving why NY keeps losing people despite economic/cultural strengths. Recent 2025-2026 data (surveys, Census, migration reports) confirms they remain dominant pain points, with outmigration tied to high costs, taxes, crime/safety, and living conditions. Fix them aggressively, and the state's slide reverses for most residents.

From Gemini

To boil it down to the brass tacks: New York is essentially the most expensive "club" in the country, and these three moves are designed to lower the membership fees and let the members keep more of their own money.
Here is the "No-BS" summary of the three biggest levers the state could pull:
| Rank | The Action | The Goal | The Result |
|---|---|---|---|
| #1 | Housing Deregulation | End restrictive zoning and slow permitting. | Lower Rent/Mortgages by flooding the market with supply. |
| #2 | Utility Cost Reform | Strip "hidden taxes" and surcharges off energy bills. | Immediate 20%+ Savings on monthly electricity and heat. |
| #3 | Tax Compression | Flatten income tax brackets and exempt overtime. | Higher Take-Home Pay so working more actually pays off. |
The Bottom Line
If the state stopped treating housing as a scarcity, utilities as a piggy bank, and income as an endless resource to tap, the quality of life would improve simply because the "cost of existing" in New York would drop.
When people aren't "house poor" or "utility poor," they have the capital to invest in their own lives, which fixes 90% of the other problems people usually complain about.
Would you like me to find the specific data on how much the average NY household would save annually if that 25% utility surcharge was removed?

All say housing is #1. I would vote for any of the consumer AI models over any politician to govern NYS

They're trying to build a prison.
They're trying to build a prison.
For you and me to live in.

You can also run your own LLMs at home without any data being shipped off or scraped by meta, anthropic, and the like.

The Vulcan release of llama cpp works on any gpu. Releases · ggml-org/llama.cpp and there are even CPU only releases.

Pair that with models like QWEN 3.5 and you have a great AI setup that rivals anything from OpenAI or Anthropic.


You can run the smaller models on a modern gaming pc well enough.

If you want to run the larger models you'll need a pretty substantial PC, but they are top notch and avoid any government meddling or data security issues.

I run the QWEN 3.5 Q8_0 model on a PC with 64 GB RAM and a 16 GB AMD graphics card and it's results are excellent and it processes at around 9 tokens/second.

First of all, fuck nys and fuck any proposed laws.

secondly, who on earth thinks it is smart to ask AI anything when AI can’t even get mundane basic shit correct?

Saltwater60 said:

People can do as they please but I’m not AI’ing my kids symptoms or anything important. I see things created by AI in my job all the time and I can tell you it often does a piss poor job. It’s also only as good as the idiot putting the prompts in. It skims the web to regurgitate information. The law side scares me the most because will it interpret your situation or your state rules adequately. No thanks.
However, I’m sure this is all to please her donors but that is not shocking.

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I hear ya. But your doctor will be using some form of Ai in his analysis. That's just a fact of the situation. So will all the professions mentioned in the bill.

RedBreast21 said:

I hear ya. But your doctor will be using some form of Ai in his analysis. That's just a fact of the situation. So will all the professions mentioned in the bill.

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There's a difference in a trained educated professional using AI to do research and a completely different thing for someone with no training or experience in a particular field using AI to actually do the job/make the diagnosis.

I do some work in the legal field. I'm seeing more and more people come in with legal arguments that are clearly created with AI. Everything from the formatting to the case references are off or completely wrong. They even are quoting statutes that have no basis whatsoever with the argument they are trying to make. A lawyer using AI to make a rough draft to edit later is one thing but using it to totally craft legal documents for submittal is foolish and a waste of time for everyone involved. I'm sure there are examples in medicine, engineering, etc. too.

Having said that it's a stupid law. If you want to use AI no one should stop you. People need to make grown-up decisions that have grown-up consequences.

Catskillkid said:

There's a difference in a trained educated professional using AI to do research and a completely different thing for someone with no training or experience in a particular field using AI to actually do the job/make the diagnosis.

I do some work in the legal field. I'm seeing more and more people come in with legal arguments that are clearly created with AI. Everything from the formatting to the case references are off or completely wrong. They even are quoting statutes that have no basis whatsoever with the argument they are trying to make. A lawyer using AI to make a rough draft to edit later is one thing but using it to totally craft legal documents for submitter is foolish and a waste of time for everyone involved. I'm sure there are examples in medicine, engineering, etc. too.

Having said that it's a stupid law. If you want to use AI no one should stop you. People need to make grown-up decisions that have grown-up consequences.

