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Saltwater60 said:
That was my kind of point, but it’s not a pulp fiction quote either. It’s not a Bible quote or any scripture in the Bible nor scripture from Pulp Fiction. The bible references talks about the Lord taking care of people or killing those against Israel. Pete isn’t the lord and what he said is not a Bible quote. He used it to justify our actions and the rescue of the pilots. I believe he even mentioned the pilots.
The only quote form the bible or close to it is Ezekiel 25:17.

Here is the scripture from Ezekiel 25:17.
Ezekiel 25:17
King James Version
17 And I will execute great vengeance upon them with furious rebukes; and they shall know that I am the Lord, when I shall lay my vengeance upon them.

There is nothing in Hegseth's speech that remotely resembles it word for word. A quote is word for word. If I’m quoting Hegseth or Pulp Fiction my words would mirror those sources, none mirror each other. Words matter, facts matter. This is not a quote from the Bible or Pulp Fiction. There are similarities, but not quotations.
What Pete is saying here is that our actions and the actions of the pilots are justified by the scripture mentioned. You can argue that if you want and there are valid arguments for and against it. However, there is no argument to show Pete quoted the Bible or Pulp Fiction. His speech format was similar to that of Pulp Fiction, but again not a quote.
Pete, in fact, did wrong and for someone who says they are a Bible believer this is blasphemy at its finest IMO.
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I can’t take you seriously. Your first sentence is a willful denial of facts. Watch the video, watch the movie scene. It’s a quote that CSAR used for the Sandy One mission, and it’s the Pulp Fiction quote word for word, with a pilot featured as the “righteous.”
 
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Saltwater60 said:
I’m not sure what this is getting at here? He quoted the section(chapter and paragraph) of the Bible, but not the verse.
If you research the Bible verse it is about defending and destroying people to attack Jews and that is what could be said we are doing. He never meant to quote the Bible verse as an equation is a word-for-word representation of something.
What he is doing is using this Bible verses as a justification for our actions. I’m sure you could find many Bible verses quotes in many movies. What he’s said only remotely reflects what was said in Pulp Fiction.
Now I do not necessarily support this use because this is the Lord speaking and Pete is not the Lord in anyway.
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Bible Gateway passage: Ezekiel 25:17 - King James Version

And I will execute great vengeance upon them with furious rebukes; and they shall know that I am the LORD, when I shall lay my vengeance upon them.
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GOPerfect said:
No US elected or appointed person in Federal government should be quoting verses out of the bible, real or fake.
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But is "till valhalla" OK ?

I'm OK with expressing their values, to include scripture, as long as they don't require anyone to take it seriously.

The alternative is basically atheism as the official religion, which I also oppose.
 
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“From direct negotiations between the United States and Iran for the first time in nearly half a century… to coordinated diplomatic and military movement across the Middle East, South Asia, and beyond… the old geopolitical order is being replaced in real time. This is not chaos. This is strategy.”


Trump Forces Iran to the Table: The New World Order Takes Shape​


Mike Steger from the Promethean group presents thoughtful analysis of the change President Trump is bringing to a new era in geopolitical alignment. This is an interesting and insightful review.

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Now here is the spin side ...

'It's Not Working': Diplomats Fear Trump's Iran Envoys Are Making Things Worse​


As the Trump administration weighs a second round of U.S.-Iran talks, the failure of negotiations in Pakistan is fueling concern about whether its envoys can deliver a deal.
Former diplomats tell TIME that Jared Kushner and Steve Witkoff, who led the Iran negotiations with Vice President JD Vance, lack the expertise and diplomatic experience needed to secure an agreement. That, they warn, risks prolonging the war and further destabilizing the global economy.
“Iran and the U.S. under Kushner and Witkoff? Failure. They get an F in diplomacy,” said Aaron David Miller, a former US State Department Middle East negotiator who served six secretaries of state.

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'It's Not Working': Diplomats Fear Trump's Iran Envoys Are Making Things Worse

Jared Kushner and Steve Witkoff lack the expertise and diplomatic experience needed to secure a deal, former diplomats warn.
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Folks.... Trump has done more to bring peace to this part of the world than any president in history.



