First-in-the-nation gun safety pilot program involving health care providers expands across New York state

Deplorable Me said:

First-in-the-nation gun safety pilot program expands across New York state

The program works to equip health care providers who work in hospitals with training to assess firearm injury risk.

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"Patients 12 and older who volunteer can be screened and could be offered safety resources and referrals."

12 years old volunteer? Sounds like political indoctrination at another level. AKA grooming. Teach your children well.

Now read between the line. This is NY, how are they going to abuse this?

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12 years old in NYS is the age where they kick parents out and let children make their own health care decisions. Trans care, abortion and a few other things. What could go wrong.

So, let me get this straight - we're going to give a bunch of pre-teens a few trigger locks and ask them to be nice ? Then everything is going to magically get better ?

Um....I thought 12 year olds couldn't own guns. I mean, lots of us did at that age, especially those of us that grew up where livestock outnumbered people by 5:1, but as a general rule.

Follow the money on this one....millions will be spent, and 99% will find it's way into some democrat election slush fund for sure.

New York loves that "first in the nation" line.

Spoiler: There's probably a reason you're the first.

"NY Introduces First Submarine With a Screen Door!"

"extreme risk protection order support".

This should go well. Emotional 12-17 year old kids can now "red flag" their parents when they get angry.
Remember, a health care professional can have your firearms "temporarily" removed from your home with one phone call.
An angry 12 year old in the ER now has help from a 2 year vocational school LPN to disarm you.
"Why are you sad youngster?"
"My daddy is mean"
"Does daddy have guns?"
"Yes"
Boom, guns removed for saftey. Good luck getting them back.

Criticalt said:

"extreme risk protection order support".

This should go well. Emotional 12-17 year old kids can now "red flag" their parents when they get angry.
Remember, a health care professional can have your firearms "temporarily" removed from your home with one phone call.
An angry 12 year old in the ER now has help from a 2 year vocational school LPN to disarm you.
"Why are you sad youngster?"
"My daddy is mean"
"Does daddy have guns?"
"Yes"
Boom, guns removed for saftey. Good luck getting them back.

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I’m worried this very thing will happen to a friend of mine.
He has an adopted daughter they got when she was a few days old. Fetal alcohol syndrome and a long history of mental illness in ther biological family. She is currently going around telling people how unsafe her house is because she’s aggressive and got in her mom’s face. Her mom raised her hand and said back off or I will make you. Now she’s saying how unsafe her mom and dad are. The mother and father have done everything for this girl. Counselor after counselor. Psychiatrists, in patient mental health, eating disorder clinics costing thousands. Eating clinic was in patient in Baltimore and the mom moved down there for a few months. She does all sorts of harmful behavior and causes them tons of headaches.
She’s 18 now so she tells all the counselors how mean her parents are and how they are Christian’s so they indulge her because she’s now trans. It’s a mess.

Saltwater60 said:

I’m worried this very thing will happen to a friend of mine.
He has an adopted daughter they got when she was a few days old. Fetal alcohol syndrome and a long history of mental illness in ther biological family. She is currently going around telling people how unsafe her house is because she’s aggressive and got in her mom’s face. Her mom raised her hand and said back off or I will make you. Now she’s saying how unsafe her mom and dad are. The mother and father have done everything for this girl. Counselor after counselor. Psychiatrists, in patient mental health, eating disorder clinics costing thousands. Eating clinic was in patient in Baltimore and the mom moved down there for a few months. She does all sorts of harmful behavior and causes them tons of headaches.
She’s 18 now so she tells all the counselors how mean her parents are and how they are Christian’s so they indulge her because she’s now trans. It’s a mess.

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18 years old, time for her to move out. From what you wrote, they have tried their best and now it's time to cut her loose before she destroys them!

repete said:

18 years old, time for her to move out. From what you wrote, they have tried their best and now it's time to cut her loose before she destroys them!

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The hard thing is that she has so many issues she can’t make it on her own. She has major decision-making and impulse controls. She is 18, but has the ability and decision-making skills of about a 13 year old. They are looking at getting her placed somewhere and emancipated. Kind of like a group home with supports for her. it’s not easy because social security doesn’t identify fetal alcohol syndrome as a recognized disability.
If they kick her out she will not make it. She will end up being sexually abused and possibly a drug addict. Her safety and life would be in danger. She would likely end up dead in short order and they can’t handle that. This is the catch and why they struggle so badly. Fantastic people but it’s tearing them up.

