Hochul signs eight new laws to boost safety and fairness for NY workers

[ManualF150]

Governor Hochul signs eight new laws to boost safety and fairness for NY workers

To celebrate the New York City Labor Day Parade, Governor Kathy Hochul signed eight pieces of legislation aimed at protecting New York State’s workforce as well

cnycentral.com

I'm pissed about this: One bill requires automobile manufacturers to reimburse dealerships according to retail labor time guides, rather than manufacturer-produced time guides that often underestimate labor time for warranty repairs.

Only going to jack up the price of vehicles.

 

[repete]

I didn't read all the way through but I don't like this one, "S.5500B/A.6146B requires state agencies responding to a freedom of information request for public employee disciplinary records to develop a policy to notify the employee of the request."

That's just asking for retaliation.

 

[GOPerfect]

She signed them, she supports them??

I am against all of them. I do not read the new laws to know I am not a supporter.

 

[RedBreast21]

As much as CNYcentral tried to spin this as a win for workers and suggesting its a win for Unions, the details suggest otherwise.

 

[Saltwater60]

Fun y all they do is crap on their employees and then not give us anywhere close to cost of living increases. We got a 2% raise when inflation was 9-10% and we got 3% last go around. Honestly my supervisor is great but any level above him could care less about us or anything but themselves. They have replaced the good qualified people and put politicians in their place.

 

[Koz]

I'd rather she shrink the bloated state worker roles. I can't think of any state agency that couldn't use at least a 10% cut in employment. Double that for the feds.

 

[GOPerfect]

Fun y all they do is crap on their employees and then not give us anywhere close to cost of living increases. We got a 2% raise when inflation was 9-10% and we got 3% last go around. Honestly my supervisor is great but any level above him could care less about us or anything but themselves. They have replaced the good qualified people and put politicians in their place.

It has never been, nor should it be up to the government or the employer to ensure that you can pay your bills.

 

[That_FNG]

I think this might be a good thing in regards to OEM warranty pay. Currently it is neigh impossible to find good technicians willing to work for an OEM do to how little manufacturers pay. Take Hyundai for example. Recently had a technician spend 12 hours diagnosing an issue on a new 2024 Santa Fe due to all the different tests and procedures Hyundai techline wanted done before they would authorize a module being replaced. Hyundai paid nothing for the technicians time as they only pay warranty time for part replacement. (Vehicle had a variance programming error from the factory and required 2 computer modules replaced)

since technicians work flat rate they get nothing for that as the dealership got nothing. With the new law Hyundai would be required to pay for all that diag time. Which if they were paying they might be willing to approve or deny the repair much quicker.

It’s also bullshit that Hyundai pays less than 6 hrs for a long block replacement thru warranty where All Data pays approximately 12hrs for the same repair. Or where Hyundai pays 2.5hrs for a main body harness replacement that takes 2 days to perform.

 

[Apeman]

I'd rather she shrink the bloated state worker roles. I can't think of any state agency that couldn't use at least a 10% cut in employment. Double that for the feds.

I think your numbers are too low. Need to cut way more than that

 

[spat]

I'd rather she shrink the bloated state worker roles. I can't think of any state agency that couldn't use at least a 10% cut in employment. Double that for the feds.

Musk cut 80% of twitter, and the site is processing more traffic than ever.

I have to think government is at least as bloated.

 

[Zerex]

NYC sweatshops are exempt, as are the ones in Puerto Rico, a Borough of NYC..

Chinese sweat shops..hahahahhahha

 

[dwa12479]

I think this might be a good thing in regards to OEM warranty pay. Currently it is neigh impossible to find good technicians willing to work for an OEM do to how little manufacturers pay. Take Hyundai for example. Recently had a technician spend 12 hours diagnosing an issue on a new 2024 Santa Fe due to all the different tests and procedures Hyundai techline wanted done before they would authorize a module being replaced. Hyundai paid nothing for the technicians time as they only pay warranty time for part replacement. (Vehicle had a variance programming error from the factory and required 2 computer modules replaced)

since technicians work flat rate they get nothing for that as the dealership got nothing. With the new law Hyundai would be required to pay for all that diag time. Which if they were paying they might be willing to approve or deny the repair much quicker.

