Dragged off a bus for not wearing a mask. Legal?

[Apeman]

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Is public transportation private property?

There is no law saying riders MUST wear one - only a suggestion.

The "official" isn't wearing one but he's ordering people off. Even if there was a law then he shouldn't be allowed on.

Looks like the cops just dragged him off and then walked away.

 

[dsdmmat]

Good fodder for a lawsuit.

 

[Bananabandit]

If you have to ask if its legal, it probably isnt.

 

[Apeman]

If you have to ask if its legal, it probably isnt.

Rhetorical question mostly. However if that bus is considered private property of the city they might be able to order you off. Since it appears he was not arrested for trespassing and they've said they won't drag anybody else off I'm guessing they know they fucked up.

 

[Bananabandit]

Rhetorical question mostly. However if that bus is considered private property of the city they might be able to order you off. Since it appears he was not arrested for trespassing and they've said they won't drag anybody else off I'm guessing they know they fucked up.

I figured as much, but I just can not not say something.

Now the ruling is revoked so they did gon fuck up A A Ron

 

[Diesel Tech]

Just wear the mask. One sick person sneezes on a bus and you could infect another three people. Those three people thru exponential transmission will have 60 people sick within a couple weeks. This virus is very contagious

 

[Grimscale]

if that bus is considered private property of the city

How do you get private property of the city, when the city isn't a private corporation? That makes it, by definition, public property and subject to the Constitution.

Just wear the mask.

Just turn in your guns. One sick person with a gun could kill hundreds of people. Mass shootings happen.

If you don't like your Rights, that's fine with me. But don't think to remove MY Rights with your idiocy.

 

[Apeman]

Just wear the mask. One sick person sneezes on a bus and you could infect another three people. Those three people thru exponential transmission will have 60 people sick within a couple weeks. This virus is very contagious

Were was the mask on that guy that told them to get off the bus? Why aren't you bitching about him?You want to defend these infringements go ahead but a lot of us won't.

I get it. People are dying and people without symptoms are spreading it. I haven't been going anywhere but the grocery store and work. Most of us aren't because we're trying not to spread this around. I don't do it because I'm told to. I do it because I don't mind limiting my activities for a while to help. This whole lock down stuff is violating our rights but most people are on board with it(myself included) because we want this to end as soon as possible. But when you start dragging people off busses it goes way too far. I hope this guy makes a boat load off that department

 

[dwa12479]

SEPTA can set their own rules for riding, and they did. Follow them or leave. Once he was asked to leave and didn't he's trespassing. No different than if I'm asked to leave a place with a "No Firearms" policy and don't.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Many transit systems have rules and regulations that are backed up by a state’s penal law subject to ejection, fine , or arrest. According to their Rules and regulations which are different everywhere, they may have the right to eject a passenger from the transit system. Here in NY they do.

I’m not sure the constitutionality of this but they are there and do it all the time here in NY.

 

[Apeman]

SEPTA can set their own rules for riding, and they did. Follow them or leave. Once he was asked to leave and didn't he's trespassing. No different than if I'm asked to leave a place with a "No Firearms" policy and don't.

That's why I asked if it was legal or private property. I read a different article that said it wasn't a rule. Even if it was a rule and not a suggestion that you have to wear a mask why did the other guy come on the bus without one to kick people off? He violated the rule. If somebody is going to be dragged off a bus there should be paperwork or charges showing what happened. They just dragged him off and left.

 

[dwa12479]

That's why I asked if it was legal or private property. I read a different article that said it wasn't a rule. Even if it was a rule and not a suggestion that you have to wear a mask why did the other guy come on the bus without one to kick people off? He violated the rule. If somebody is going to be dragged off a bus there should be paperwork or charges showing what happened. They just dragged him off and left.

I agree it was pretty ridiculous that the "official" that was doing the tossing was un-masked.

 

[Dr. Evil]

C'mon. Quit screwing around. Nice photo shop edit. That would never happen here. That's China.

 

[repete]

SEPTA can set their own rules for riding, and they did. Follow them or leave. Once he was asked to leave and didn't he's trespassing. No different than if I'm asked to leave a place with a "No Firearms" policy and don't.

But if the driver allowed him on and then changed his mind and the man had already paid the fare I don't see how the bus Co. can then choose to enforce the rules. I smell a law suit.

 

[dwa12479]

But if the driver allowed him on and then changed his mind and the man had already paid the fare I don't see how the bus Co. can then choose to enforce the rules. I smell a law suit.

Agreed, shouldnt have been allowed on to behin with. Hard to tell from the article if he'd been on for a while and THEN they ordered him off, or if he had just hopped on at a stop and was told then, "no mask, no ride" .

SEPTA uses a card system that's just a tap and go, so he easily could have been on the bus and fare paid before a driver had a chance to stop him.

 

[ProgSpear]

And let’s all consider that only mere weeks ago if someone was seen wearing a mask in public they would be considered as up to nefarious purposes and subject to questioning and arrest...

unless the wind chill was sub-zero.

