Scenarios based weapons choice. Video in post (MP5 vs AK74u)

[Edwardteach72]

So kind of gotten hooked on 9hole reviews, and they have a fun segment where they give you a scenario and then two choices for how you'd arm yourself in that situation.

Well this particular one seems like a super fun poll and thought we could have some fun on here with it.

Scenario: watch video

Options
A) MP5a3 with aimpoint red dot and flashlight

B) AKs74u

 

[Edwardteach72]

So 9holes let's their pole go for 7 days.

I left this one open for 14 for 2 reasons

1) my posts don't usually get much engagement (hmm wonder why, JK idgaf)

2) anyone who may want to watch their live chat in a week and see their thoughts and maybe change their answer based on hear from experts

 

[Edwardteach72]

Cool cool loving all the opinions.

I am pretty sure I would go with the AKs72u just for the rifle calibers ballistic advantage over the 9mm

 

[fnfalguy]

Ak74. Familiarity of platform, penetration of soft armor and associated ballistics. Neat idea.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Ak74. Familiarity of platform, penetration of soft armor and associated ballistics. Neat idea.

At first I immediately thought MP5 cause optic and mp5.. but I think in this scenario irons wouldn't be to much of a hinderence compared to an early 90s aimpoint. Add on that 9mm from the early 90s is not the same as today's 9mm

 

[Cooolone]

Aks74U

Because carry the BIG stick wins!

9mm... Just NO, lol, not for a firefight IMO...

 

[Edwardteach72]

Aks74U

Because carry the BIG stick wins!

9mm... Just NO, lol, not for a firefight IMO...

Granted the MP5 has earned its long and amazing reputation for a reason, and if this scenario was solely based In a building or such then it could have some merits.

But with the possibility of fighting in urban streets with longer distance I would for sure go 7n6 > 9mm

And the AKs74u is still small enough to be maneuverable in small spaces such as the bus or any buildings you may end up in on the way

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

My first reaction was the mp5 in part due to aimpoint, light and expecting to potentially have to rapidly engage multiple targets it's a very controllable platform.


Then I reconsidered and would go for the ak74.

Reasons why;

Without knowing anything about the condition of either weapon and not testing them I would be more confident the ak74 will be reliable.
Presuming I'm a Russian, I'm trained, proficient and experienced on the AK74. All my muscle memory under stress will be the same

Due to having a potential need for barrier penetration the AK would prove to be superior in every ballistic comparison.

I would take the regular standard issue AK74





The only scenario I would take the MP5 is if it was possible to disguise our nationality and appear to be british or something as to not be an enemy of afghanistan locals and more likely to not be targeted. But since I don't think this is part of the exercise I left it out. But I would consider this of trying to disguise who we were and what we were doing.

 

[Edwardteach72]

My first reaction was the mp5 in part due to aimpoint, light and expecting to potentially have to rapidly engage multiple targets it's a very controllable platform.

This was me at very first then saw the AKs74u option and thought oh yea thats then quickly thought man I think the aimpoint is a force multiplier by so much maybe mp5 again.

But then after a few moments of thinking about it and 90s Era red dots and 9mm ammo went back to the 74u

 

[Will556]

So kind of gotten hooked on 9hole reviews, and they have a fun segment where they give you a scenario and then two choices for how you'd arm yourself in that situation.

Well this particular one seems like a super fun poll and thought we could have some fun on here with it.

Scenario: watch video

Options
A) MP5a3 with aimpoint red dot and flashlight

B) AKs74u

I really enjoy the 9-Hole Reviews YouTube channel. Good stuff!

 

[Will556]

This poll by 9-Hole is a tricky one with the addition of the Aimpoint and Surefire light to throw you off. Though the video appears to be a little misleading I think because the optic on the MP5A3 in the video does not appear to be chronologically correct (If I’m wrong and someone has better knowledge, let me know). It looks more like a version of a Comp which was not created in 1992, which is the year of this scenario. I believe one of the earliest versions of a Comp was one named the Comp ML, and that wasn’t created until around 1997, 5 years after this scenario. I think the closest optic that would have been “new” at the time was the 5000..a little different. As for the light situation, I believe having a light is a necessity on a duty weapon. On the other hand, that light at the time was trash. I believe it was the original Surefire 628 at the time, which was like 60 lumens (1hr run time) and they did eventually make a 120 lumen (20 min run time) version upgrade. I’m unsure of the timeline on the light upgrade. But even if it was the 120 lumens (and probably complete trash candela), it isn’t helping you with any engagements that are further than a possible few bedroom lengths away. The mission dictates the gear, if you’re dropped within close proximity to a structure to infil, complete extraction of people/precious cargo, and exfil with a known very close proximity extraction point...the MP5A3 could possibly work. But that MP5A3 is definitely outgunned with the outperforming 5.45x39. If there’s any chance you’re shooting in longer than cqb distances, AKS-74U wins. That’s why short pdw’s like the MP5’s work great for known distances, like naval boarding since they know the maximum possible engagement distances that are restricted by the size of the ship or boat. It’s scenario’s just like these which the 300blk was created for and excel at. Oh you want a 30cal 110gr projectile traveling at approximately 2100+fps out of a 9” barrel...we got you. You want a 30cal 220gr subsonic with little to zero muzzle flash (w/ suppressor) traveling at approximately 1,000+fps...there’s an option for that too, lol.

