RAK-10 PCC by NY Legal Arms

[Farmandguns1]

Just picked up an interesting carbine from NY Legal arms in Barton, NY. It’s a Romanian RAK-9mm produced by Nova Arms in Cugir. Pretty similar fit and finish to a Wasr-10 with one exception...it takes Glock mags! It has run wolf steel cased 9mm without any malfunctions. About 250 rounds so far. Gotta love 12 cent ammo! The rifle is featureless with the NYLAK stock and an AMD muzzle brake. The brake has been bored out to slide over the barrel, threaded on the muzzle end, then pinned and welded as a “thread protector. Just to be clear the brake is slid over the barrel almost like a free float rail. I think NY Legal arms still has a few in stock! All the custom work was done by NY Legal arms and they were amazing to work with!

 

[Camaro45th]

Just picked up an interesting carbine from NY Legal arms in Barton, NY. It’s a Romanian RAK-9mm produced by Nova Arms in Cugir. Pretty similar fit and finish to a Wasr-10 with one exception...it takes Glock mags! It has run wolf steel cased 9mm without any malfunctions. About 250 rounds so far. Gotta love 12 cent ammo! The rifle is featureless with the NYLAK stock and an AMD muzzle brake. The brake has been bored out to slide over the barrel, threaded on the muzzle end, then pinned and welded as a “thread protector. Just to be clear the brake is slid over the barrel almost like a free float rail. I think NY Legal arms still has a few in stock! All the custom work was done by NY Legal arms and they were amazing to work with!

Looks cool, congrats and safe shooting.

 

[Edwardteach72]

I have their NYLAK stock for my saiga And saw these on their fb page and if I had the cash at the time I would have snagged one one asap. Nice score post up a review if how it shootd

 

[Edwardteach72]

Edit, I see there is an initial range review lol.

I need to get ahold of the owner again and see if I can get him to do a complete work over on my saiga,

 

[Acer-m14]

will need a PP at box stores in NY for ammo lol ..

 

[Saltwater60]

Just curious why the grip is not considered a pistol grip? That looks gripable from the photos. Maybe it seems larger than it is.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Just curious why the grip is not considered a pistol grip? That looks gripable from the photos. Maybe it seems larger than it is.

It's not a pistol grip it is a stock

 

[Edwardteach72]

@Farmandguns1 handover to thordsen website they have plugs for the rear trunion that also doubles as a QD sling mount.

 

[BDinPutnam]

Edit, I see there is an initial range review lol.

I need to get ahold of the owner again and see if I can get him to do a complete work over on my saiga,

Not to be high maintenance but I can't find the review. This looks (potentially) bad ass.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Just curious why the grip is not considered a pistol grip? That looks gripable from the photos. Maybe it seems larger than it is.

That’s the first thing that came to my mind. If that is legal, than so is this stock that’s one piece.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Not to be high maintenance but I can't find the review. This looks (potentially) bad ass.

The actual first post, he mentions shooting like 250 rounds with no issues and what not

 

[BDinPutnam]

Except Thordsen has paperwork saying its legal; I do not recall if they have it for NY but they sure as shit ship them here and there are probably thousands of them on rifles in the state.

ETA thanks Ed I wasnt sure if I was missing another thread, lol.

 

[Edwardteach72]

ETA thanks Ed I wasnt sure if I was missing another thread, lol.

Yea, I mean I'm all for a good indepth review, cause all I saw originally was the gun porn and the shop mention (mostly because I have been following the shop for a while now, they sometimes get in Romanian PSLs' and will fill in the stock and damn I wish I had the $2,300 for the rifle/scope combo) but after going back to do the reading I saw he mentioned shooting it lol

 

[Farmandguns1]

Here are my impressions of the carbine so far:

The good:
-It functions great. I bump fired probably 100 rounds (without a bump fire stock) and it chugged right along.
-It works fine with both brass and wolf steel cased ammo.
-I find the carbine to be aesthetically pleasing.
-it’s a heavy gun so recoil is pretty tame for a direct blow back.

The bad:
- plastic magwell Glock adapter. Not so big of a deal since it is a plinker/range toy.
-roll pins used to pin the fsb and fake gas block. I would have liked to see heavy pins.
-plastic buffer in front of the rear trunnion in order to prevent over travel of the bolt. No wear on this part so I don’t think its a huge deal.

The RAK-9 is identical in operation to the NAK-9 and PAK-9 so if you are interested check out the reviews on YouTube.

The stock:
It’s actually very comfortable. As far as legality goes I don’t see a huge difference between the new thordsen ak stock and this one. I don’t think New York State even knows what is legal and what isn’t...I’d be interested to hear opinions on this.

 

[BDinPutnam]

Thank you for that! So I take it the magwell adapter is an aftermarket part? Just curious because I have one for an AR (courtesy of our own great @ArmedCorgi).

