Phoenix cops kill man responding to noise complaints

[Doc8404]

WATCH: Phoenix Cops Kill Man after Responding to Noise Complaint over Video Game

Ryan Whitaker was sitting at home with his girlfriend playing video games when he was killed by police.

newsmaven.io

I will MMQB this.
bad shoot.

 

[E the massive]

He probably smoked weed in high school. Good job bois.

 

[Marine Cpl]

It always seems like I’m against the grain on everything. In this case, I’m not. The guy was an idiot. He was walking out of his apartment with a gun in his hand hanging low. Not very smart or tactical. If it were criminals, he just gave them a gun.

What he should have done was to keep the gun in his hand pointed at the door and crack the door and hold it with his foot to keep it from being pushed all the way open if he was to open it to see what was going on.

That way if they were criminals, he could step back and fire. If they were cops, he could have holstered it, dropped it, or closed the door if possible to put the gun away.

 

[Chevusa]

Yeah, don't ever answer the door holding a gun when the cops are there. That's not the worst thing he did though. His aggressive lunge towards the cop was pretty stupid and threatening. He didn't even know the other cop was there. Just opened the door and lunged towards the cop with the flashlight on. Where did he learn this technique when answering the door during a late night knock? My first instinct isn't to jump on someone at the door. I wonder if he was involved with some bad dudes. Also what apartment door doesn't have a peep hole? I bet his probably did. This guy was just a dummy all the way around. Too bad it cost him his life this time.

 

[libertysnake]

It always seems like I’m against the grain on everything. In this case, I’m not. The guy was an idiot. He was walking out of his apartment with a gun in his hand hanging low. Not very smart or tactical. If it were criminals, he just gave them a gun.

What he should have done was to keep the gun in his hand pointed at the door and crack the door and hold it with his foot to keep it from being pushed all the way open if he was to open it to see what was going on.

That way if they were criminals, he could step back and fire. If they were cops, he could have holstered it, dropped it, or closed the door if possible to put the gun away.

It's possible he didn't hear it was the police. Even so, agreed you don't just bolt out of your apartment with a gun in hand.

That being said, he also didn't point it at anyone or raise it. It's a little gray area if a non-LEO would get charged for a similar shoot. but I'd say probably justified.

 

[Chevusa]

It's possible he didn't hear it was the police. Even so, agreed you don't just bolt out of your apartment with a gun in hand.

That being said, he also didn't point it at anyone or raise it. It's a little gray area if a non-LEO would get charged for a similar shoot. but I'd say probably justified.

You don't have to wait until you're looking down the barrel. Would a reasonable person have a reasonable fear for their life? That is all that is required. The bar is much lower than people realize. If someone takes aggressive movement towards you while holding a gun you are absolutely justified, cop or not.

 

[spat]

You don't have to wait until you're looking down the barrel. Would a reasonable person have a reasonable fear for their life? That is all that is required. The bar is much lower than people realize. If someone takes aggressive movement towards you while holding a gun you are absolutely justified, cop or not.

Would he have been justified shooting the cops who were knocking on his door with their guns drawn ?

Sure seems like he would have had a justifiable fear. He did end up dead.

 

[Chevusa]

Would he have been justified shooting the cops who were knocking on his door with their guns drawn ?

Sure seems like he would have had a justifiable fear. He did end up dead.

Cops hands were up on his vest. Gun not drawn until one was spotted and aggressive motion.

 

[Carlos Hathcock]

I don't feel like this was a good day from either perspective. I don't think he opened the door with the proper thought process. On the other hand, I didn't see him raising the gun up. He did show his empty hand and it would've been my natural reaction to possibly fall back into the doorway. While not being in their shoes, I think they reacted a bit to quickly. Again, not in their shoes. The guy really appeared to be in a defensive position and didn't "seem" threatening to me. Just my $ .02.

 

[Doc8404]

Aggressive motion?

do you shit yourself each time a dog in your neighborhood barks?

 

[Chevusa]

Aggressive motion?

do you shit yourself each time a dog in your neighborhood barks?

The guy opened the door and lunged at the cop before he even realized it was a cop. He looked like he was shot out of a cannon. This is a fact of the situation and not up for debate. Go back and watch the video with your eyes open this time.

 

[Stuckinny]

To me he came out all tough, realized his mistake and tried to fix it, but cops reacted way too fast to allow him to follow their directions. Not sure why he would have come out that way into an unknown situation since no one in their right mind would answer the door like that knowing it was the cops. These are the situations where I sympathize for cops, complete unknown situation, they see a gun, training kicks in. My opinion, he tried to act all tough, got in over his head, and died for it. They were justified, barely, but patience could have allowed this guy to live. Patience also gets good cops hurt or killed.

 

[Toecutter]

My opinion, Bad shoot cop needs to be locked up. Ive lived in Phoenix guns are EVERYWHERE. You cant handle stress and think quick get a job in sanitation not as a cop.

