OK Dumb but real question About the Red flag bill

[Nevar]

Serious question. No joke, no Bull shit. I was accused on another NY board of Hunting over bait.
So here goes. How far does the Red Flag bill go ? Does it include current and or Retired Police and Peace officers. Thanks.

 

[togmaster]

As the taddlers or the taddlies?

 

[Jmac00]

Serious question. No joke, no Bull shit. I was accused on another NY board of Hunting over bait.
So here goes. How far does the Red Flag bill go ? Does it include current and or Retired Police and Peace officers. Thanks.

I would guess it doesn't matter what the occurance was/is. If you are reported to the 'authorities' as being dangerous to yourself of others, your firearms are going to be history.
this is why most of my firearms have already been removed from the state. FUAC

 

[pjzwtl]

So wait deer are now people to? Seriously though how is hunting over bait applicable to the red flag law? Who are you a dander to?

 

[Mr. terzmo]

I don't believe hunting over bait is a red flag....flag Hunting over bait is illegal in some states/game/whatever and is only a danger to animals

BUT again....I read the law and turning someone in for whatever reason you want without repercussion is what I read. Soooooooooooo...if you have guns.. Don't talk about guns and trust NO ONE. Dam shame what this world has come to and it's just going to get worse

 

[STS556]

So wait deer are now people to?

Deer are more important and have more rights than people in this state. You can't shoot a baby deer but you can kill a human baby as its being born.

 

[Jmac00]

it should also be noted that at no time will the accuser be identified to the accused.....also against the constitution

 

[Apeman]

it should also be noted that at no time will the accuser be identified to the accused.....also against the constitution

I'm waiting for that issue to hit the courts.

The other issue is we are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. They've flipped that to guilty and you have to prove your innocence and it will cost you a shit ton of money to do it.

At some point somebody that gets screwed by a red flag law will take his case all the way up the ladder. The constitution was put in place to protect people. I can't see the state winning in the end. Of course most of us don't want our lives ruined during the whole process.

 

[Saltwater60]

I don't believe hunting over bait is a red flag....flag Hunting over bait is illegal in some states/game/whatever and is only a danger to animals

BUT again....I read the law and turning someone in for whatever reason you want without repercussion is what I read. Soooooooooooo...if you have guns.. Don't talk about guns and trust NO ONE. Dam shame what this world has come to and it's just going to get worse

This is the plan to silence gun owners. I feel the same and won’t be talking to many people about guns.

 

[Shadow2]

Fuck that! Spread the word! Bring who ever you can to the range. We need converts and that doesn't happen by remaining silent.

This is the plan to silence gun owners. I feel the same and won’t be talking to many people about guns.

 

[Acer-m14]

Does it include current and or Retired Police and Peace officers

first .. what one FED or NY ..
second .. they have to pass the FED one first to see whats in it ..
third .. since the NY one is LAW . now you can read whats really in it ..

 

[Mr. terzmo]

I'm waiting for that issue to hit the courts.

The other issue is we are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. They've flipped that to guilty and you have to prove your innocence and it will cost you a shit ton of money to do it.

At some point somebody that gets screwed by a red flag law will take his case all the way up the ladder. The constitution was put in place to protect people. I can't see the state winning in the end. Of course most of us don't want our lives ruined during the whole process.

"I'm waiting for that issue to hit the courts." What decade will that be ? The president declared a National Emergency. I "assumed" being declared a "national emergency" that if challenged it would be fast tracked to the next higher Court and so on. The "system" has already judged it NOT to be a "national emergency" by allowing it to go through normal channels.

 

[Bob]

it should also be noted that at no time will the accuser be identified to the accused.....also against the constitution

There is also a provision for the judge to issue an ex parte order. The accused doesn't even have to know that this is happening until the police are at their door.
Please tell me how THAT is going to end well for anyone.

 

[@thewheels]

At some point somebody that gets screwed by a red flag law will take matters into his own hands.

Fify

And they know this and want this.

See? See? They WERE a criminal and shouldn't have had guns in the 1st place. The outcome will justify the law.

 

[ProgSpear]

Who should I report the "authorities" to? I find them irresponsible and dangerous.

 

[Bustedknees]

the state has already been pulling this crap for years now before the Red flag Law.. I worked for a retired guy in Camden that got a knock on his door in the middle of the night.. the police were there to take all his weapons because his name matched someone who checked into a hospital.. the State police could give him no further details because they had none to give him.. The guy had to call and stop to all the area hospitals in two counties and get written proof that he did not get committed , had to prove he wasn't arrested, had to prove he wasn't crazy before he got his guns back..

 

[2WheelGnnr]

Yep....this is now the day in age where you have to PROVE your innocence to get proper treatment even then you dont get it. All I see this as is 99% of the time a retalitory item used by ex girlfreinds and the likes that are now mad at someone and "gonna show em for wronging Meee!!" sorta thing.......ok maybe there will be some legitimate concerns or issues that occur to help someone's loved one but that will be the legitamacy for it in the long run. meanwhile alot of frivolous occurences will happen.

II just cant even get my thought together enough to respond to this whole red flag law. my WIFE is finally starting to get it as she has been saying for years im worried/"afraid" over nothing...and now shes starting to worry too.

I tell my kids you may not like my guns or that I have them but I hope you understand my and the right to have them...same with other issues you come accross in your life. you may not agree with something but hopefully you will take a stand when you see a wrong being made or be on the right side of the "fight" when rights become infringed...I tell them its guns today but it will be your right to speak freely the next or something else.

Once something is taken away you dont get it back...