Mar-a-Lago just raided by FBI

[dsdmmat]

Lies. Declassified documents need to be restamped. The National Archives and related agencies need to be aware so copies can be restamped.

Trump had 1.5 years to restamp them. He did nothing of the sort.

Declassified my ass. He's lying.

Now why would he need info regarding nuke weapons capabilities for foreign countries? Blackmail?

That was a leak from an unnamed source. No physical evidence has been released to substantiate the claim. With the journalistic standards of today, it is quite possible it never happened and it was made up from thin air.

 

[Steal2B]

 

[ronstar]

That was a leak from an unnamed source. No physical evidence has been released to substantiate the claim. With the journalistic standards of today, it is quite possible it never happened and it was made up from thin air.

the DOJ retreaved hundreds of documents from Mar-A-Lago stamped "classified".

clearly they were never declassified or they would have been amended, and the National Archives informed.

Trump NEVER declassified shit.

 

[dsdmmat]

the DOJ retreaved hundreds of documents from Mar-A-Lago stamped "classified".

clearly they were never declassified or they would have been amended, and the National Archives informed.

Trump NEVER declassified shit.

So you say. I prefer to wait for the evidence before I go all in on something the Dems and DOJ make claims on. They have not been able to prove of their claims thus far.

 

[ronstar]

So you say. I prefer to wait for the evidence before I go all in on something the Dems and DOJ make claims on. They have not been able to prove of their claims thus far.

The DOJ provided a photo with classified documents from Mar-A-Lago.

classified status never amended, as required.

Trump is a lying sack of shit, he never declassified anything.

 

[dsdmmat]

The DOJ provided a photo with classified documents from Mar-A-Lago.

classified status never amended, as required.

Trump is a lying sack of shit, he never declassified anything.

No they provided a photo of the classification cover sheets. If they provided a photo of classified documents they would have created a security breech.

classification cover sheets are not classified documents.

 

[ronstar]

No they provided a photo of the classification cover sheets. If they provided a photo of classified document they would have created a security breech.

there is no proof any of these documents were declassified.

no date, no time, no list, no nothing.

no communication with the National Archives or Congress or relevent agencies.

Just cuz Trump says he did it, doesn't mean we are supposed to take his word for it.

I want evidence.

 

[dsdmmat]

there is no proof any of these documents were declassified.

no date, no time, no list, no nothing.

no communication with the National Archives or Congress or relevent agencies.

Just cuz Trump says he did it, doesn't mean we are supposed to take his word for it.

I want evidence.

There is no proof they were not. The DOJ is not going to release anything that makes their case harder to prove.

I would suggest you relax. Worrying about things you cannot control can lead to psychosis.

 

[ronstar]

There is no proof they were not. The DOJ is not going to release anything that makes their case harder to prove.

I would suggest you relax. Worrying about things you cannot control can lead to psychosis.

Its absurd and illogical to demand someone prove a negative.

Trump says he declassified the documents? Prove it, Donny. Tell us when and how you did it. When did you inform the national archives and relevant agencies?

LOL. don't hold your breath.

 

[dsdmmat]

Its absurd and illogical to demand someone prove a negative.

Trump says he declassified the documents? Prove it, Donny. Tell us when and how you did it. When did you inform the national archives and relevant agencies?

LOL. don't hold your breath.

The way it works in this country. The government has to prove their case. So far we have no evidence they have anything except innuendo and propaganda. I suggest waiting for a conviction before taking a victory lap. So far they have missed with every shot.

 

[ronstar]

The way it works in this country. The government has to prove their case. So far we have no evidence they have anything except innuendo and propaganda. I suggest waiting for a conviction before taking a victory lap. So far they have missed with every shot.

Indeed, Trump has yet to prove that he declassified any documents before he stole them.

 

[dsdmmat]

Indeed, Trump has yet to prove that he declassified any documents before he stole them.

Keep on keepin’ on.

 

[Steal2B]

Worrying about things you cannot control can lead to psychosis.

 

[nortatoga]

 

[ronstar]

The search warrant and affidavit said Trump possessed classified documents.

The judge approved the search warrant.

