NY State Democrats want to ban armed teachers from schools

[Madmallard]

Armed teachers would be banned from New York schools under new legislation to be introduced in Albany on Monday.

President Trump proposed arming qualified teachers and other staffers to shoot back if a gunman attacks their school after last month’s mass shooting left 17 dead at Marjory Stoneman Douglas HS in Parkland, Fla.

Even if Trump succeeds in lifting a federal ban on guns in school zones, the bill from state Sen. Todd Kaminsky (D-LI) would ensure that teachers and other educators still couldn’t carry firearms in classrooms.

“More guns in school are not the answer,” Kaminsky said Saturday. “It’s a dangerous idea.”

Right now state law allows guns in schools and college campuses only with permission from the educational institutions.

Kaminsky’s measure would restrict guns to security and law-enforcement personnel and not authorize educators to be armed.

The Democratic proposal, supported by Senate Minority Leader Andrea Stewart-Cousins, may be a tough sell in the GOP-controlled chamber.

On Wednesday, Senate Republicans foiled a Democratic plot to force a vote on four other gun-control bills.

Kaminsky’s bill would very likely need support from the eight breakaway Dems in the Independent Democratic Conference, who normally caucus with the Republicans.

Kaminsky said he invited members of the IDC to a Saturday event announcing his measure and was told there were scheduling conflicts, so he “assumes” the rogue Democrats support his proposal.

The IDC and Republican Majority Leader John Flanagan’s office didn’t respond to messages seeking comment.

https://nypost.com/2018/03/03/state-democrats-want-to-ban-armed-teachers-from-schools/

 

[dwa12479]

There's a shock.

 

[Deplorable Me]

We've done it the Democrat's way for years with poor results. The old piss in one hand, wish in the other method of mismanagement government .

 

[Saltwater60]

I think liberal should stand for backwards moron.

 

[Carlos Hathcock]

Should find out where his kids go to school. I'm sure security there is just the same as our public schools.

 

[Jmac00]

There's a shock.

ya, totally surprised by this move. what really is surprising, is it took two weeks to come up with this

 

[Jezman]

More guns in school are not the answer,” Kaminsky said Saturday. “It’s a dangerous idea.”

If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit. Unfortunately very easy to do to many these days.

 

[Phazer]

Kaminsky’s measure would restrict guns to security and law-enforcement personnel and not authorize educators to be armed

So what? Once trained, those teachers can be designated as "school security personnel." Then, they'd still be legal.

Another jurisdiction ran into this, too. The sheriff designated trained teachers as special deputies. So, now they're "law enforcement."

 

[ProgSpear]

all it really proves to me is that so called "progressives" are utterly devoid of any capability of logical thought.

 

[Celt]

Because so far, school resource officers have a proven track record???

 

[JohnD13]

If Kaminsky's bill ever passes, and there is a school shooting in NY, I'll be hoping to see his name first on the inevitable law suit. What an ass.

 

[71velle]

I dont think the conversation should start with guns in school.

Start by locking the Fing door. Both school mass shootings were done by someone who didnt belong
in the school in the first place.

The plan needs to be built around not allowing these asshats to get onto school grounds more less in the buildings.
Hell in FL there were guys hanging around with guns and it didnt help.

 

[Apeman]

I dont think the conversation should start with guns in school.

Start by locking the Fing door. Both school mass shootings were done by someone who didnt belong
in the school in the first place.

The plan needs to be built around not allowing these asshats to get onto school grounds more less in the buildings.
Hell in FL there were guys hanging around with guns and it didnt help.

Anyone that wants into a school is going to get in wether the door is locked or not. Most schools do lock the doors anyway and you need to be buzzed in. All the schools around me are older buildings not built with security in mind. They have glass doors that would shatter if you threw a big rock at them.
The only way to keep people off school grounds is to fence off the whole property and have gates manned by security. If you do that then traffic would be a nightmare because EVERY vehicle would need to be searched before being allowed in.
What needs to happen is to have armed people at the school ready to deal with the threat. Maybe it's teachers? Maybe it's security? It needs to be somebody.
One of the biggest things is to stop plastering the shooters name all over the news. All that does is breed copycats that want to one up the previous asshole. They learn from the previous idiots mistakes and try for more casualties

 

[Acer-m14]

Armed teachers would be banned from New York schools under new legislation to be introduced in Albany on Monday.

how are the teacher's going to write on the black board or correct test with no arms ???

 

[Onegunnotenough]

I think liberal should stand for backwards moron.

