US and Iran conflict thread. ( merged threads)

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zorro said:
As much as I hate to say it, I think we are already screwed for the mid terms…….

prices
Cost of living
Perceived issues with ICE
Loss of Obama Care subsidies

to name just a few

I really hope I am wrong, but very little
Time to turn these issues around, most of which impact a lot of people in their pockets
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I figure defeating Iran while they're at their weakest point is the #1 priority for now.
Now that the war has started, it has to be won.

The midterms are going to have to take a back seat for now. I'm not saying that's a good thing, but it is what it is.

The midterms almost always go against the party that controls the Presidency anyway.
I'm just saying... :2cents:
 
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They are the primary modules for the LCS fleet (short of the old school helicopter towed sleds like we used in Vietnam) who are not in the theater yet. The aluminum hull Littoral Class ships need, in part, to use these more remote unmanned drone tools since the mother ships are not as robust as the more traditional shock hardened hulls . I believe we were expecting Allies (some of whom have bought our equipment) to step up and clear the 6 mile wide channel.
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There are rumors China is going to ship some weapons to Iran.

We have the opportunity to do the most epic thing if we were to capture some of those mines intact and then covertly reinstall them in the path of the Chinese ships....
 
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zorro said:
As much as I hate to say it, I think we are already screwed for the mid terms…….

prices
Cost of living
Perceived issues with ICE
Loss of Obama Care subsidies

to name just a few

I really hope I am wrong, but very little
Time to turn these issues around, most of which impact a lot of people in their pockets
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There is a rapidly closing window to get this all to a good place. Maybe another month or two before it's too late to salvage the midterms.

But, I don't think it's too late yet.

If Iran is soundly defeated, the strait opened back up, the uranium seized, and oil prices are dropping by sometime in June, I think the midterms could go very well.

But even if all that stuff happens, but takes till September, I think it'll be too late to salvage the midterms.
 
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The Hormuz Get Out Of Jail Card Turned To a Grave
For decades the IRGC relied on its ability to threaten closure of the waterway as its premier economic shield and golden get out of jail card.

Roughly 21 million barrels per day of oil and petroleum products normally transit the strait. That volume accounts for one fifth of global petroleum liquids consumption and one quarter of all seaborne traded oil.

Yet the destinations of those flows expose the asymmetry that ultimately doomed the strategy.

In the first half of 2025 ~89% percent of crude oil and condensate flowed eastward to Asian markets.

China absorbed 37.7 percent of the total followed by India at 14.7 percent South Korea at 12 percent Japan at 10.9 percent and other Asian buyers at 13.9 percent.

Saudi Arabia ramped its East West Petroline to near its seven million barrels per day capacity routing crude to Red Sea terminals at Yanbu.

The United Arab Emirates expanded the Abu Dhabi Crude Oil Pipeline to Fujairah on the Gulf of Oman. Additional overland proposals and expanded export terminals emerged almost immediately.
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President Donald Trump announced a U.S. blockade on the Strait of Hormuz on Sunday.

Trump made the announcement in a post on his Truth Social account, blaming the failure to reach a deal with Iran during talks in Pakistan this weekend

"So, there you have it, the meeting went well, most points were agreed to, but the only point that really mattered, NUCLEAR, was not. Effective immediately, the United States Navy, the Finest in the World, will begin the process of BLOCKADING any and all Ships trying to enter, or leave, the Strait of Hormuz," Trump wrote.

"At some point, we will reach an 'ALL BEING ALLOWED TO GO IN, ALL BEING ALLOWED TO GO OUT' basis, but Iran has not allowed that to happen by merely saying, 'There may be a mine out there somewhere,' that nobody knows about but them. THIS IS WORLD EXTORTION, and Leaders of Countries, especially the United States of America, will never be extorted," Trump continued.

