Only FFL in DC closes, slack taken up by Metro PD

[Justincase]

D.C. Police Take Over All FFL Transfers On Mayor's Order

Washington, D.C.'s Mayor Bowser issued an order allowing the Metropolitan Police Department to function as an FFL while there is no other commercial FFL in the city.

www.gunsamerica.com

At $125 a pop, I think I'd persevere

 

[GOPerfect]

More fake news....

He is not the only FFL in DC. Granted, there are not many, but he is/was not the only one.

 

[BDinPutnam]

What's the legal framework and precedent for cops being the FFL? I don't mean individual cops who happen to have one, I mean the actual governmental agency.

 

[GOPerfect]

What's the legal framework and precedent for cops being the FFL? I don't mean individual cops who happen to have one, I mean the actual governmental agency.

Seems very off....

 

[BDinPutnam]

Seems very off....

"NICS says 'denied'"; "NICS says 'delayed'".

Is Joe Schmo going to argue with a cop over this? In the cop house?

 

[Airborneguy]

@BDinPutnam , good question.

I know that here, for years, the NYPD equipment section sold our duty guns thinking it fell under the same laws as apply when issuing them to recruits.

In 2016, I bought my Glock 19 ridiculously cheap while at a DV conference at the academy, which I then switched to from the S&W 5946. Two months later, the Feds told them that what they were doing was illegal. They only had authority to purchase and then issue guns to cops for free, not sell them. They haven’t sold guns since.

I don’t know how that applies for this arrangement with DC, but that’s what happened here.

 

[spat]

@BDinPutnam , good question.

I know that here, for years, the NYPD equipment section sold our duty guns thinking it fell under the same laws as apply when issuing them to recruits.

In 2016, I bought my Glock 19 ridiculously cheap while at a DV conference at the academy, which I then switched to from the S&W 5946. Two months later, the Feds told them that what they were doing was illegal. They only had authority to purchase and then issue guns to cops for free, not sell them. They haven’t sold guns since.

I don’t know how that applies for this arrangement with DC, but that’s what happened here.

Just getting the necessary federal license shouldn't be prohibitively difficult if they seriously wanted to continue.

 

[Airborneguy]

Just getting the necessary federal license shouldn't be prohibitively difficult if they seriously wanted to continue.

Agreed, but I believe it would’ve had to have been tied to a specific someone to follow the law, which becomes the problem. Being that the department didn’t really benefit from this in any way (no profit, they sold under Blue Label prices), they opted to just stop doing it.

There was talk of them selling off-duty approved firearms again about 2 years ago when a new batch got approved, but it went no where.

Oh and the other issue was they weren’t doing NICS checks. All they did was run NYPD internal systems to make sure you weren’t under any investigations. That wasn’t legal “enough” either. They get around that for new hires because they are still going through a much more intrusive background examination at that point.

 

[Saltwater60]

Interesting situation. I’d be curious to see how this plays out.

 

[ECU Pirates]

@BDinPutnam , good question.

I know that here, for years, the NYPD equipment section sold our duty guns thinking it fell under the same laws as apply when issuing them to recruits.

In 2016, I bought my Glock 19 ridiculously cheap while at a DV conference at the academy, which I then switched to from the S&W 5946. Two months later, the Feds told them that what they were doing was illegal. They only had authority to purchase and then issue guns to cops for free, not sell them. They haven’t sold guns since.

I don’t know how that applies for this arrangement with DC, but that’s what happened here.

I take it the feds made arrests like they would if I just decided to sell handguns out of my garage..... I kid I kid....
How cheap was the Glock? I thought when issued they were yours already? Technically they still belong to the nypd? So if a guy retires after 25 years with the same gun he has to give it back?

 

[Airborneguy]

No you keep the guns. When I started I chose the S&W, so that was my free gun. Fourteen years in, I decided I wanted to retire it, so I bought the Glock, but if you want to switch, it’s on you unless your original breaks and can’t be repaired. They were about to approve the 17 but since the mags are 15 regardless, I didn’t see the point.

 

[ECU Pirates]

No you keep the guns. When I started I chose the S&W, so that was my free gun. Fourteen years in, I decided I wanted to retire it, so I bought the Glock, but if you want to switch, it’s on you unless your original breaks and can’t be repaired. They were about to approve the 17 but since the mags are 15 regardless, I didn’t see the point.

Wait they issue 17’s with 15 round mags?!

 

[Airborneguy]

Wait they issue 17’s with 15 round mags?!

Yup lol

I’ve told you guys its not all fun and games. The trigger alone negates 50% of the positives of being exempt.

 

[ECU Pirates]

Yup lol

I’ve told you guys its not all fun and games. The trigger alone negates 50% of the positives of being exempt.

You have some real fucking idiots in charge. What rational reason could there be to using 15 in a gun that holds 17?

 

[Airborneguy]

It was explained to me that they did it for uniformity purposes when investigating shootings involving multiple officers with the different guns.

 

[ECU Pirates]

It was explained to me that they did it for uniformity purposes when investigating shootings involving multiple officers with the different guns.

Get rid of spare mags then I guess?

 

[Airborneguy]

The mags are the same as 17 mags just blocked from the manufacturer.

 

[ECU Pirates]

The mags are the same as 17 mags just blocked from the manufacturer.

Right. So it’s to be able to investigate how many times each officer shot? I guess I still don’t get why they all have to have 15 rounders. Can’t an investigator count past 15? Look at a 17 round mag, see three left in it and do the math? I’m not getting it I guess.