Constructing AR using fixed-mag lower= "take possession"?

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BlakeLok said:
The NY law for semi-auto rifles states:

It is illegal to purchase or take possession of a semi-auto rifle without a semi-auto rifle license.

Does this include buying a fixed-mag lower through an FFL, a standard AR upper from a website, and attaching the two?

Has this possible loophole been tested in court yet? Any guidance from State Police?
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Update: I am no longer going this route. Kali Key seems the way to go.
 
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Update: I am no longer going this route. Kali Key seems the way to go.
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I personally would not go this route. What is the benefit? Ergonomics on this suck IMO. What is this rifle for? If it’s for hunting get a bolt action hunting rifle as they are much lighter. If it’s for shooting I do not think you’ll like this option.
Also legally speaking this is a super easy swap from the Kali Key to an illegal gun. People were worried about the fixed mag options and being illegal and yet this is the easiest conversion back to a full “assault weapon” out there.
You do what works for you but this is expensive and to me it’s useless.
 
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Saltwater60 said:
I personally would not go this route. What is the benefit? Ergonomics on this suck IMO. What is this rifle for? If it’s for hunting get a bolt action hunting rifle as they are much lighter. If it’s for shooting I do not think you’ll like this option.
Also legally speaking this is a super easy swap from the Kali Key to an illegal gun. People were worried about the fixed mag options and being illegal and yet this is the easiest conversion back to a full “assault weapon” out there.
You do what works for you but this is expensive and to me it’s useless.
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I really like the AR platform and all the possible accessories and changes. Personally i dont mind the extra time it takes to use the bolt action feature, it lets the barrel cool down a little and i dont feel the need to shoot quickly anyway. I like to take my time.
 
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I think you may need the semi-auto permit to buy any semi auto rifle. I've read that by definition the bolt carrier group is considered the semi-auto part of an AR. I recently purchased a Ruger 10/22 and the FFL made me show my semi-auto permit. FYI - I was sighting in an AR at a makeshift target range in a local state forest and a DEC officer came by and questioned me about my AR being very "tactical" in appearance. I assured him and showed him that the magazine was pinned, and it had a 5 shot limiter installed, and the rifle scope, bipod and weapon light were for coyote hunting. After conversing with him awhile he commented about his AR and shared his feeling about the NY Unsafe Act and that Cuomo and Hochul suck. lol
 
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pramaglia said:
I think you may need the semi-auto permit to buy any semi auto rifle. I've read that by definition the bolt carrier group is considered the semi-auto part of an AR. I recently purchased a Ruger 10/22 and the FFL made me show my semi-auto permit. FYI - I was sighting in an AR at a makeshift target range in a local state forest and a DEC officer came by and questioned me about my AR being very "tactical" in appearance. I assured him and showed him that the magazine was pinned, and it had a 5 shot limiter installed, and the rifle scope, bipod and weapon light were for coyote hunting. After conversing with him awhile he commented about his AR and shared his feeling about the NY Unsafe Act and that Cuomo and Hochul suck. lol
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pramaglia said:
I think you may need the semi-auto permit to buy any semi auto rifle. I've read that by definition the bolt carrier group is considered the semi-auto part of an AR. I recently purchased a Ruger 10/22 and the FFL made me show my semi-auto permit. FYI - I was sighting in an AR at a makeshift target range in a local state forest and a DEC officer came by and questioned me about my AR being very "tactical" in appearance. I assured him and showed him that the magazine was pinned, and it had a 5 shot limiter installed, and the rifle scope, bipod and weapon light were for coyote hunting. After conversing with him awhile he commented about his AR and shared his feeling about the NY Unsafe Act and that Cuomo and Hochul suck. lol
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Can i ask which state forest? You can PM me.
 
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This is common practice at gun ranges too, by range Officers, due to INS issues.................

No illegal, or legally questionable guns, without the AW license may be fired, is common practice. Range Officers may be retired or off duty LE.


AW hunger is real....................get a NYS compliant AR, and blast away.
 
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No AR bolt carrier ever made, is the semi auto part or a "gun or firearm".
Show me the serial number

It is the serial numbered, and MFG marked, AR lower receiver, that is a semi automatic gun.

Existing semi you may own were grandfathered.....maybe.
NYS is a big maybe state.
 
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Zerex said:
No AR bolt carrier ever made, is the semi auto part or a "gun or firearm".
Show me the serial number

It is the serial numbered, and MFG marked, AR lower receiver, that is a semi automatic gun.

Existing semi you may own were grandfathered.....maybe.
NYS is a big maybe state.
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This is completely incorrect.

while the lower receiver is classified as the firearm and requires a serial number (if not home made, except in the communist states), the lower receiver itself does not determine/ mandate what type action it is classified as, that is determined by the upper receiver attached to it. In fact that stripped Lower receivers are classified as an “Other” on the Form 4473 and no action or caliber is listed on the 4473 at time of sale.

the fact there are factory bolt action, muzzle loader, and pump action uppers receivers built for/on AR receivers disproves your post.


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Semi-auto action refers to a firearm mechanism that automatically loads a new cartridge into the chamber after each shot, but requires the shooter to pull the trigger for each individual shot fired.

Tell me how a lower receiver (the serial numbered part) by itself is going to do that?
 
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Buy one in NYS, today, without a semi endorsement....................

Sovereign Citizen reasoning will get the naieve without a Semi endorsement frustrated, quick.
 
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Buy one in NYS, today, without a semi endorsement....................

Sovereign Citizen reqsoning will get the naieve without a Semi endorsment frustrated, quick.
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What you can and cannot do in The People’s Republic of New York at the FFLs who are scared of their own shadow, is irrelevant, your statement is completely false.

I just verified with the FFL in NY I did business with for 20 years and she confirmed Stripped AR lowers are still transferable without a Semi Auto endorsement. Your latest post is more BS and fear mongering.

I am having trouble determining if you are just full of ignorant babble or a deliberate troll.
 
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Zerex said:
Buy one in NYS, today, without a semi endorsement....................

Sovereign Citizen reqsoning will get the naieve without a Semi endorsment frustrated, quick.
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This is really just trolling at this point. You fail to engage with anyone disproving your statement and just stick to saying the same nonsense over and over.
 
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