New York Bill Would Mandate Individually ‘Coded’ and Registered Ammunition

[Madmallard]

New York Assemblyman Felix Ortiz is a legislative genius. When last we checked on his work, he was planning to GPS-enable every new gun in the state, and require firearm owners to have just the sort of insurance that the state was busily shutting down. Amidst all of that, I somehow missed another one of his bills.

A03779 Establishes a statewide database to maintain and track coded ammunition; establishes penalties for individuals who violate such provisions; also establishes the ammunition coding system database fund.


That’s all bad enough. Basically, it would require every single, individual cartridge in the state, for handguns and “assault weapons,” to be stamped with a unique identifying code and tracked from point of manufacture to the end buyer. In other words, microstamping and individual bullet registration.

Even better: the law, if passed, would outlaw current stocks of ammo. Anyone who possesses “non-coded ammunition” must dispose of it no later than January 1, 2022. Possession of such verboten gun food would then be a class A misdemeanor, good for a year in prison.

New York Bill Would Mandate Individually 'Coded' and Registered Ammunition - The Truth About Guns

New York Assemblyman Felix Ortiz is a legislative genius. When last we checked on his work, he was planning to GPS-enable every new gun in the state, and require firearm owners to have just the sort of insurance that the state was busily shutting down. Amidst all of that, I somehow missed...

www.thetruthaboutguns.com

 

[Tisto]

I have a stockpile of +/- 60,000 rounds of rifle and pistol ammo that I can "deliver" to the State House in Albany....one round at a time....from a distance....

 

[Cooolone]

Pass that joint he's smoking because it's "GOOD" stuff!!!

 

[technicalgadget]

Keep it up NY. A good smack down from the Supreme Court is coming your way soon.

 

[Phazer]

Hon. Assemblyman Jerkwad:

Before you put the twisted machinations of your addled liberal progressive mind on paper, please review the current state of ammunition manufacture. Upon doing so, you will realize that no company has ever done what you desire...nor will they. Ergo, your legislation would deprive law-abiding citizens in New York of a product that is legal throughout the rest of The United States. Although that is indeed your goal, it is blatantly unconstitutional.

Sincerely,
All of Us.

 

[Robin]

Mine already has a zip code.
Robin

 

[Dylan_]

And ammo manufacturers will say no, typical NYS. good luck with this one, cucks.

 

[Blimey]

I imagine this would be done with laser etching on each shell instead of a physical stamp. Retrofitting existing production would be unlikely so you'd end up sending each shell now through an additional line at its manufacturer into a custom laser etcher which puts on a unique ID and makes a timestamped record of it in a database.

Definitely doable. Definitely increase cost substantially. You can forget $.15 9mm rounds if one of these plans ever makes it to fruition.

 

[Deplorable Me]

Cartridge #341,378,411,812,812,899.

Yep, each one with a personal serial number.

 

[Phazer]

For purposes of this section, "coded ammunition" means a bullet carrying a unique identifier that has been applied by etching onto he base of the bullet projectile.

So...to check if you're compliant they're going to have to disassemble the rounds, to pull the projectile, in order to inspect the base of the bullets for codes? N...F...W!

 

[Jmac00]

COME ON MAN, not this stupid bullschitt again.

I propose, from now on, any candidate running for office must recite the entire Constitution including all 27 Amendments, from memory.

He/she must pass a basic ethics class and show competency in general law, before they even sign up to be a politician

This Bullschitt needs to stop, now

 

[byron]

I don't think it would even be possible with different manufactures and the size of numbers being involved in stamping and in data storage for each shell would be much worse than the micro stamping scam they came up with before, and could not do.

 

[Blimey]

I don't think it would even be possible with different manufactures and the size of numbers being involved in stamping and in data storage for each shell would be much worse than the micro stamping scam they came up with before, and could not do.

I really think it can be done. It would be a far more complex issue than this bill appreciates. That's not surprising, because I'm sure the sponsor of it did not consult with anybody on the actual implementation of this.

There are gov mandates in other industries with a centralized identifier across manufacturers so that you can get a globally unique identification code. Manufacturers can be issued their own prefix by a central agency and they append their identifiers after that. Then, as long as the manufacturer maintains uniqueness on their own codes, they know that their unique prefix ensures global uniqueness. But you need that central agency to issue the codes, to maintain them, and enforce compliance.

Then you need to consider things like minimum readability of each code, and as the laser etching the code wears out and clarity degrades over time what is the minimum grade allowed to be compliant with the law, etc.?

Then where are the codes stored? Presumably the manufacturers will need to upload these codes to that central agency so that it has the system of record on everything.

It's a substantial undertaking, far more difficult IMO than the ammo purchase database, which to me seems quite easy to setup yet the state nonetheless was incapable of doing so.