"I have also instructed our Navy to seek and interdict every vessel in International Waters that has paid a toll to Iran. No one who pays an illegal toll will have safe passage on the high seas. We will also begin destroying the mines the Iranians laid in the Straits. Any Iranian who fires at us, or at peaceful vessels, will be BLOWN TO HELL! Iran knows, better than anyone, how to END this situation which has already devastated their Country. Their Navy is gone, their Air Force is gone, their Anti Aircraft and Radar are useless, Khomeini, and most of their 'Leaders,' are dead, all because of their Nuclear ambition," he said.

"The Blockade will begin shortly. Other Countries will be involved with this Blockade. Iran will not be allowed to profit off this Illegal Act of EXTORTION. They want money and, more importantly, they want Nuclear. Additionally and, at an appropriate moment, we are fully 'LOCKED AND LOADED,' and our Military will finish up the little that is left of Iran!" he added.
 
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Washington keeps writing blank checks, politicians keep sending our money overseas, and the media refuses to seriously question any of it — not because it’s complicated, but because it’s profitable.

Profitable for defense contractors, political donors, and a media ecosystem that would rather police what you’re allowed to say than investigate where your money is going.
 
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Steal2B said:
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President Donald Trump announced a U.S. blockade on the Strait of Hormuz on Sunday.

Trump made the announcement in a post on his Truth Social account, blaming the failure to reach a deal with Iran during talks in Pakistan this weekend

"So, there you have it, the meeting went well, most points were agreed to, but the only point that really mattered, NUCLEAR, was not. Effective immediately, the United States Navy, the Finest in the World, will begin the process of BLOCKADING any and all Ships trying to enter, or leave, the Strait of Hormuz," Trump wrote.

"At some point, we will reach an 'ALL BEING ALLOWED TO GO IN, ALL BEING ALLOWED TO GO OUT' basis, but Iran has not allowed that to happen by merely saying, 'There may be a mine out there somewhere,' that nobody knows about but them. THIS IS WORLD EXTORTION, and Leaders of Countries, especially the United States of America, will never be extorted," Trump continued.

"I have also instructed our Navy to seek and interdict every vessel in International Waters that has paid a toll to Iran. No one who pays an illegal toll will have safe passage on the high seas. We will also begin destroying the mines the Iranians laid in the Straits. Any Iranian who fires at us, or at peaceful vessels, will be BLOWN TO HELL! Iran knows, better than anyone, how to END this situation which has already devastated their Country. Their Navy is gone, their Air Force is gone, their Anti Aircraft and Radar are useless, Khomeini, and most of their 'Leaders,' are dead, all because of their Nuclear ambition," he said.

"The Blockade will begin shortly. Other Countries will be involved with this Blockade. Iran will not be allowed to profit off this Illegal Act of EXTORTION. They want money and, more importantly, they want Nuclear. Additionally and, at an appropriate moment, we are fully 'LOCKED AND LOADED,' and our Military will finish up the little that is left of Iran!" he added.
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Seems to me that a pipeline would be cheaper in the long run, hell, the short run too. easier to defend too. Then down the road when Iran starts to ship oil again we can mine the shit out of it.
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Steal2B said:
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President Donald Trump announced a U.S. blockade on the Strait of Hormuz on Sunday.

Trump made the announcement in a post on his Truth Social account, blaming the failure to reach a deal with Iran during talks in Pakistan this weekend

"So, there you have it, the meeting went well, most points were agreed to, but the only point that really mattered, NUCLEAR, was not. Effective immediately, the United States Navy, the Finest in the World, will begin the process of BLOCKADING any and all Ships trying to enter, or leave, the Strait of Hormuz," Trump wrote.

"At some point, we will reach an 'ALL BEING ALLOWED TO GO IN, ALL BEING ALLOWED TO GO OUT' basis, but Iran has not allowed that to happen by merely saying, 'There may be a mine out there somewhere,' that nobody knows about but them. THIS IS WORLD EXTORTION, and Leaders of Countries, especially the United States of America, will never be extorted," Trump continued.