It’s also bullshit that Hyundai pays less than 6 hrs for a long block replacement thru warranty where All Data pays approximately 12hrs for the same repair. Or where Hyundai pays 2.5hrs for a main body harness replacement that takes 2 days to perform.

I've never seen a manufacturer that didn't have a way to submit for time on something like that as long as a few parameters were in order like having a qualified tech working on it, following the guidelines of whatever the technical assistance center wanted, and documenting everything done.

 

[Saltwater60]

It has never been, nor should it be up to the government or the employer to ensure that you can pay your bills.

That’s not the problem. I’ll work more or another job to pay my bills or get ahead as I have for many years now and my wife does as well.
My problem is their hypocrisy. They tell everyone else they need to pay or treat their workers better then they don’t do what they mandate others to do. Corrections guards just lost a day off because they treat them so poorly and they get crapped on all the time. My town posted a job for a crossing guard paying below minimum wage how is that legal?
In fact it’s so bad where I work they almost can’t hire people or keep them because the private industry is $20-25,000 higher than what they pay us. I have my reasons for staying though.

 

[Saltwater60]

Musk cut 80% of twitter, and the site is processing more traffic than ever.

I have to think government is at least as bloated.

Not quite at the lower levels. They have cut back on workers pretty hard where I work. In fact it’s getting so bad they almost can’t function in some areas.

 

[spat]

Not quite at the lower levels. They have cut back on workers pretty hard where I work. In fact it’s getting so bad they almost can’t function in some areas.

Maybe a lot of those jobs just shouldn't be done.

The answer to government bloat isn't just "do more with less". Sometimes it's just "do less".

Must didn't just make the departments more efficient at twitter. He just said "we're not doing that at all anymore" and whacked the entire department.

So, the real question is "what happens to society if the government stops doing that", and unless the consequences are pretty serious, the answer should just be "then we'll get rid of everyone doing that".

 

[GOPerfect]

That’s not the problem. I’ll work more or another job to pay my bills or get ahead as I have for many years now and my wife does as well.
My problem is their hypocrisy. They tell everyone else they need to pay or treat their workers better then they don’t do what they mandate others to do. Corrections guards just lost a day off because they treat them so poorly and they get crapped on all the time. My town posted a job for a crossing guard paying below minimum wage how is that legal?
In fact it’s so bad where I work they almost can’t hire people or keep them because the private industry is $20-25,000 higher than what they pay us. I have my reasons for staying though.

The Tonawanda City Police Department is hiring crossing guards for the upcoming school year.

The Crossing guards will be placed at Tonawanda Elementary School Monday through Friday from 2:30 p.m. until 2:55 p.m. The pay is $12.50 an hour, but the person will be paid for two hours of work, equaling $25.00 a shift.

Those interested would have to complete a training video.

If you're interested, please reach out to Katie D’Amico with City of Tonawanda Police, (716) 695-8626.

 

[GOPerfect]

That’s not the problem. I’ll work more or another job to pay my bills or get ahead as I have for many years now and my wife does as well.
My problem is their hypocrisy. They tell everyone else they need to pay or treat their workers better then they don’t do what they mandate others to do. Corrections guards just lost a day off because they treat them so poorly and they get crapped on all the time. My town posted a job for a crossing guard paying below minimum wage how is that legal?
In fact it’s so bad where I work they almost can’t hire people or keep them because the private industry is $20-25,000 higher than what they pay us. I have my reasons for staying though.

Which corrections officers? I am curious of this

 

[That_FNG]

I've never seen a manufacturer that didn't have a way to submit for time on something like that as long as a few parameters were in order like having a qualified tech working on it, following the guidelines of whatever the technical assistance center wanted, and documenting everything done.