 

[Jmac00]

does this include all Military ammo to, from 9mm to 105 howitzer?

although on the 105, we could stamp "FU Mohammad"

 

[Bob]

The better answer to this is for manufacturers to refuse and not allow their products to be sold within the state - to include law enforcement agencies.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

New York Assemblyman Felix Ortiz is a legislative genius. When last we checked on his work, he was planning to GPS-enable every new gun in the state, and require firearm owners to have just the sort of insurance that the state was busily shutting down. Amidst all of that, I somehow missed another one of his bills.

A03779 Establishes a statewide database to maintain and track coded ammunition; establishes penalties for individuals who violate such provisions; also establishes the ammunition coding system database fund.


That’s all bad enough. Basically, it would require every single, individual cartridge in the state, for handguns and “assault weapons,” to be stamped with a unique identifying code and tracked from point of manufacture to the end buyer. In other words, microstamping and individual bullet registration.

Even better: the law, if passed, would outlaw current stocks of ammo. Anyone who possesses “non-coded ammunition” must dispose of it no later than January 1, 2022. Possession of such verboten gun food would then be a class A misdemeanor, good for a year in prison.

New York Bill Would Mandate Individually 'Coded' and Registered Ammunition - The Truth About Guns

New York Assemblyman Felix Ortiz is a legislative genius. When last we checked on his work, he was planning to GPS-enable every new gun in the state, and require firearm owners to have just the sort of insurance that the state was busily shutting down. Amidst all of that, I somehow missed...

www.thetruthaboutguns.com

We have to have another area code to suppliment the 518 because they straight up ran out of number combos. Between this and having to serialize every part of a gun and every hunk of metal and pipe you can buy, how do they expect to make this happen without running out of number combos?

 

[Blimey]

We have to have another area code to suppliment the 518 because they straight up ran out of number combos. Between this and having to serialize every part of a gun and every hunk of metal and pipe you can buy, how do they expect to make this happen without running out of number combos?

With alphanumeric even just a six character sequence you'd have two billion combinations

 

[Deplorable Me]

Stupidity is infinite so they probably won't run out of numbers.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Stupidity is infinite so they probably won't run out of numbers.

Taking bets on which piece of metal gets your SSN on it.

 

[livingston]

 

[Acer-m14]

how are you going to micro stamp a number on a flint lock or #11 or #10 percussion cap LMFAO ..

 

[Tisto]

Yeah,...I want to see the number stamped on each piece of # 9 shot.

 

[kev74]

Taking bets on which piece of metal gets your SSN on it.

SSN goes on your forearm.

Now, be good and hop on the train.

 

[Carlos Hathcock]

This guy exists. He's not a fictional character. He sips his cup of custom blend coffee, with exotic creamers, and looks at the sunrise and thinks long and hard of how he's going to work toward removing ALL firearms from the public. He doesn't care about the constitution. He doesn't care about your rights, any of them. His only mission is to implement what HE (or she) wants, logic be damned. He's out there, every day, and he's not alone.

 

[MothMan]

We have to have another area code to suppliment the 518 because they straight up ran out of number combos. Between this and having to serialize every part of a gun and every hunk of metal and pipe you can buy, how do they expect to make this happen without running out of number combos?

@HEX idecimal notation.

 

[Mr. terzmo]

micro stamped....dispose of all ammo not stamped...plus a 10 round per month maximum purchase...that's next

 

[technicalgadget]

I read it and there's no exception in this law for law enforcement or organizations as a whole that purchase ammunition for groups, clubs, etc. Good luck with it.

 

[Smoke Jensen]

I really think it can be done. It would be a far more complex issue than this bill appreciates. That's not surprising, because I'm sure the sponsor of it did not consult with anybody on the actual implementation of this.

There are gov mandates in other industries with a centralized identifier across manufacturers so that you can get a globally unique identification code. Manufacturers can be issued their own prefix by a central agency and they append their identifiers after that. Then, as long as the manufacturer maintains uniqueness on their own codes, they know that their unique prefix ensures global uniqueness. But you need that central agency to issue the codes, to maintain them, and enforce compliance.

Then you need to consider things like minimum readability of each code, and as the laser etching the code wears out and clarity degrades over time what is the minimum grade allowed to be compliant with the law, etc.?

Then where are the codes stored? Presumably the manufacturers will need to upload these codes to that central agency so that it has the system of record on everything.

It's a substantial undertaking, far more difficult IMO than the ammo purchase database, which to me seems quite easy to setup yet the state nonetheless was incapable of doing so.

You are encouraging them.

 

[repete]

Cartridge #341,378,411,812,812,899.

Yep, each one with a personal serial number.

They could trace it to who sold it but, who bought it? I'd be an asshole and switch cartridges from box to box just to mess with them!

 

[repete]

With alphanumeric even just a six character sequence you'd have two billion combinations

DAMN! Look at the brain on Blimey! whatchew doing round here wit a bunch a ignint gun totin hillbilly huckabucks!