What if Supreme Court overturns AW & big magazine ban?

B

BlakeLok

.38 Special
Messages
49
Reaction score
15
Location
central mass
What happens in NY and possibly the other Blue states if/when Supreme Court overturns the ban on assault weapons and high capacity magazines?

The state will simply change the law so that possession/purchase of such things must depend on an endorsement on your CCW, just as what they did in 2022 with semi-auto rifles. Or you go through the same background check process.
 
FP1201

FP1201

.338 Win Mag
Messages
7,266
Reaction score
11,964
Location
Adams, NY
On it's face one would think that Case Law settled outside of New York would hold sway, but it's not likely. Unless and until anti-gun Laws written in NY can be brought before SCOTUS, cases won in DC, CA, IL, etc. will be ignored by the State AG. The only hope and salvation for NY would be a complete replacement of the Legislature and Governor with Republican/Conservatives, ones with actual functional testicles and a spine to carry them....probably see the end of the World before that ever happens.
 
C3D

C3D

.338 Win Mag
Messages
5,460
Reaction score
9,989
Location
Behind Enemy Lines
That a big "what if". You can be sure the current SCOTUS has no interest in taking a case that would do so. They have had numerous chances to grant cert on these issues and consistently refuse, much to the consternation of Justice Thomas.
 
FP1201

FP1201

.338 Win Mag
Messages
7,266
Reaction score
11,964
Location
Adams, NY
"What if" can be summarily answered by the CCIA.
NYSRPA with a $2.5 Million Dollar infusion from the "does nothing for NY" NRA took NYS/NYC to SCOTUS and after the State LOST they enacted with an emergency message of necessity the Carry Concealed Improvement Act (which was already written in anticipation of losing in Court) and passed without Public commentary, input, or review.
For the life of me, I can't imagine the State losing at SCOTUS and not pulling the same shit again for Magazines and "Assault Weapons", hell, this time they'll include .50's and "Sniper Rifles".
 
Saltwater60

Saltwater60

20×102mm Vulcan
Messages
37,445
Reaction score
41,730
Location
Western NY
C3D said:
That a big "what if". You can be sure the current SCOTUS has no interest in taking a case that would do so. They have had numerous chances to grant cert on these issues and consistently refuse, much to the consternation of Justice Thomas.
Click to expand...
Didn’t Bret Kavanaugh say they would take this up this coming term? I mean I’m not sure I believe it but that’s what they said. I think they were waiting for a few to work their way through the lower courts to create a split.
As for what the state can or will do will be based on how the Supreme Court rules and what is stated in that ruling.
However the Supreme Court has already stated and rules that permits and licenses is constitutional but can’t be overly burdensome or costly. So yes to the OP it will likely be that some sort of permit will be required for new purchases. To me that’s why it’s important to have one now so when the ruling comes down you can covert and then likely be grandfathered in.
 
C3D

C3D

.338 Win Mag
Messages
5,460
Reaction score
9,989
Location
Behind Enemy Lines
Saltwater60 said:
Didn’t Bret Kavanaugh say they would take this up this coming term? I mean I’m not sure I believe it but that’s what they said. I think they were waiting for a few to work their way through the lower courts to create a split.
As for what the state can or will do will be based on how the Supreme Court rules and what is stated in that ruling.
However the Supreme Court has already stated and rules that permits and licenses is constitutional but can’t be overly burdensome or costly. So yes to the OP it will likely be that some sort of permit will be required for new purchases. To me that’s why it’s important to have one now so when the ruling comes down you can covert and then likely be grandfathered in.
Click to expand...



I would most sincerely hope you're right, and that the Supreme Court will issue a proper decision in line with the Second Amendment and Bruen.

But sadly I think that some of the key Justices are more interested in perpetuating their social standing within the Swamp than they are doing the right thing.
 
Criticalt

Criticalt

.338 Win Mag
Messages
8,733
Reaction score
16,582
Location
WNY
First of all, it will not happen.
Second, "assault rifles" are not banned in NYS. You can go buy one today. Unless the court addresses the "features" aspect, this would do nothing for NYS.
The only cases ive seen before the courts are full out "assault weapon" bans, like in Illinois and.....ummm....Maryland???
Anyways, AR-15s, AK-47s....can all be purchased legally in NYS right now. Heck, Runnings has S&W M&P AR-15s right now for around $500.....or they did recently.
So if the SCOTUS says "assault weapons" cannot be banned, we stay the same. SCOTUS cases are generally very precise. They probably won't rule on the firearm and all the features in one case. First they rule on the gun, then other cases will need to go through years of bullshit to deal with the cosmetic features.
I may be wrong, but the cases ive seen only deal with the firearm.
 
B

BlakeLok

.38 Special
Messages
49
Reaction score
15
Location
central mass
Seems SCOTUS is waiting for an all-inclusive AWB/HCM case to fully go through the whole federal appeals process.