 

[Edwardteach72]

At work now so my research capabilities are limited but I was trying to find what Aimpoint Larry Vickers mentioned him and other Delta boys were running in the 80s

 

[Will556]

At work now so my research capabilities are limited but I was trying to find what Aimpoint Larry Vickers mentioned him and other Delta boys were running in the 80s

 

[Edwardteach72]

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He did a video on Forgotten weapons and I believe on his how yt channel after making a clone rifle for himself

 

[Will556]

At work now so my research capabilities are limited but I was trying to find what Aimpoint Larry Vickers mentioned him and other Delta boys were running in the 80s

I do know most of the time when Vickers is talking about his time in Delta, he’s referring to the CAR-15 setup in the 80’s. Which I would assume be around the time of the Aimpoint 2000 and possibly the 3000. Early 90’s was the introduction of the 5000. I’m trying to find him speaking of the MP5 setup. It’ll probably be hard to find because most likely the video that information is in, will be a video that’s not directed exactly towards MP5’s and will be harder to search.

 

[Edwardteach72]

So im a little bummed that Henry didn't include the actual Aimpoint model on the MP5a3

 

[Edwardteach72]

Speaking of MP5 I see it just got 2 votes..

Alright alright

 

[Darth]

 

[Will556]

So im a little bummed that Henry didn't include the actual Aimpoint model on the MP5a3

I’m almost positive it’s one of the exact same one’s he has in the S.A.S. episode. Which amazingly, he still never references which optic is on it. They are usually pretty thorough with their reviews and stating what everything is, but that’s also when they are shooting the course most of the time. But it’s definitely not an optic from 1992.

 

[Saltwater60]

I’d cheat because all is fair in love and war. I’d take both. I have a 16 passenger van and even if they aren’t trained in weapons a guy with a gun is better than a guy without a gun. People hear shooting and normally take cover. They can at least help with that.
Since they said ample ammo for both I’d personally take the AK because of larger caliber and better penetration through car doors. I’d give the MP-5 to some one else close by as a back up.

 

[Edwardteach72]

 

[Will556]

3/4 went with my mindset. I’m not sure what Henry was thinking about always running full auto, running full auto all the time isn’t always the best option. 5, 10, 15yrds...maybe depending on the situation but more distance than that and trying to hit a target with full auto in a real world dynamic environment isn’t as feasible as movies make it seem. He said he has no issue with ammo at that point so he wouldn’t mind running full auto, but if you’re shooting full auto, you’ll be running out of ammo quite fast. If you really want to think about it realistically, how many mags are you running with? You’re gonna just shoot full auto and eventually when you run out of mags, you’re just gonna have time to make a pit stop and load all your mags again? Also, I feel like you’re gonna have a better chance of coming across 5.45 than 9mm in that scenario. AKS-74U is lighter, has better ballistics, and ammo will be able to be replenished easier in that environment. I do agree with Henry that having a red dot is better than not but I’m not sure about him saying it’s better than irons at night. The red dot really only helps when you can see what you’re aiming at, which that Surefire 628 isn’t helping much at night. If it’s daylight, the red dot has an advantage. I still stick with my previous choice...AKS-74U. Don’t know what Henry was thinking lol.

 

[Edwardteach72]

3/4 went with my mindset. I’m not sure what Henry was thinking about always running full auto, running full auto all the time isn’t always the best option. 5, 10, 15yrds...maybe depending on the situation but more distance than that and trying to hit a target with full auto in a real world dynamic environment isn’t as feasible as movies make it seem. He said he has no issue with ammo at that point so he wouldn’t mind running full auto, but if you’re shooting full auto, you’ll be running out of ammo quite fast. If you really want to think about it realistically, how many mags are you running with? You’re gonna just shoot full auto and eventually when you run out of mags, you’re just gonna have time to make a pit stop and load all your mags again? Also, I feel like you’re gonna have a better chance of coming across 5.45 than 9mm in that scenario. AKS-74U is lighter, has better ballistics, and ammo will be able to be replenished easier in that environment. I do agree with Henry that having a red dot is better than not but I’m not sure about him saying it’s better than irons at night. The red dot really only helps when you can see what you’re aiming at, which that Surefire 628 isn’t helping much at night. If it’s daylight, the red dot has an advantage. I still stick with my previous choice...AKS-74U. Don’t know what Henry was thinking lol.

This is going to be my "podcast" for the ride home then I'll read dis

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

I'm not even gonna say which one I'd choose.

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

I do agree with Henry that having a red dot is better than not but I’m not sure about him saying it’s better than irons at night. The red dot really only helps when you can see what you’re aiming at, which that Surefire 628 isn’t helping much at night. If it’s daylight, the red dot has an advantage. I still stick with my previous choice...AKS-74U. Don’t know what Henry was thinking lol.

Don't forget. The AK has a rear night sight

 

[Will556]

Don't forget. The AK has a rear night sight

I thought you weren’t gonna say?

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

I thought you weren’t gonna say?

I still didn't! Just a bullet point. I'm not giving anything away!

 

[Will556]

I still didn't! Just a bullet point. I'm not giving anything away!

 

[Edwardteach72]

I'm not even gonna say which one I'd choose.

Was wondering if we'd see you or not

 

[Edwardteach72]

Alright got a good bit in will finish tomorrow on the way to work.

I do have to say I'm a bit disappointed in Henry and his choice and reasoning