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The triumph of PDJT’s first term was the Abraham Accords. Israel and Arab states made peace and those peace deals are holding up. This was only possible because PDJT defied conventional wisdom and excluded the Palestinians from the negotiations. All the “experts” said this was unwise, but it turns out it was the only way to actually deliver a lasting peace.
The Iran war may become the triumph of the second term. It could end 47 years of war with Iran, end Hezbollah, end the Houthi attacks against Red Sea shipping, end much of the terrorism in the world. This might only have become possible because the Europeans were shut out from interfering. Again all the “experts” said this was unwise, but again it may turn out it was the only way to actually deliver a lasting peace.
The way to overcome a deadlock is to bypass whoever is keeping things deadlocked.
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livingston said:
I don't see an issue with it .....Hell it would not hurt to ask god for a little help at times..
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Except it never seems to stop there. Invariably they decide to start forcing their religious rules on the rest of the Country.

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The alternative is basically atheism as the official religion,
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atheism is not a religion.

And there shouldn't BE an official religion. That was the whole point of the Founding Fathers putting in the 1st Amendment.

People should be free to believe, or not believe, what they want. To live their lives as they see fit, without pressure from others. Regardless if it is one of the many oppressive Abrahamic religions, or Shintoism, or Buddhism, etc.

What was done in 1954 should have long since been undone.
 
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Grimscale said:
Except it never seems to stop there. Invariably they decide to start forcing their religious rules on the rest of the Country.


atheism is not a religion.

And there shouldn't BE an official religion. That was the whole point of the Founding Fathers putting in the 1st Amendment.

People should be free to believe, or not believe, what they want. To live their lives as they see fit, without pressure from others. Regardless if it is one of the many oppressive Abrahamic religions, or Shintoism, or Buddhism, etc.

What was done in 1954 should have long since been undone.
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Atheism is 100% a religion. Just because they try to make it sound sciency doesn't change that.

Their central premise can't be proven any more than any other religion. The non-existance of God and spontaneous creation of the universe is a matter of faith for them.
 
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Not sure why those little Iranian gunboats were not "dealt with" with prejudice.

India has summoned the Iranian Ambassador for some sort of lip lashing. Both the vessels attacked were Indian flagged vessels.

And Hezbollah attacked UN Peacekeepers in Lebanon killing a French Peacekeeper and injuring three others.
 
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I guess we have about two weeks left to flatten them before Congress has to fuck it up.
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That is just what they are holding out for. Then the mid terms, if the democrats win they will wait for the rats to get power. If they don't get power look for more rioting from both the democrats and the anarchist/muzzies, until the next pres election.
 
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Beerman said:
I can’t take you seriously. Your first sentence is a willful denial of facts. Watch the video, watch the movie scene. It’s a quote that CSAR used for the Sandy One mission, and it’s the Pulp Fiction quote word for word, with a pilot featured as the “righteous.”
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Again, there are many similarities, but a quote is word for word. It’s not a quote by definition.
 
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Now the straight is closed again and it is reported that Iran attacked 3 ships. Not good if we can’t keep them from attacking the ships. We need to act now or the straight is closed again. Not a good situation.
We need to either take control of this now, get out(not wise) or demolish their ability to attack as Trump has said multiple times we did that.
 
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It's being reported that the Indian tanker Sanmar Herald was granted permission to proceed by the IRGC, and then the IRGC opened fire on the tanker when it did.

The Indian captain of the Sanmar Herald reported the incident via radio, stating, "You gave me clearance to go. You are firing now! Let me turn around".

I think the so-called peace talks and so-called cease-fire agreements should stop immediately, considering who the US is dealing with. And then continue the bombing. The so-called peace talks and ceasefire certainly aren't working out for anyone but the IRGC.

President Trump needs to stop with the kid's glove routine and go back to bombing the shit out of those assholes. IMHO
 
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Bigfoot said:
It's being reported that the Indian tanker Sanmar Herald was granted permission to proceed by the IRGC, and then the IRGC opened fire on the tanker when it did.

The Indian captain of the Sanmar Herald reported the incident via radio, stating, "You gave me clearance to go. You are firing now! Let me turn around".