 

[Jchrisls]

WATCH: Phoenix Cops Kill Man after Responding to Noise Complaint over Video Game

Ryan Whitaker was sitting at home with his girlfriend playing video games when he was killed by police.

newsmaven.io

I will MMQB this.
bad shoot.

Second this. Guy had no chance to obey verbal commands. Nervous new cop , 3 years on the force, itchy trigger, bad shoot.....very bad.

 

[Marine Cpl]

He killed himself. Plain and simple. Even if it were criminals outside with guns, it would have been the same result. He let his macho BS kill him.

Now from the cop’s perspective. Call comes through of domestic violence. You knock on the door peacefully (not break it down with a no knock warrant) and out comes a guy with a gun in his hand moving aggressively. I would have shot him too.

There’s a big difference between this and a no knock swat raid.

 

[Chevusa]

The guy came charging out with a gun in his hand. What were his intentions? I bet if it was anyone other than the cops (which he realized too late) he was going to put a gun in their face and be a tough guy.

In this case acting like a tough guy got him killed when his would be victims were cops and not some neighbor knocking to tell him to keep the noise down.

All the people who say they acted too quick are living in another world. In a split second they could have been dead.

 

[Blimey]

The guy was stupid, yes. He came out but the second he saw it was cops he put the gun behind his back and backed away with his hand up. Yet a moment later they still shoot.

He possibly brought this on himself in some way but I think a more astute cop would have realized what was happening and stopped himself from pulling the trigger.

Everybody screwed up.

 

[Marine Cpl]

The guy was stupid, yes. He came out but the second he saw it was cops he put the gun behind his back and backed away with his hand up. Yet a moment later they still shoot.

He possibly brought this on himself in some way but I think a more astute cop would have realized what was happening and stopped himself from pulling the trigger.

Everybody screwed up.

I just watched the video again. You have a point. He did put it behind him and dropped to the ground.

Regardless, he killed himself for his actions. The way things are going now, you have to be smarter than that.

 

[Stuckinny]

The guy was stupid, yes. He came out but the second he saw it was cops he put the gun behind his back and backed away with his hand up. Yet a moment later they still shoot.

He possibly brought this on himself in some way but I think a more astute cop would have realized what was happening and stopped himself from pulling the trigger.

Everybody screwed up.

I agree, a different cop responding may have led to a much different outcome. I would not want to be on the jury if this ever went to court. Taxpayers are going to be on the hook for a large settlement on this one.

 

[Chevusa]

I agree, a different cop responding may have led to a much different outcome. I would not want to be on the jury if this ever went to court. Taxpayers are going to be on the hook for a large settlement on this one.

It was a legal shoot. End of story.

 

[E the massive]

Bad shoot. Story continues.

 

[Stuckinny]

It was a legal shoot. End of story.

Yes, it probably met the strict legal basis. Cops have been exonerated for more egregious shoots. But in analyzing what went wrong, there is often more to it than that if we want to be better. No doubt this guy was an idiot, but was he a big enough idiot to be killed for it? Not legally, but morally.

 

[Chevusa]

Yes, it probably met the legal basis. But in analyzing what went wrong, there is often more to it than that if we want to be better. No doubt this guy was an idiot, but was he a big enough idiot to be killed for it? Not legally, but morally.

The answer is yes. His actions and his actions alone caused his death. The police nor anyone else needs to wait around to be shot before firing upon him. They could have been dead in a fraction of a second. Do you have a television? Do you really think the cops didn't have a reasonable fear for their lives? THAT is all that matters here.

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

I wonder if some of this is having one of those d-nozzle neighbors that is bothered by everything. I bet he didn't get that sleep he wanted. I don't think the shoot was good.

 

[repete]

It was a legal shoot. End of story.

So say you, lets wait and find out for sure. May not be any criminal charges but the city will probably be paying big bucks to make this go away.

 

[Chevusa]

So say you, lets wait and find out for sure. May not be any criminal charges but the city will probably be paying big bucks to make this go away.

It's common knowledge. Watch the video and examine the facts. It meets the legal requirement. Why would they pay when no wrongdoing occurred? Stupid acts do not warrant a payday.

 

[Acer-m14]

he got swatted .. btw i didn't hear any loud video game sounds when they knocked on the door ..

 

[Chevusa]

he got swatted .. btw i didn't hear any loud video game sounds when they knocked on the door ..

Relevance? They responded to a complaint call. The address was correct.

 

[Acer-m14]

they showed up .. no loud noise from said place .. no need to knock .. move on .. .. just saying

 

[Chevusa]

they showed up .. no loud noise from said place .. no need to knock .. move on .. .. just saying

Need to answer the complaint and make contact. I appreciate your opinion, but you don't have knowledge of how it works when a call is made and logged into the dispatch system.