It does

 

[livingston]

The mantra of the left is only the police should carry a gun . .. If we arm civilian teachers ... In other words allow them to be armed ... It blows that theory out the window . .. What ever it costs even dead children ... They cannot allow this to go forward. How do we secure a school . It is tough .. Some door is always left open ... A select few students need to have that smoke . Windows open up . .. They crawl in and out ... I believe we can utilize police officers . Let then teach a few classes. .. Of course the teachers union would hate that.. Not having that degree.
Self defense for women ..... Make every 9th grade girl go through that for the next 4 years. This is just one example . How about a course on being a better driver . ... From the eyes of an officer . Just a few examples to throw out ...

 

[Celt]

I dont think the conversation should start with guns in school.

Start by locking the Fing door. Both school mass shootings were done by someone who didnt belong
in the school in the first place.

The plan needs to be built around not allowing these asshats to get onto school grounds more less in the buildings.
Hell in FL there were guys hanging around with guns and it didnt help.

All the more reason a teacher should be allowed to be armed. Now, im sure there are many schools where not a single staff member would want to be armed and thats their choice, but to disallow it is wrong.

You can have the best security measures, bullet proof doors, glass, metal detectors, school resource offices, and even armed teachers, but nothing can stop a determined attacker.

Many security measures are only active during school hours. After school sports programs leave vulnerabilities where a disgruntled student can smuggle a weapon to their locker. Or even during school hours a kid can bring a soda bottle full of gasoline for a Molotov cocktail.

We need as many layers of defense/security as possible to deter/prevent the acts of violence.

And social media needs to be monitored heavily as it seems that all these kids end up posting online about their plans to some extent.

 

[71velle]

There is a bigger picture here.
What percentage of teachers do you think want to carry a gun every day?
How many know how to use a gun?
What training should teachers need to carry in a school?
Extra pay for and armed teacher?
Expect teacher teachers to run into harms way? Like the trained police chose not to do in FL. Or just defend their classroom?

Teachers with guns still many questions.

Plan "A" needs to be to prevent non-belongers getting into the school.
You dont let the enemy in and then deal with them.

Having a way to deal with a threat is always a good thing and should not be ignored, but preventing it is far superior !!

The 2 situations that put this on the map were caused by people who should not have been in the schools. And 1 had an armed guard anyway!!!

Giving some teachers a "pocket pistol" to engage in combat with a suicidal maniac with a AR-15 does not sound like a good plan "A" to me. It sounds like it should be the last line of defense.

 

[Deplorable Me]

"Teachers" are not the only individuals in schools. There are a number of additional administrative persons who "might" at their own volition want to be responsible for carrying a firearm in the school. Today we have IT persons, building engineers, maintenance, cleaning, cafeteria. How about office staff or health staff? All teaching jobs are not equal either, some have different requirements; classroom teacher vs shop teacher vs art teacher vs music teacher. The people opposing the arming of school personnel look at the problem broad brush and really need to look at the specific options and details.

 

[IrishMick]

Simple solution #1. Remove all protective details from government buildings and personnel. Place these details at the schools. If some politicians are wiped out so be it. It's for the children after all. We have to do something.

 

[ProgSpear]

Simple solution #1. Remove all protective details from government buildings and personnel. Place these details at the schools. If some politicians are wiped out so be it. It's for the children after all. We have to do something.

I love common sense solutions.

 

[Burzum]

It looks like the police union and teachers union pulled their usual strings in Albany dovetailing of course with the Dems knee-jerk hatred for legal gun owners.

 

[libertysnake]

No surprise. They can't keep capitalizing on senseless school shootings if there are measures in place to actually stop them early on. They certainly know how to exploit tragedy.

 

[Phazer]

Giving some teachers a "pocket pistol" to engage in combat with a suicidal maniac with a AR-15 does not sound like a good plan "A" to me. It sounds like it should be the last line of defense.

Yes. It is a last line of defense. When a situation occurs, the teacher locks and barricades the classroom door while covering the door's window. The teacher then takes up a defensive position aiming at the doorway. IF a bad guy kicks in the door, a defender with even a pocket pistol at 7 yards that gets off a good well-aimed first shot can win the day.

 

[Denny]

There are many teachers that are 2A supporters and well trained. This forum has a diverse population.


E pluribus unum

 

[Darth]

It will be pretty hard to write on the chalkboard without any arms.

 

[GOPerfect]

So what? Once trained, those teachers can be designated as "school security personnel." Then, they'd still be legal.

Another jurisdiction ran into this, too. The sheriff designated trained teachers as special deputies. So, now they're "law enforcement."

Many people do not realize that there is no limit to how many Deputies a Sheriff has. He can Deputizes thousands if he wants to. Unpaid Deputies all around! Sounds like great idea!

 

[GOPerfect]

The funny thing about this proposed bill is there are many teachers that carry in schools right now. Many!