Saltwater60 said:

The hard thing is that she has so many issues she can’t make it on her own. She has major decision-making and impulse controls. She is 18, but has the ability and decision-making skills of about a 13 year old. They are looking at getting her placed somewhere and emancipated. Kind of like a group home with supports for her. it’s not easy because social security doesn’t identify fetal alcohol syndrome as a recognized disability.
If they kick her out she will not make it. She will end up being sexually abused and possibly a drug addict. Her safety and life would be in danger. She would likely end up dead in short order and they can’t handle that. This is the catch and why they struggle so badly. Fantastic people but it’s tearing them up.

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My wife an i would have signed the emancipation papers and put all her shit on the curb.
Sometimes ya just gotta man the fk up and get it done. Better luck next time.

repete said:

18 years old, time for her to move out. From what you wrote, they have tried their best and now it's time to cut her loose before she destroys them!

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THIS RIGHT HERE!!!! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Tisto said:

So, let me get this straight - we're going to give a bunch of pre-teens a few trigger locks and ask them to be nice ? Then everything is going to magically get better ?

Um....I thought 12 year olds couldn't own guns. I mean, lots of us did at that age, especially those of us that grew up where livestock outnumbered people by 5:1, but as a general rule.

Follow the money on this one....millions will be spent, and 99% will find it's way into some democrat election slush fund for sure.

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Double and triple super secret illegal!
maybe I'm wrong, but I'm thinking there are already Laws with harsh penalties prohibiting kids (teenagers) from touching, accessing, or using (even Hunting) without direct supervision of an Adult, and said adult would be slammed if they somehow failed to secure their guns above any possibility of a non-adult or prohibited person from accessing them.
Remember that nut-job Adam Lanza? the one they claimed murdered all those kids at Sandy Hook Elementary? The story reported said he MURDERED his Mother and gained access to HER RIFLE that was stored in a Gun Safe...Seems like they wanted or tried to go after the Father too, but they just couldn't link him to it because they were divorced and living in separate domiciles.
Wonder if I could get a Contract with the State to distribute Trigger locks/cables bought from China for thirty cents a piece delivered?

So are NY politicians possibly using underage children as their foot soldiers ???

Saltwater60 said:

I’m worried this very thing will happen to a friend of mine.
He has an adopted daughter they got when she was a few days old. Fetal alcohol syndrome and a long history of mental illness in ther biological family. She is currently going around telling people how unsafe her house is because she’s aggressive and got in her mom’s face. Her mom raised her hand and said back off or I will make you. Now she’s saying how unsafe her mom and dad are. The mother and father have done everything for this girl. Counselor after counselor. Psychiatrists, in patient mental health, eating disorder clinics costing thousands. Eating clinic was in patient in Baltimore and the mom moved down there for a few months. She does all sorts of harmful behavior and causes them tons of headaches.
She’s 18 now so she tells all the counselors how mean her parents are and how they are Christian’s so they indulge her because she’s now trans. It’s a mess.

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As a fellow adopted kid, I can say we dont all turn out bad. My brother, sister and I were all adopted as infants. We have the absolute best parents we could have had, and im personally happy my birth mom gave me up. I wouldn't have traded my privileged life for anything. My parents are my REAL parents and they treated us as so. My mom died in 2021, but I see my 86 year old dad every day. We go to lunch, or just hang out. Hes my best friend.
Ok, sorry for the sappy post.

Criticalt said:

As a fellow adopted kid, I can say we dont all turn out bad. My brother, sister and I were all adopted as infants. We have the absolute best parents we could have had, and im personally happy my birth mom gave me up. I wouldn't have traded my privileged life for anything. My parents are my REAL parents and they treated us as so. My mom died in 2021, but I see my 86 year old dad every day. We go to lunch, or just hang out. Hes my best friend.
Ok, sorry for the sappy post.

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I as well, my brother were adopted. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn`t. I`m very happy that your dad is still with you, so sorry about your mom. I wish all great moms & dads could live forever.

JunkBoxFull said:

I as well, my brother were adopted. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn`t. I`m very happy that your dad is still with you, so sorry about your mom. I wish all great moms & dads could live forever.

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Thank you, but she was very sick for a very long time. It was honestly a blessing. But my parents were married for 60 years, now hes in our big family house alone. They always planned to travel the world when they retired. Now my dad goes alone, its kind of sad. In January he went on a 2 week cruise in the Caribbean and Mexico. He went all the way to the Panama Canal. He did this by himself, at 86 years old. I offered to go with him, but he said he would be ok. Dang, im getting emotional.

Criticalt said:

Thank you, but she was very sick for a very long time. It was honestly a blessing. But my parents were married for 60 years, now hes in our big family house alone. They always planned to travel the world when they retired. Now my dad goes alone, its kind of sad. In January he went on a 2 week cruise in the Caribbean and Mexico. He went all the way to the Panama Canal. He did this by himself, at 86 years old. I offered to go with him, but he said he would be ok. Dang, im getting emotional.