Anyone think Im wrong that NY will simply add an endorsement for AWs, HCMs to the existing license regime like what they did in 2022 with semi-autos?

I think they also may add a liability insurance requirement. Just to be annoying.
 
FP1201

FP1201

.338 Win Mag
Messages
7,266
Reaction score
11,964
Location
Adams, NY
dsdmmat said:
What SCOTUS needs to do is say, all state gun laws that restrict ownership or possession or carry of guns and gun accessories is unconstitutional therefore null and void.
Click to expand...
If James Madison came back in the flesh and told all of them to their face exactly what it means, they'd still find a way to bastardize it with mental gymnastics...they Cannot and Will Not, allow the Second Amendment to stand as "...Shall Not Be Infringed."
Tell me I'm wrong.
 
Last edited:
Beerman

Beerman

6.5 Creedmoor
Messages
2,199
Reaction score
3,376
Location
Deep in the Adirondacks
BlakeLok said:
What happens in NY and possibly the other Blue states if/when Supreme Court overturns the ban on assault weapons and high capacity magazines?
Click to expand...
Not sure what it will mean for me, but I feel pretty certain that you still won’t own an AR patterned rifle of any type, no matter who tells you, shows you, demonstrates for you or hands you documentation stating that it is lawful.
 
Drinkthekoolaid

Drinkthekoolaid

.475 A&M Magnum
U.S. Military
Messages
16,853
Reaction score
30,034
Location
Unfortunately, NY
Well in the hypothetical land where leprechauns riding unicorns go fishing for Nessie, in that case my wife would be big mad at me because I would have a hard time exercising self control with my credit card.

Luckily for me, I don't see that situation occuring.

Scotus needs to very clearly and plainly say any state/town/county/municipality that is making more restrictive gun rights than federal law are null and void. That's what needs to happen.

But it won't.
 
Saltwater60

Saltwater60

20×102mm Vulcan
Messages
37,445
Reaction score
41,730
Location
Western NY
BlakeLok said:
Seems SCOTUS is waiting for an all-inclusive AWB/HCM case to fully go through the whole federal appeals process.

Anyone think Im wrong that NY will simply add an endorsement for AWs, HCMs to the existing license regime like what they did in 2022 with semi-autos?

I think they also may add a liability insurance requirement. Just to be annoying.
Click to expand...
I don’t disagree there would be some sort of licensing scheme placed upon us by NYS. SCOTUS said licensing and permits are acceptable. What it would look like is anyone’s guess.
 
J

JRtraderny

.308 Win
Messages
2,743
Reaction score
1,595
Location
USA
dsdmmat said:
What SCOTUS needs to do is say, all state gun laws that restrict ownership or possession or carry of guns and gun accessories is unconstitutional therefore null and void.
Click to expand...
I thought this decision took care of that .
What was the most significant result of the ruling in Marbury v. Madison brainly?


It established judicial review as a key function of the judiciary, ensuring that no law or executive action could stand if it violated the Constitution, thereby maintaining the principle of checks and balances within the government.
 
Last edited:
F

fresch

.338 Win Mag
Messages
8,959
Reaction score
11,859
Location
Syracuse
My guess is that it turns into the wild west and we all die. Well isn't that what we are told?
The democrats will add new "laws" that will take 78 yrs. to overturn.
 
JunkBoxFull

JunkBoxFull

.308 Win
Messages
2,682
Reaction score
4,482
Location
Movin On
dsdmmat said:
What SCOTUS needs to do is say, all state gun laws that restrict ownership or possession or carry of guns and gun accessories is unconstitutional therefore null and void.
Click to expand...
THIS RIGHT HERE!!!!! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Anything else is just flat out unacceptable!
 
Drinkthekoolaid

Drinkthekoolaid

.475 A&M Magnum
U.S. Military
Messages
16,853
Reaction score
30,034
Location
Unfortunately, NY
RedBreast21 said:
Same as whats on a shampoo bottle. Wash Rinse Repeat. :beer: :ROFL:
Click to expand...

I got a joke card when I was like 12 from the store,

On one side it said "how to keep an idiot busy for hours, turn over to find out"
On the other (back) side it said "how to keep an idiot busy for hours, turn over to find out"

I used to give it to people to see how long it would take them to figure it out.
 
Z

Zerex

.308 Win
Messages
3,527
Reaction score
2,701
Location
Rome, NY
Why did SCOTUS ban ghost guns built at home? Why is the 2022 community safety act regarding FFL's and the end of private sales legal?

Why did SCOTUS turn down AW ban case, after AW ban case?
Pocket veto.

Legal in many states, States can restrict Aw's.......and do...........12 now.

SCOTUS is not a machine, that can be made to bow to your will.

It is made up of people who are scared shitless about BLM/ANTIFA/ HAMAS Greenies, arming up with cheap AR's at WaL Mart..................

It is simple survival of society.