"I have also instructed our Navy to seek and interdict every vessel in International Waters that has paid a toll to Iran. No one who pays an illegal toll will have safe passage on the high seas. We will also begin destroying the mines the Iranians laid in the Straits. Any Iranian who fires at us, or at peaceful vessels, will be BLOWN TO HELL! Iran knows, better than anyone, how to END this situation which has already devastated their Country. Their Navy is gone, their Air Force is gone, their Anti Aircraft and Radar are useless, Khomeini, and most of their 'Leaders,' are dead, all because of their Nuclear ambition," he said.

"The Blockade will begin shortly. Other Countries will be involved with this Blockade. Iran will not be allowed to profit off this Illegal Act of EXTORTION. They want money and, more importantly, they want Nuclear. Additionally and, at an appropriate moment, we are fully 'LOCKED AND LOADED,' and our Military will finish up the little that is left of Iran!" he added.
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This makes this conflict as clear as possible...

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I really want to laugh at it because it is funny, but it's sad that it's funny because there's so much truth in there.

I posted way earlier in this thread that a lot of things didn't make sense to me and I have a lot of questions that I want answered, this video brought them back up, and yet, here we are a month later more of the same. SSDD
 
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Turkish President Erdogan's message to Israel-

"If Israel doesn't stop playing with fire and creates hurdles for peace process in the region, we will make sure Israel learns a good lesson. Any attack on Lebanon and Iran now will be considered an attack on Turkey"


President Erdogan- "On the day of ceasefire, Israel killed hundreds of innocent Lebanese people. Netanyahu is blinded by blood & hatred. If it was not for Pakistan mediating the war between US & Iran, we would have shown Israel it's place."

 
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Drinkthekoolaid said:
I really want to laugh at it because it is funny, but it's sad that it's funny because there's so much truth in there.

I posted way earlier in this thread that a lot of things didn't make sense to me and I have a lot of questions that I want answered, this video brought them back up, and yet, here we are a month later more of the same. SSDD
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Yeah that sums it up very well! And yet people continue to buy the BS Narrative. Love the end where he states. "Are we really that dumb?"
 
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Drinkthekoolaid said:
I really want to laugh at it because it is funny, but it's sad that it's funny because there's so much truth in there.

I posted way earlier in this thread that a lot of things didn't make sense to me and I have a lot of questions that I want answered, this video brought them back up, and yet, here we are a month later more of the same. SSDD
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I think it's pretty simple honestly. Trump was convinced by Netanyahu to attack Iran selling the recent protests against the regime as evidence that the regime was teetering on the edge and a few well placed cruise missiles would finish them off. What he didn't say is that there is no party or group that is capable of taking the place of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard (disarmed citizenry and all...should be a lesson to all about the importance of the Second Amendment but I digress) other than maybe the former Shah's son. But that's a long shot at best (remember the Shah was overthrown for a reason).

Netanyahu doesn't care though. This gives him cover to attack Hezbollah and seize territory in Lebanon and severely weaken Iran (one of their biggest foes). Netanyahu wants war to continue because once it ends then he has to face domestic opposition that could remove his government (that may still happen but for now Israelis are rallying around the flag). Trump bought it hook line and sinker, probably because 1) Netanyahu kissed his ass and told told Trump how great he is and Trump eats shit like that up without realizing that people are pandering to him, and 2) the operation in Venezuela went better than anyone expected and he thought he could do the same in Iran. But it's not the same. The situation is far different with different geography, players, and politics.

Now we're in a situation where the Strait of Hormuz is closed. Oil isn't getting out which is raising prices everywhere. While it's militarily (mostly) defeated Iran is actually stronger politically now than before. They have a stranglehold on the most important waterways and most important substance (oil) on this planet and can name their terms for how this ends. I have no doubt that they will not open up the strait unless they get guarantees that they can develop a nuclear weapon. In a sense I can't blame them. Countries that have nukes don't get invaded (ask Ukraine about that).