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Amazing story man, glad you shared that. Your dad, wow, amazing.

Criticalt said:

As a fellow adopted kid, I can say we dont all turn out bad. My brother, sister and I were all adopted as infants. We have the absolute best parents we could have had, and im personally happy my birth mom gave me up. I wouldn't have traded my privileged life for anything. My parents are my REAL parents and they treated us as so. My mom died in 2021, but I see my 86 year old dad every day. We go to lunch, or just hang out. Hes my best friend.
Ok, sorry for the sappy post.

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That’s great to know. It’s hard because she has great moments but the mental illness and instability always gets her. They tried meds, no meds, all sorts of other treatments. They have sparred no expense in money or time trying to get this girl the help she needs. She so complex a lot of therapists simply turn them away. They have traveled to out of network specialists and tried about everyone locally they could.
The parents are fantastic people. They are maybe a bit strict or rigid and it’s all purely mental illnesses on the daughter’s part.
They recently found her bio mom and dad and it turns out we sort of know the bio dad through some acquaintances. He’s a mess. Can’t really hold a job for long, drinks, does drugs, doesn’t have a drivers license and just has poor decision-making skills. He is odd and has bad mental health as well. Some of the comments and actions are just odd. Tickle wars with his 18 year old daughter?? Come on now.
The daughter has all the mental illness signs and diagnosis’s the mother and father have and some other family members. She has fetal alcohol syndrome and that inhibits development and decision-making skills. She has cut herself, planned out her suicide, and doesn’t eat. Ahe does a lot of self harming behaviors. She has other issues as well and I don’t want to get too specific.
The mother and father are beside themselves because she threatens them and needs to find a new place to live but it’s not safe for her. I give them credit for prioritizing their daughter’s safety over their peace. If you knew this girl you’d know she can’t safely be on her own. There is a lot of pain there on all sides and honestly it’s one of the most difficult and heartbreaking situations I am aware of.

Criticalt said:

Thank you, but she was very sick for a very long time. It was honestly a blessing. But my parents were married for 60 years, now hes in our big family house alone. They always planned to travel the world when they retired. Now my dad goes alone, it’s kind of sad. In January he went on a 2 week cruise in the Caribbean and Mexico. He went all the way to the Panama Canal. He did this by himself, at 86 years old. I offered to go with him, but he said he would be ok. Dang, im getting emotional.

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That’s awesome. They remind me of my grandparents. Great, kind, and gentle people. They were married for 67 years but he died before she did. She wasn’t the same without him for years.
That’s awesome your dad can still travel and gets around that well after retirement. I’m also glad to see you guys have a great relationship. I pray that this family will someday. It’s very complicated and complex for them. I think deep down she knows her parents are good people and maybe in a few years her brain will develop more and she will realize it. Maybe not.
Cherish the moments you have left with your dad but it seems like you are already. Good stuff!!

Saltwater60 said:

That’s awesome. They remind me of my grandparents. Great, kind, and gentle people. They were married for 67 years but he died before she did. She wasn’t the same without him for years.
That’s awesome your dad can still travel and gets around that well after retirement. I’m also glad to see you guys have a great relationship. I pray that this family will someday. It’s very complicated and complex for them. I think deep down she knows her parents are good people and maybe in a few years her brain will develop more and she will realize it. Maybe not.
Cherish the moments you have left with your dad but it seems like you are already. Good stuff!!

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I wasnt the best kid growing up. My parents were absolute saints. My dad was extremely strict. They were both school teachers. My dad taught 6th grade for 52 years, he didnt take crap from kids!
He was the most requested teacher for over 30 years. Former students requested he be their kids teachers. My parents also ran a kids Summer camp for 30 years.
Im not to proud to say, I was a hellion. Smoking, drinking, drugs, keg parties, bad decisions....
I had a DUAI at 18, along with several other charges, including possession of Marijuana, and Criminal Possession Of A Weapon...
Shortly after that, I made a change. My parents told me they would always love me, but at the moment, they really didnt like me. That sounds harsh, and it was. But it changed me. They supported me through everything. Lawyer fees, bail.....they were very disappointed, but were always there.
Within the next year after the DUAI, I applied at Penn State. Graduated PS, then Cornell for grad school where I got my DVM. Then to UC Davis for 2 years of further schooling.
I did this for myself, but my parents were always in my mind.
My point is, people change, especially young people. It took time to fix my life, including getting my 2a rights restored from the weapons charge. All that bad stuff in my life was almost 40 years ago now.