Go to another of the 38 other states where you can buy one.
 
dsdmmat

dsdmmat

Donut Master
Moderator
Messages
11,589
Reaction score
26,415
Location
Alpha Quadrant, Sector 001
Zerex said:
Why did SCOTUS ban ghost guns built at home? Why is the 2022 community safety act regarding FFL's and the end of private sales legal?

Why did SCOTUS turn down AW ban case, after AW ban case?
Pocket veto.

Legal in many states, States can restrict Aw's.......and do...........12 now.

SCOTUS is not a machine, that can be made to bow to your will.

It is made up of people who are scared shitless about BLM/ANTIFA/ HAMAS Greenies, arming up with cheap AR's at WaL Mart..................

It is simple survival of society.

Go to another of the 38 other states where you can buy one.
Click to expand...
So for the misinformation in this post:

SCOTUS ruled the ATF has the authority to regulate gun parts kits. They did not ban “ghost guns” (a political term made up to scare the sheep). Federally, It is still legal for an individual to make a home made gun. There is no federal requirement for an individual to place a serial number on a home made gun.

As for why SCOTUS turns down any case. Being spineless cowards is certainly a good theory. SCOTUS has often failed to take up 2A cases and when they do take them their rulings are watered down enough that they solve nothing. So it is a good theory.

If we have to rely on SCOTUS to save us, we are already lost. The communist states that restrict firearms and magazines have been lost due to voter apathy. A majority of them are not coming back from the far left, no matter what the courts rule. The CCIA is proof of that. In a representative democracy you get the government you deserve.
 
JunkBoxFull

JunkBoxFull

.308 Win
Messages
2,682
Reaction score
4,482
Location
Movin On
dsdmmat said:
So for the misinformation in this post:

SCOTUS ruled the ATF has the authority to regulate gun parts kits. They did not ban “ghost guns” (a political term made up to scare the sheep). Federally, It is still legal for an individual to make a home made gun. There is no federal requirement for an individual to place a serial number on a home made gun.

As for why SCOTUS turns down any case. Being spineless cowards is certainly a good theory. SCOTUS has often failed to take up 2A cases and when they do take them their rulings are watered down enough that they solve nothing. So it is a good theory.

If we have to rely on SCOTUS to save us, we are already lost. The communist states that restrict firearms and magazines have been lost due to voter apathy. A majority of them are not coming back from the far left, no matter what the courts rule. The CCIA is proof of that. In a representative democracy you get the government you deserve.
Click to expand...
I agree. We all keep hearing the same old shit from all the youtoobie 2A snobs too, IE: BREAKING NEWS - WE WIN - WE WON. Yet the SCOTUS just continues to kick the can down the road. Me thinks they`re doing it on purpose and delaying everything as if they`re waiting on the demOrats to win, and then pack the court!
 
dsdmmat

dsdmmat

Donut Master
Moderator
Messages
11,589
Reaction score
26,415
Location
Alpha Quadrant, Sector 001
Zerex said:
Yeah, how's your ghost gun build coming? AR? Glock?

www.scotusblog.com

Supreme Court upholds regulation on "ghost guns"

This article was updated on March 26 at 2:04 p.m. The Supreme Court on Wednesday upheld a Biden-era rule regulating so-called “ghost guns” – untraceable weapons without serial numbers, assembled […]
www.scotusblog.com www.scotusblog.com
Click to expand...
I have enough 80% frames and receivers to make a pistol or a rifle a year for the rest of my life.

Once again the Supreme Court did not ban anything. They can’t they are not a law making entity. They decided the ATF can regulate gun parts kits.

Privately Made Firearms | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

Privately made firearms (PMFs) are firearms (including a frame or receiver) that have been completed, assembled or otherwise produced by a person other than a licensed manufacturer. PMFs are also made without a serial number placed by a licensed manufacturer at the time the firearm was produced...
www.atf.gov www.atf.gov

you can ( well NYer’s cannot) buy 80% receiver without shipping to an FFL and without serial numbers.

80 Percent AR Lowers for Sale

Shop our selection of 80% AR lowers with and without finishes or safety engravings to complete your AR-15 setup. Free shipping available on select products!
www.righttobear.com www.righttobear.com

www.1911builders.com

1911 GOVERNMENT FRAME 416R OR 4140 WITH CHECKERED GRIP - 1911 Builders

1911 Builders Government frame is perfect base for building your favorite 1911. Frames are available in finished and unfinished. All finished frames will ship to FFL please allow 2 weeks to process FFL item. Frames are CNC machined from fording’s with a bead blast finish. All frame dimensions...
www.1911builders.com www.1911builders.com

www.80percentarms.com

Polymer80™ PF940V2 FULL SIZE BRIDGE FRAME 76% BLACK

Find 80 lower receivers, 80% AR-15 lowers, jigs, and build parts. Quality machining, fast shipping, and full support for custom builds.
www.80percentarms.com www.80percentarms.com
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top