I think the so-called peace talks and so-called cease-fire agreements should stop immediately, considering who the US is dealing with. And then continue the bombing. The so-called peace talks and ceasefire certainly aren't working out for anyone but the IRGC. So, bombs away. IMO
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It's stupid for Iran to piss on India's shoes. India is a nuclear power with a huge population that could survive any war of attrition.

India's military budget is almost 10 times greater than Iran's.
 
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spat said:
But is "till valhalla" OK ?

I'm OK with expressing their values, to include scripture, as long as they don't require anyone to take it seriously.

The alternative is basically atheism as the official religion, which I also oppose.
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No chosen religious faith by the elected. No bibles, korans, havamals or torahs when swearing in.
 
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Steal2B said:
It's stupid for Iran to piss on India's shoes. India is a nuclear power with a huge population that could survive any war of attrition.

India's military budget is almost 10 times greater than Iran's.
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I chalk it up to fanatics being fanatical and doing fanatical stuff.

There's no dealing with those people, certainly President Trump knows that.
I'm not sure what he's up to with the peace talks, but I think it's the wrong move considering.

It's complex, and there are other things to consider, like Trump wants/needs the strait open. But still, taking the boot off their neck was/is a bad move on Trump's part. IMO
 
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Bigfoot said:
I chalk it up to fanatics being fanatical and doing fanatical stuff.

There's no dealing with those people, certainly President Trump knows that.
I'm not sure what he's up to with the peace talks, but I think it's the wrong move considering.
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Even if elements of Iran's government evolve (with some leadership less fanatical than the nutcase clerics) and they were willing to negotiate (if only in order to survive), the Revolutionary Guard / Military likely has rogue elements that are not responsive to any semblance of a unified command and probably want to assume power.
 
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Bigfoot said:
It's being reported that the Indian tanker Sanmar Herald was granted permission to proceed by the IRGC, and then the IRGC opened fire on the tanker when it did.

The Indian captain of the Sanmar Herald reported the incident via radio, stating, "You gave me clearance to go. You are firing now! Let me turn around".

I think the so-called peace talks and so-called cease-fire agreements should stop immediately, considering who the US is dealing with. And then continue the bombing. The so-called peace talks and ceasefire certainly aren't working out for anyone but the IRGC.

President Trump needs to stop with the kid's glove routine and go back to bombing the shit out of those assholes. IMHO
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The Indian tanker captain in the Strait of Hormuz explodes in anger over the radio, confronting the Iranian Revolutionary Guard boats: “You gave me clearance to pass! My name is listed as number 2 in your papers! Now you’re firing on me?! Give me a chance to turn around and go back!” This is the reality in the Strait of Hormuz today. The Iranians… as naturally as they breathe… they lie… they betray… and they stab you in the back.
 
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spat said:
But is "till valhalla" OK ?

I'm OK with expressing their values, to include scripture, as long as they don't require anyone to take it seriously.

The alternative is basically atheism as the official religion, which I also oppose.
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I'm a "freedom of, religion" not a "freedom from, religion" type of guy.

Just because someone butchers a scripture quote doesn't mean you have to listen or take it seriously. For the record, I watched the video and listened to the full context of the quote and my .02 cents is that's its "cringy" as the kids would say. I get what he was trying to do and the context of the message he was trying to convey, but IMO it didn't come off well.
 
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Even if elements of Iran's government evolve (with some leadership less fanatical than the nutcase clerics) and they were willing to negotiate (if only in order to survive), the Revolutionary Guard / Military likely has rogue elements that are not responsive to any semblance of a unified command and probably want to assume power.
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Yeah, most likely if not certainly.

Anyway, FWIW

 
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Drinkthekoolaid said:
I'm a "freedom of, religion" not a "freedom from, religion" type of guy.

Just because someone butchers a scripture quote doesn't mean you have to listen or take it seriously. For the record, I watched the video and listened to the full context of the quote and my .02 cents is that's its "cringy" as the kids would say. I get what he was trying to do and the context of the message he was trying to convey, but IMO it didn't come off well.
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Cringe is probably a good description. It feels unfashionable, but is really inconsequential and all the attention being drawn to it is ridiculous.

It's like Obama's Brown suit outrage. Much ado about nothing.
 
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