This is not Trump doing the "art of the deal" or playing 4-D chess. This is Trump being duped by another nation (a so-called ally at that) and using American blood and treasure to do Israel's bidding. Israel could care less since it's American money that is being spent to prosecute this war. How many billions do we send to Israel in aid? How many politicians on both sides of the aisle take money from AIPAC? Israel takes our funding and then uses it to bribe our politicians for more. If people weren't dying it would almost be laughable. But we're stuck in a rock and hard place now with no way out except boots on the ground. A land invasion is the only possible way to get rid of the IRG. Invading Iran will make Iraq and Afghanistan look like a day in the park. And if China doesn't get its oil it may see no choice but invade Taiwan while they still have some reserves and that'll definitely start World War III. I see no way out of this except giving into all off Iran's demands or doing a land invasion.

I don't say all this to sound defeatist. But I study history and have seen far too many times where generals and politicians say, "Don't worry, the boys will be home for Christmas" but what they don't say is that it'll be Christmas 10 or more years from now if they come back at all. I have a really good friend who is an officer in the Army (currently stationed in Jordan). He survived a missile attack that destroyed his barracks. He's fine but all his stuff is gone. He's acting positive but I don't want to get a call from his mom saying the unthinkable. He already saw that during his tour in Afghanistan. As did far too many American servicemen and women.

I said way back in the beginning of this thread that while I hoped the Iranian regime could be overthrown I suspected that no good would come of this. Enough is enough. I voted for Trump to keep us out of foreign entanglements and I'm furious that he reneged on that promise. When this is all over (hopefully not 20 years from now) we need to think very carefully about who and where we engage our military. We also need to cut off Israel entirely and disqualify every politician that takes AIPAC money. They are by far the worst ally we ever have had and will be the ruin of us all.
 
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Wow, if it wasn't for Israel, U.S. would have been well behaved, non-aggressive, peaceful country. ......and this is all supported by history :)

The origins of U.S. conflict with Iran are rooted in the Cold War and American ideological fanaticism that never forgives and forgets. Israel started out as Soviet client state and was lured away by U.S. financial and military aid.
 
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holdover said:
The thing nobody seems to notice is that if the American economy takes a big shit , like 1929, We cant help them if we wanted too, they are all alone . EU wont help them, We cant help them . It will be a repeat of the Roman slaughter at Massada
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It wouldn't just be the American economy. If we took a hit that bad, the rest of the world is going down too.

If Isreal is facing an existential crisis, they will nuke whoever is threatening them.

But, who would that be besides Iran now ? They have cordial relations with everyone else who used to be their enemy.

Without Iran, there is no Hamas, so maybe peace in Gaza. No Hezbollah, so problems in Lebanon go away. No Houthis either, getting rid of the Iranian threat could bring actual peace in the middle east.

And they *still* wouldn't give Trump the prize.
 
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Without Iran, there is no Hamas, so maybe peace in Gaza. No Hezbollah, so problems in Lebanon go away. No Houthis either, getting rid of the Iranian threat could bring actual peace in the middle east.
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The Zionists have been saying exactly that , Kill all the Muslims in the Mideast and well finally have peace , which is probably one of reasons your all for killing off the Muslims in the Mideast.

They say their shit doesn't stink, but their farts give them away. You convict yourself with your own words
 
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holdover said:
The Zionists have been saying exactly that , Kill all the Muslims in the Mideast and well finally have peace , which is probably one of reasons your all for killing off the Muslims in the Mideast.

They say their shit doesn't stink, but their farts give them away. You convict yourself with your own words
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And the ridiculous hyperbole and straw men never cease.

Hamas is not "all the Muslims in the middle east".

In fact, Isreal is getting along just fine with the *vast* majority of them now.

The only ones that need to die are the ones supporting the Tyrants in Iran. You know, the ones that half the mideast is fighting right now.

Fighting on the side of Isreal no less.

*You* are actually more antisemitic now than Egypt, Jordan, the Saudis, Qatar, the UAE, etc, etc...
 
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