 

[Saltwater60]

Rhetorical question mostly. However if that bus is considered private property of the city they might be able to order you off. Since it appears he was not arrested for trespassing and they've said they won't drag anybody else off I'm guessing they know they fucked up.

How can it be private property of the city when he likely paid for it through his taxes.
Sure as shit I’d sue. I hope he wins millions because he was injured and was fired for this illegal act.

 

[dwa12479]

How can it be private property of the city when he likely paid for it through his taxes.
Sure as shit I’d sue. I hope he wins millions because he was injured and was fired for this illegal act.

You pay a fare to ride the bus, it's not a free service provided by tax money, but it is subsidized. They're run by SEPTA, a regional transit authority. And SEPTA has a right to set policies on riding.

 

[spat]

You pay a fare to ride the bus, it's not a free service provided by tax money, but it is subsidized. They're run by SEPTA, a regional transit authority. And SEPTA has a right to set policies on riding.

I pay a fee at the DMV too, that doesn't make a private business.

Is it owned by taxpayers or shareholders. That's all that matters for "public" vs "private"

 

[Carlos Hathcock]

Being that every store I've been into lately stocks thousands of those N95 masks....

 

[GOPerfect]

I saw this story and the video. I am not happy with the end result at all.

Not sure what the laws and the rules are to board these buses. I do know that in the Buffalo area, the Metro buses have lots of rules and regulations that need to be followed.

I think the rider should have not fought with the Police and I think the Police could have acted much better.

Lose, lose situation for all three entities involved.

 

[Dr. Evil]

I guess those involved didn't get the memo.

WHO says there is no need for healthy people to wear face masks, days after the CDC told all Americans to cover their faces

Until June 5, the WHO maintained that face masks weren't a solid defense for healthy people and could lead to user error that heightens their risk.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[Marine Cpl]

How do you know you are sick? Plenty of people are asymptotic that don’t feel sick but are able to spread the virus. Lots of conflicting information out there even from the same organizations.

 

[GOPerfect]

How do you know you are sick? Plenty of people are asymptotic that don’t feel sick but are able to spread the virus. Lots of conflicting information out there even from the same organizations.

This is why I would like just a bit of truth. Just a bit....

 

[Marine Cpl]

Regarding the story, transit authorities have the authority to establish their own rules and they are enforceable. Here in NY depending on the particular railroad (there are many) you can’t play a radio in the train car, or you can only use the phone on a phone call in a particular car, or you can’t travel with an animal unless it’s a service animal, or you can’t board with no shirt, or you can’t board with an open container, etc.

Some railroads allow open containers. Some don’t. Some allow animals. Some don’t. I have seen people ejected from the train for violating the rules. Some get fines. Some only get an ejection.

Regardless, you can’t do whatever the fuck you want while on them just the same as you can’t do whatever the fuck your want in the DMV, a courtroom, town hall, etc. The police can physically eject you from any of those places for not following the rules.

My guess for the backpedaling in Philly is political correctness.

 

[dwa12479]

I saw this story and the video. I am not happy with the end result at all.

Not sure what the laws and the rules are to board these buses. I do know that in the Buffalo area, the Metro buses have lots of rules and regulations that need to be followed.

I think the rider should have not fought with the Police and I think the Police could have acted much better.

Lose, lose situation for all three entities involved.

Agreed here 100%

 

[Blimey]

The fact it took ten of them and then they didn't even charge him with anything is ludicrous.

Also if it's just a guidance and not an actual rule/law, that is as well.

Now that said, if this transportation line can make up rules on the fly to dictate who can and can't ride their stuff--as I'm guessing they can--if you fail to follow a rule you need to assume you'll be removed. If you get on a bus and fail to pay a fare you'll also have the police called and asked to get off the bus. if you fail to do that you'll be dragged off, even though it was "over $2".

 

[Blimey]

Just wear the mask. One sick person sneezes on a bus and you could infect another three people. Those three people thru exponential transmission will have 60 people sick within a couple weeks. This virus is very contagious

If the first few people not wearing masks are lined up against the bus and summarily shot in the head, we'll see everyone wearing masks in no time flat!

 

[dwa12479]

I pay a fee at the DMV too, that doesn't make a private business.

Is it owned by taxpayers or shareholders. That's all that matters for "public" vs "private"

Last I looked DMV is closed completely.

Public business still has rules of use that need to be followed. That doesn't change simply because they run on tax money. It's real simple, if you want to ride the bus to travel, put on a mask. Otherwise find another mode of transport.

 

[Blimey]

Stories like this run amok, but to be clear, he was not dragged off a bus for not wearing a mask. How do I know? because if get on the same bus without a mask nobody is even going to call the police. They will ask me to get off the bus. And if I do that nobody is the wiser for it. I'd bet my life he was asked first to get off the bus. He refused to do so.

What he really was dragged off the bus for was refusing to get off the bus. And was so incessant in his belief he should stay there that it took 10 police to convince him he was wrong.

I still think it's absurd that despite all this he was not charged, which does make the police position looks a bit crazy.