If the judge and the department of Justice both knew Trump actually had no classified documents that's quite a conspiracy.

 

[dsdmmat]

The search warrant and affidavit said Trump possessed classified documents.

The judge approved the search warrant.

If the judge and the department of Justice both knew Trump actually had no classified documents that's quite a conspiracy.

Two words “Steele Dossier” another two words “Special Prosecutor” final two words “Nothing Burger” The DOJ has a miserable track record.

 

[ronstar]

Two words “Steele Dossier” another two words “Special Prosecutor” final two words “Nothing Burger” The DOJ has a miserable track record.

So your response is "but..but..but!!!"

If Trump did not possess classified material why did they claim that the documents were being safely protected????

 

[Dr. Evil]

I would suggest you relax. Worrying about things you cannot control can lead to psychosis.

Too late. Already there.

 

[ronstar]

Too late. Already there.

Soviets accused folks of mental illness when they rejected their politics, too.

 

[dsdmmat]

So your response is "but..but..but!!!"

If Trump did not possess classified material why did they claim that the documents were being safely protected????

No my response clearly is, “I’ll wait and see.” Where as your response clearly is, “ he is guilty, hang him from the highest tree.”

We will see who is right, the DOJ’s track record favors me, but I am willing to stay with “innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.”

Where as you have never (according to your posts here) been in that position. Your position is Trump is guilty until he prove himself innocent. Curiously enough the same legal position people find themselves in when they are entangled in legal systems of communist and third world countries.

 

[ronstar]

No my response clearly is, “I’ll wait and see.” Where as your response clearly is, “ he is guilty, hang him from the highest tree.”

We will see who is right, the DOJ’s track record favors me, but I am willing to stay with “innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.”

Where as you have never (according to your posts here) been in that position. Your position is Trump is guilty until he prove himself innocent. Curiously enough the same legal position people find themselves in when they are entangled in legal systems of communist and third world countries.

No my position is Trump appears to have made a baseless claim regarding our national secrets

 

[spat]

there is no proof any of these documents were declassified.

no date, no time, no list, no nothing.

no communication with the National Archives or Congress or relevent agencies.

Just cuz Trump says he did it, doesn't mean we are supposed to take his word for it.

I want evidence.

Actually, "innocent until proven guilty" means we *are* supposed to take his word for it, until there is actual evidence to the contrary.

 

[spat]

So your response is "but..but..but!!!"

If Trump did not possess classified material why did they claim that the documents were being safely protected????

Were you this wound up about the classified material that Hillary kept on the server in her bathroom ?

A server that was connected to the internet and therefore could be hacked by our enemies (and probably was) ?

Nobody hacked a box of paper stored in a facility thay was once a SCIF and was guarded by the secret service.

 

[ronstar]

Actually, "innocent until proven guilty" means we *are* supposed to take his word for it, until there is actual evidence to the contrary.

Nonsense. Innocent until proven Guilty simply means the Prosecution has the burden to prove their case. It does NOT mean we are legally bound to believe the claims of a defendant.

 

[spat]

Nonsense. Innocent until proven Guilty simply means the Prosecution has the burden to prove their case. It does NOT mean we are legally bound to believe the claims of a defendant.

They are the same thing.

Absent evidence to the contrary, the defendants claims stand.

 

[ronstar]

They are the same thing.

Absent evidence to the contrary, the defendants claims stand.

And absent evidence to the contrary, Prosecutor's claims stand.

 

[dsdmmat]

And absent evidence to the contrary, Prosecutor's claims stand.

if the prosecutor cannot prove the charges beyond a reasonable doubt, their claims are moot. Once again it doesn’t matter what the government claimed only what they can prove.

 

[ronstar]

if the prosecutor cannot prove the charges beyond a reasonable doubt, their claims are moot. Once again it doesn’t matter what the government claimed only what they can prove.

Jury of Public Opinion is not limited by such rules. Trump has proven shit.

 

[dsdmmat]

Jury of Public Opinion is not limited by such rules. Trump has proven shit.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

And absent evidence to the contrary, Prosecutor's claims stand.

Wrong. Guilt has to be proven, not just claimed. Or in your case desperately wanted.