Hyundai does have a supplemental form where all the different items can be itemized but ultimately it is useless most of the time for getting additional time. Hyundai is probably one of the worst manufacturers to deal with in regards to warranty (at least compared to GM or Honda) with those brands I could call the DPMS and get approval for extra time above what warranty pays for special cases.

I currently have a tech who spent 15 hours diagnosing a vehicle to find out the reason the vehicle would not start was due to an ECM shorting out internally. Hyundai only paid for replacement of the ecm and an hour for testing, thus shorting the tech quite a bit of time. I went to management and argued on the techs behalf and got the majority paid thru internal shop time as that was the right thing to do. Most places are not like that and the tech loses out.

for those that say Hyundai can’t be that bad, they are. Do a 15 minute software update? Better spend 15 additional minutes taking pictures of the car, the vin, the repair order inside the car, and pictures of all the computer screens that show the update was performed. Thus you just did a total of 30 minutes worth of work for less than 15 minutes of flat rate pay.

 

[Celt]

Everytime the government gets involved with private business the added costs get passed on to the consumer. This is a failing/communist type of system.

And there will be plenty of people cheering that they will make a little more money, because they are blind to the fact that they will net less in the long run.

 

[Saltwater60]

Which corrections officers? I am curious of this

State guys. I know a guy who just quit without another job because it was so horrible and he felt himself or someone else was going to get killed. He’s now working three part time jobs to make ends meet and is happier. He told me one of his buddy just told him they pulled one of their days off for mandatory OT. Made sense to me because they are constantly hiring and can’t get people.

 

[Saltwater60]

Maybe a lot of those jobs just shouldn't be done.

The answer to government bloat isn't just "do more with less". Sometimes it's just "do less".

Must didn't just make the departments more efficient at twitter. He just said "we're not doing that at all anymore" and whacked the entire department.

So, the real question is "what happens to society if the government stops doing that", and unless the consequences are pretty serious, the answer should just be "then we'll get rid of everyone doing that".

Agreed many of those jobs don’t need to be done and don’t benefit us but that wasn’t the point of my post. I won’t disagree with that but the point is NYS wants fair this and that from private company’s but leaves themselves out.

 

[Saltwater60]

The Tonawanda City Police Department is hiring crossing guards for the upcoming school year.

The Crossing guards will be placed at Tonawanda Elementary School Monday through Friday from 2:30 p.m. until 2:55 p.m. The pay is $12.50 an hour, but the person will be paid for two hours of work, equaling $25.00 a shift.

Those interested would have to complete a training video.

If you're interested, please reach out to Katie D’Amico with City of Tonawanda Police, (716) 695-8626.

Yes $12.50 per is below the minimum wage rate. I get they are working only a half hour or whatever and being paid for more than they are working but how is that legal or allowed? The minimum wage rate is $15.00/hour and set to increase with inflation. I’d also ask what happens if said crossing guard is on their way home and slips on ice or gets into a car accident at 3:15pm. They are technically still in the clock and on the payroll so is the city responsible for their injuries even after their shift ends because they are getting paid for two hours? Just a poor set up and system but I’m sure on one has thought to change it because we’ve been doing it this way for 25 years now.

 

[GOPerfect]

State guys. I know a guy who just quit without another job because it was so horrible and he felt himself or someone else was going to get killed. He’s now working three part time jobs to make ends meet and is happier. He told me one of his buddy just told him they pulled one of their days off for mandatory OT. Made sense to me because they are constantly hiring and can’t get people.

I figured it was the State guys. That department is a serious mess. So bad, they got rid of civil service.

Most of the local lock-ups are in the same boat. The pay is more than decent, but the conditions of the job are wretched!