 

[Edwardteach72]

Here are my impressions of the carbine so far:

The good:
-It functions great. I bump fired probably 100 rounds (without a bump fire stock) and it chugged right along.
-It works fine with both brass and wolf steel cased ammo.
-I find the carbine to be aesthetically pleasing.
-it’s a heavy gun so recoil is pretty tame for a direct blow back.

The bad:
- plastic magwell Glock adapter. Not so big of a deal since it is a plinker/range toy.
-roll pins used to pin the fsb and fake gas block. I would have liked to see heavy pins.
-plastic buffer in front of the rear trunnion in order to prevent over travel of the bolt. No wear on this part so I don’t think its a huge deal.

The RAK-9 is identical in operation to the NAK-9 and PAK-9 so if you are interested check out the reviews on YouTube.

The stock:
It’s actually very comfortable. As far as legality goes I don’t see a huge difference between the new thordsen ak stock and this one. I don’t think New York State even knows what is legal and what isn’t...I’d be interested to hear opinions on this.

Nice.. yea the stock turned out to be much more comfortable than I ever expected. That being said it's still not as nice as a traditional stock and pistol grip, but feels/looks like it's more ergonomical than the thordsen.

 

[Farmandguns1]

Yes the magwell is and after market part. The carbine is meant to accept proprietary ak sized 9mm mags.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Yes the magwell is and after market part. The carbine is meant to accept proprietary ak sized 9mm mags.

Did you add the magwell or did they, cause the pictures I saw on FB had it with the proprietary ak style mags which looked awesome but also had me kind of think no thanks due to availability

 

[Farmandguns1]

Did you add the magwell or did they, cause the pictures I saw on FB had it with the proprietary ak style mags which looked awesome but also had me kind of think no thanks due to availability

Ny Legal arms added the magwell. If I was going to do it over again I would still get the Glock mag adapter. It’s pretty slick...

 

[Farmandguns1]

Just a few upgrades...
Arsenal handguards
Rpk rear sight (front sight was a tad canted)
Midwest side mount
Sig Romeo 5 red dot

 

[Edwardteach72]

Just a few upgrades...
Arsenal handguards
Rpk rear sight (front sight was a tad canted)
Midwest side mount
Sig Romeo 5 red dot

Its looking good.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Not sure if it has the Enhanced safety but if not I'd highly recommend one

 

[Farmandguns1]

Not sure if it has the Enhanced safety but if not I'd highly recommend one

Yes I have them on my saigas with the Monte Carlo stocks. I think you’re right!

 

[BDinPutnam]

Sorry, I got one other question- you said it was heavy (so was my AR9)- is it well balanced? I had a Thordsen AR stock on mine with a heavy barrel and did find it a bit muzzle heavy. Not terrible but noticeable enough that in it's new home in Michigan it wears a vertical foregeip.

 

[Farmandguns1]

Sorry, I got one other question- you said it was heavy (so was my AR9)- is it well balanced? I had a Thordsen AR stock on mine with a heavy barrel and did find it a bit muzzle heavy. Not terrible but noticeable enough that in it's new home in Michigan it wears a vertical foregeip.

It’s a tad nose heavy but only because of the Midwest side mount and the forward optic. There isn’t a real piston up top just a short counter weight for the blow back design.

 

[Farmandguns1]

Sorry, I got one other question- you said it was heavy (so was my AR9)- is it well balanced? I had a Thordsen AR stock on mine with a heavy barrel and did find it a bit muzzle heavy. Not terrible but noticeable enough that in it's new home in Michigan it wears a vertical foregeip.

Also the bolt and the carrier are one piece. It is really beefy. Much heavier than a standard ak.

 

[BDinPutnam]

Thanks much! It looks very fun.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

I have one for an AR (courtesy of our own great @ArmedCorgi).

A gun needs to be built...

 

[BDinPutnam]

A gun needs to be built...

I know it. I need to pick up a barrel, a glock bolt (my dremel skills are pitiful), and a handguard. Needs it's own thread....

 

[ArmedCorgi]

I know it. I need to pick up a barrel, a glock bolt (my dremel skills are pitiful), and a handguard. Needs it's own thread....

Ballistic Advantage makes a great 9mm bbl. I have one on my AR9. 16" 9mm Modern AR 15 Barrel | Ballistic Advantage
AIM Sports makes a swell handguard and is the hidden gem of the handguard world. We are talking free float, anti rotation tabs, Mlok for under 60 beans. https://www.opticsplanet.com/aim-sp...MIi4z5gu_Q4gIVFrvsCh15tQGgEAAYASAAEgLoGfD_BwE
The bolt is really the hard one. I went through some BS with the first bolt I bought for my AR9. It wouldn't work with my lower because it couldn't clear the bolt stop (even though it claimed to work with all Glock lowers). There is no standard spec with AR9's I guess. So just hold onto your receipts, lol.