Criticalt said:

I wasnt the best kid growing up. My parents were absolute saints. My dad was extremely strict. They were both school teachers. My dad taught 6th grade for 52 years, he didnt take crap from kids!
He was the most requested teacher for over 30 years. Former students requested he be their kids teachers. My parents also ran a kids Summer camp for 30 years.
Im not to proud to say, I was a hellion. Smoking, drinking, drugs, keg parties, bad decisions....
I had a DUAI at 18, along with several other charges, including possession of Marijuana, and Criminal Possession Of A Weapon...
Shortly after that, I made a change. My parents told me they would always love me, but at the moment, they really didnt like me. That sounds harsh, and it was. But it changed me. They supported me through everything. Lawyer fees, bail.....they were very disappointed, but were always there.
Within the next year after the DUAI, I applied at Penn State. Graduated PS, then Cornell for grad school where I got my DVM. Then to UC Davis for 2 years of further schooling.
I did this for myself, but my parents were always in my mind.
My point is, people change, especially young people. It took time to fix my life, including getting my 2a rights restored from the weapons charge. All that bad stuff in my life was almost 40 years ago now.

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So what was the hellion part you did? Sounds like you had a normal life, we had in the 60-70s. Didn't see car racing,

fresch said:

So what was the hellion part you did? Sounds like you had a normal life, we had in the 60-70s. Didn't see car racing,

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Ohh, there was a lot of car racing. From 86-89 I built and raced dirt track cars with a few friends. But that's not what you meant of course. In 1987 I worked at Ponderosa Steakhouse JUST to have enough money to build a street car. I bought a 79 Camero and joined it with a 427 crate motor a local car builder made and called "Born To Be Wild" engines. Turbo 400 three speed manual, 88mm turbo, 4:11 rear gears, and several other upgrades.
This is a horrible story, but absolutely true.
My friend Shawn, who I just saw yesterday, were sitting on a dirt road in Busti NY drinking a bottle of Segrums 7 whiskey. This was probably 1988, so I was 17 years old.
It was pitch black as we sipped whiskey and listened to GnR, Motley Crue, Poison...all of a sudden there was an explosion of light behind us. It was a sheriff deputy. Without much thought, I slammed the running car in gear and took off. The deputy was in hot pursuit. Once we hit the pavement, the deputy with his puny "Interceptor" engine had zero chance of keeping up. It was about 5 miles of winding roads and hills to Shawn's house. We occasionally saw the cops lights behind us, but he was a mile behind. I have no idea how fast we went, but it was well over 140 mph at times....thats where the speedometer ended, and it was buried.
We got to Shawn's house, put the car in the garage, and hid in the dark house. For the next hour we watched deputies slow rolling all over. Then 2 of them pulled in. One of the deputies recognized the car, and knew it was often parked at Shawn's. Heres the funny part. That first cop never got my plate number. What kind of cop doesn't get a plate number?
Anyways, they knocked on the door, but we stayed silent. The cops were looking in the closed garage. Then one of the cops tried opening the garage door. At that point Shawn's swings the house door open and starts screaming at the cops for breaking in.
Long story shorter....they asked if we were just out driving, we said no, that asked if we were sure, we said positive.
They asked if they could see the car up close.....Shawn says "SURE". I was like "what the fuck!!"
The first cop in, a Sargent, immediately felt the hood. The car was still pinging from the heat. The hood was very warm. The Sargent smiled, and said, "you haven't been driving?" We said "NO".
He asked if we were just hanging out for the rest of the night, we said absolutely. He said, "have a good night fellas". They all left, but drove by every 15 minutes for awhile.
Now they had my plate number, so I had to be good for a couple months. I sold the car shortly after because my interest had changed, and I already had bought a 1982 Toyota 4x4 truck.

fresch said:

So what was the hellion part you did? Sounds like you had a normal life, we had in the 60-70s. Didn't see car racing,

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Another story isn't really mine, but will give you an idea of our lifestyle.
In the late 80s many of us had muscle cars. There was a quarter mile strip on Baker Street in Busti NY where we raced. Sometimes there were a dozen cars there.
One time Pete in his built 1970 Chevelle, challenged Tony in his 1986? modded Mustang GT to a pink slip race.
Petes car was much faster, Tony's car was quicker, but a 1/4 mile is tough for both. An 1/8 mile is great for Tony's quick car. 1/2 mile would be great for Petes fast car. So the 1/4 mile is a killer for street dragging.
The one thing that decided the race was that Tony was a much better driver. Tony won pretty definitively. When it came to Pete giving his car to Tony, Pete refused. Tony got angry, a knife came out, and Pete ended up with stitches. No cars ever changed hands, and Pete forever was an asshole.
I had both of their last names in this post so people could harass them on Facebook. But I rethought that idea and removed last names.