 

[dwa12479]

Yes $12.50 per is below the minimum wage rate. I get they are working only a half hour or whatever and being paid for more than they are working but how is that legal or allowed? The minimum wage rate is $15.00/hour and set to increase with inflation. I’d also ask what happens if said crossing guard is on their way home and slips on ice or gets into a car accident at 3:15pm. They are technically still in the clock and on the payroll so is the city responsible for their injuries even after their shift ends because they are getting paid for two hours? Just a poor set up and system but I’m sure on one has thought to change it because we’ve been doing it this way for 25 years now.

But if you do the math the job actually pays $60/hr. Well above minimum.

 

[dwa12479]

Hyundai does have a supplemental form where all the different items can be itemized but ultimately it is useless most of the time for getting additional time. Hyundai is probably one of the worst manufacturers to deal with in regards to warranty (at least compared to GM or Honda) with those brands I could call the DPMS and get approval for extra time above what warranty pays for special cases.

I currently have a tech who spent 15 hours diagnosing a vehicle to find out the reason the vehicle would not start was due to an ECM shorting out internally. Hyundai only paid for replacement of the ecm and an hour for testing, thus shorting the tech quite a bit of time. I went to management and argued on the techs behalf and got the majority paid thru internal shop time as that was the right thing to do. Most places are not like that and the tech loses out.

for those that say Hyundai can’t be that bad, they are. Do a 15 minute software update? Better spend 15 additional minutes taking pictures of the car, the vin, the repair order inside the car, and pictures of all the computer screens that show the update was performed. Thus you just did a total of 30 minutes worth of work for less than 15 minutes of flat rate pay.

Definitely the right thing to do to pay your guy internally and take care of him. Too many managers don't understand that. Flat rate guys working straight time are losing big.

When I was with Cadillac I spent a lot of time chasing down the whacky weird electrical problems no one could figure out. We had a very good GM rep who I knew well and he always paid us the time we had into a job like that, he knew I wasn't milking clock reading the paper and making up BS.

 

[GOPerfect]

Yes $12.50 per is below the minimum wage rate. I get they are working only a half hour or whatever and being paid for more than they are working but how is that legal or allowed? The minimum wage rate is $15.00/hour and set to increase with inflation. I’d also ask what happens if said crossing guard is on their way home and slips on ice or gets into a car accident at 3:15pm. They are technically still in the clock and on the payroll so is the city responsible for their injuries even after their shift ends because they are getting paid for two hours? Just a poor set up and system but I’m sure on one has thought to change it because we’ve been doing it this way for 25 years now.

I believe NY has a 2 hour minimum of paid time. This is how they get around it. I am sure that when a person gets hired, it is fully explained and agreed to.

 

[HIghlander]

Governor Hochul signs eight new laws to boost safety and fairness for NY workers

To celebrate the New York City Labor Day Parade, Governor Kathy Hochul signed eight pieces of legislation aimed at protecting New York State’s workforce as well

cnycentral.com

I'm pissed about this: One bill requires automobile manufacturers to reimburse dealerships according to retail labor time guides, rather than manufacturer-produced time guides that often underestimate labor time for warranty repairs.

Only going to jack up the price of vehicles.

Or maybe the Manufacturers will finally get the vehicles to last longer than the have been since the 80's.

 

[Robin]

O'boy!!!!!! More laws!!!!
Robin

 

[Saltwater60]

I figured it was the State guys. That department is a serious mess. So bad, they got rid of civil service.

Most of the local lock-ups are in the same boat. The pay is more than decent, but the conditions of the job are wretched!

Great guy and he could take it. His wife’s a mess over it but it was literally killing him. They are both working their butts off and multiple jobs with three kids to pay the bills so he could leave. That’s how bad it’s gotten.

 

[Saltwater60]

But if you do the math the job actually pays $60/hr. Well above minimum.

You know that’s not the way the law would look at it in your situation so we can’t give them a pass either. I’ll admit it’s splitting hairs but private industry would not be allowed to do this.