East Fishkill, NY Weapons Arrest !
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libertysnake
.338 Win Mag
This is my neck of the woods, so yikes. Glad I carry in this area.
Secondly, they charged him for carrying a knife though? I thought generally only the NYPD were the only ones in the state going after people for knife charges?
stokes
.338 Win Mag
Apparently the knife was an "illegal" knife.Of course they charged him with the knife,he resisted so anything they can charge him with is included.Police anywhere will rarely cut you a break if you are uncooperative or resistive.
libertysnake
.338 Win Mag
Well if you’re threatening someone with a knife, then it may be considered a “weapon” I suppose. But mere possession of a folding knife outside of NYC isn’t generally something that the police will consider to be a gravity knife. Unless that’s changed.
Might need @GOPerfect on this one.
stokes
.338 Win Mag
I missed the part where it said it was a folding knife.The story gives very little info,basically said he was "threatening employees",was he threatening to stab them? Who knows,but even if the knife wasnt a per se weapon,its typical to charge a perp with everything you can and let the lawyers hash it out later.The fact that he resisted also doesnt lead to any breaks from the AO.
libertysnake
.338 Win Mag
True. Either way he shouldn’t have been threatening people. The type of people who get a big head on them the moment they strap on a holster are exactly the people that shouldn’t be carrying.
Also didn’t help that he wasn’t legally carrying, but even if he was he was in the wrong.
stokes
.338 Win Mag
Oh,and every folding knife is not a gravity knife,even in NYC.
libertysnake
.338 Win Mag
stokes
.338 Win Mag
NYPD flick?Never heard that term.I made hundreds of gravity knife arrests in NYC.If a knife can be flipped open and lock with one hand,its a gravity knife.Not all folders can be opened as such.Whenever we had someone with a gravity knife or otherwise illegal knife we'd always give them the opportunity to tell us they didnt know it was illegal and agree to surrender it,in which case we'd voucher it as found property.You'd be amazed at how many refused and basically told us "you have to lock me up or give it back".
libertysnake
.338 Win Mag
You’re basically describing folding knives you can buy in Home Depot or target, that have completely legitimate uses.
If you hold any locking folding knife by the knife end and flick it open as hard as humanly possible and it locks, then I suppose almost anything is a gravity knife.
That’s exaggerated greatly, as are most cop “facts”.
That’s not how its done though.
stokes
.338 Win Mag
NYS Penal Law,so the whole state
Bummer, was looking to order a kershaw with spring assist. I hate this state
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
every damn knife made is a gravity knife if you drop it 
LOL ..
LOL ..
The best part is when the New York Senate passed the Gravity Knife Law Reform Bill, 61-1, good ol Andy said fuck that not signing it.
Twice this year two bills were passed 61-1 and both were vetoed by Cuomo.
S6483A and S4769A
Twice this year two bills were passed 61-1 and both were vetoed by Cuomo.
S6483A and S4769A
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libertysnake
.338 Win Mag
How is it done then / how is it judged?
You hold it like its supposed to be held and flip your wrist. If it doesn’t open and lock, it’s not a gravity knife.
libertysnake
.338 Win Mag
Agreed that makes sense and seems reasonable.
Are you sure there was never an alternate policy though? I feel like I’ve heard reports of alternate methods / people being arrested for basic folders.
stokes
.338 Win Mag
Not sure if its changed,but in NYC if a "basic folder" was over 4" it was an AC violation and you could be summonsed.Back in the 80's,when I was working,the popular knives were the big,cheap 007's,every mutt had one in his back pocket.When sold,they werent gravity knives but you could work the blade side to side to loosen it in the handle making easy to flip open.
People talk about that all the time because they just like to complain about cops. I'm sure there's guys out there who do stuff like that, but bring that explanation to a DA and your arrest is in the trash before you can sign in to court.
Greywolf224
6.5 Creedmoor
Here’s my gravity knife. Been carried for 20 years. It’s always gravitated to my lower right ass cheek. You couldn’t flick this open if your life depended on it. Don’t know why anyone would need to carry anything larger.
I’m sure some of you are commenting on the stains. I wouldn’t have it any other way.
I’m sure some of you are commenting on the stains. I wouldn’t have it any other way.
libertysnake
.338 Win Mag
There’s nothing like a good patina. Worn leather, waxed canvas, a good used wood handle on an axe. It’s not the same if it’s not used and aged.
stokes
.338 Win Mag
Like Airborne says,there might be guys that try to do things like that,but I can tell you from experience that if you "fake" a gravity knife,when the person pleads not guilty and you end up in court you will have to demonstrate on the stand that the knife is indeed a gravity knife.