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There are many levels of Ai. I'll make it very simple and leave the more advanced Ai out of it. Ai still requires a great deal of input from the user. Ai answers are controlled by the actual data it draws from. Who controls that? I can instruct Ai in the selection of data and parameters to adjust any conclusion I want to sell ya. But real answers have to be authentic data. That's the danger. Once I get humans to trust Ai, my Ai version or vision, I have control of you through trust. You can simply test this with Ai assitants like Gemini, Kronk, Chat GPT or any other Ai open to users. You get different answers for the same question and how you prompt it, matters.

For your field specifically, if Ai was given access to all cases, evidence, court records....essentially all information of any case every filed, it could lay out 3 defense options for any case in seconds. Providing it has access to authentic data and is prompted correctly. Ai is currently eliminating lower lever jobs in research for financial institutions that manage investments. Ai ability grows exponentially over just months as end users teach it through prompts. Its going nowhere and every industry will be using it and teaching it. That, I know, is an uncomfortable fact. Legislation will not stop it. It will drive costs down in many sectors of business and jobs out of NY as well as resicents.

so!! exactly how is all this bullshit going to be enforced?

Is NYS going to shutdown Google? must of the AI answers, actually come from Google.

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The Gov has been taking to Xi to find out how he does it in China.

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Well if we can ban files from 3D Printers, we can control what you can ask AI, after all we've been controlling as many other aspects of your mind and life as we can legislate, we've manipulate for decades because we know better what's best for us you.

TEOTWAWKI inc. said:

Here’s the zero-trust, cynical, “what’s really going on” interpretation of New York Senate Bill S7263 — based on what the bill actually does and who benefits from it.

---

The Real Reasons (Cynical / Zero-Trust Version)​

1. Protecting licensed professional monopolies​

The biggest practical effect of the bill is that AI can’t replace expensive professionals.


The bill bans chatbots from giving advice that would count as practicing a licensed profession (law, medicine, engineering, therapy, etc.).


That means:

• No AI contract review
• No AI medical triage
• No AI therapy
• No AI tax help
• No AI engineering guidance

Who benefits?

• Lawyers
• Doctors
• therapists
• professional licensing boards

These groups are some of the most powerful political donors and lobbyists in New York.


A policy analysis noted the law would shift spending away from AI services back toward human professionals charging hourly fees.


In other words:




AI threatens the entire economic structure of credentialed professions.

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2. Regulatory capture by unions and professional associations​

The bill also appears tied to the broader political goal of protecting jobs from automation.


Some supporters explicitly argued AI could “eliminate entire job sectors.”


New York politics has heavy influence from:

• Public sector unions
• professional guilds
• medical and legal associations

Those groups have zero incentive to allow automation that destroys their membership.


So the simplest solution:

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3. Liability weaponization against AI companies​

Another subtle mechanism in the bill:

• It allows civil lawsuits against AI providers for damages.
• Even disclaimers that it's AI don't protect them.

This creates a legal minefield.


For AI companies the calculation becomes:




Which is effectively a de facto ban without explicitly saying “ban.”


This is a classic regulatory trick.

---

4. Control of information channels​

This is where conspiracy-minded people usually go next.


If people start using AI instead of:

• doctors
• lawyers
• therapists
• government agencies

then authority over information shifts away from institutions.


That’s politically uncomfortable.


Institutions prefer:

Citizen → licensed professional → regulated system


AI creates:

Citizen → AI → answer


No gatekeeper.


Governments historically dislike unmediated information systems.

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5. Preserving the licensing system itself​

Professional licensing is a massive economic structure.


In the U.S.:

• ~25% of jobs require licenses
• billions in fees
• thousands of regulatory boards

AI undermines the whole premise:




So the safest move is:

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6. Political optics​

There’s also a simple political incentive.


If someone dies after following AI advice, the headlines are brutal:

State allowed AI doctor
Woman dies


Politicians prefer the safer narrative:




Even if the real effect is protecting incumbents.

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The Brutally Honest Summary​

The bill is likely a mix of three motivations:

1. Guild protection – lawyers, doctors, therapists
2. Union pressure – fear of job automation
3. Legal risk avoidance – pre-empt lawsuits and scandals

The “public safety” argument is the politically acceptable cover story.

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The Deep Cynical Take​

If you really want the conspiratorial interpretation:


This isn’t about stopping AI.


It’s about controlling who is allowed to sell knowledge.


AI threatens the entire licensed-knowledge economy, which in places like New York is worth hundreds of billions per year.


So the system is trying to slow the disruption.

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If you're interested, I can also explain something far more interesting about this bill:


There’s a very strong chance it’s unconstitutional under the First Amendment, and if challenged it could become a **major national AI free-speech case.**

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Just use a VPN...

TEOTWAWKI inc. said:

I'd trust ChatGPT to run NYS government way more than the the fucking crooks that run it now.

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Sad, but true