silly permit recertification question

[Trauma47645]

What happens if you dont list all your pistols on the recert.. say you only list 1 but own 10..

The county knows what you have, the state apparently doesnt..

 

[Darth]

Andrew comes to your house and spanks you with a spatula.

 

[Trauma47645]

From what I have heard the state is not issuing new permit cards, so its not like pistols would be missing from your permit ID..

Or (and this maybe a stupid waste of money).. Transfer all your pistols to say your wifes permit.. Then send in your recertification, then transfer everything back to your permit, then send her recertification in..

Then you could truthfully send in a recertification with nothing on it..

 

[ArmedCorgi]

They would contact you to inquire about the pistols you didn't declare but they have a record of you owning, since they already have your info and know what you have. I get the idea of what you want to do, but it seems kind of pointless to transfer everything to your wife and then transfer everything back. The county forwards all amendments and changes to your permit to the SP.

 

[Trauma47645]

They would contact you to inquire about the pistols you didn't declare but they have a record of you owning, since they already have your info and know what you have. I get the idea of what you want to do, but it seems kind of pointless to transfer everything to your wife and then transfer everything back. The county forwards all amendments and changes to your permit to the SP.

IF that was the case, there would be no need for us to send a declaration page of what we own to the NYSP..

Something is extremely fucky with the whole situation..

 

[4excal]

The only "silly question" is any question on this silly subject. This thing didn't even have a website or an avenue to work properly a week ago..everyone should just chillax, take a deep breath and wait for it to become null and void, or at least wait for the 2 dozen changes that will happen when this whole clusterfuck doesn't work and they pull everything off the table or maybe until people with a brain make a true consistent statewide system that is tested. Craaaaazy to me that some of you want to run and be the guniea pig when a week ago the website even said "we don't know what the fuck we're doing either, we'll have some info in the short future(or something like that...)All I see, is what a laugh this is, attempting to cram different agencies into the same thing with people that are supposed to enforce these things not in the loop or against it (as my county permit issuing judge and clerk and troopers are) ahhh... And still it's not even close to December 31st 2017

 

[Trauma47645]

The only "silly question" is any question on this silly subject. This thing didn't even have a website or an avenue to work properly a week ago..everyone should just chillax, take a deep breath and wait for it to become null and void, or at least wait for the 2 dozen changes that will happen when this whole clusterfuck doesn't work and they pull everything off the table or maybe until people with a brain make a true consistent statewide system that is tested. Craaaaazy to me that some of you want to run and be the guniea pig when a week ago the website even said "we don't know what the fuck we're doing either, we'll have some info in the short future(or something like that...)All I see is what a laugh this is, attempting to cram different agencies into the same thing with people that are supposed to enforce these things not in the loop or against it (as my county permit issuing judge and clerk and troopers are)

My recert isnt due until 2019.. so i am in no rush.. i am just trying to find a way to avoid the system

 

[4excal]

My recert isnt due until 2019.. so i am in no rush.. i am just trying to find a way to avoid the system

2019? Aren't they trying to force everything by 2018?? I'm really asking honestly, not being sarcastic lol..cause my county is 0000 expiration date, I've got no letter from anyone and eitherway it will be read and chucked into the pile of "ominous" letters from the IRS....

 

[Gunner57]

2019? Aren't they trying to force everything by 2018?? I'm really asking honestly, not being sarcastic lol..cause my county is 0000 expiration date, I've got no letter from anyone and eitherway it will be read and chucked into the pile of "ominous" letters from the IRS....

Depends on date of issue

 

[Trauma47645]

2019? Aren't they trying to force everything by 2018?? I'm really asking honestly, not being sarcastic lol..cause my county is 0000 expiration date, I've got no letter from anyone and eitherway it will be read and chucked into the pile of "ominous" letters from the IRS....

My permit was issued in 2014 -- 5 years brings me to 2019..

 

[BerettaGuy]

Dead Permit holders are getting letters. People that have turned in their permits are getting letters.
Every County Hall basement is full of Pistol Permit files going back to 1911. You have paid money to the County to list your gun on their registration records so you could purchase the damn thing. Not in the Interweb era, the NY State Police have two choices to gather up all this info and clean out the mess.
Have you do it online for them, or after you mail it it, pay someone to input the data at a computer terminal.

Personally, I would love to answer, Already on file with the State of NY via the County Office of Pistol Permits.
Please contact Erie County for the information
Now that is neither untruthful or inaccurate nor is it a false statement. After all I paid good money for Erie County to record this info for NY State.

 

[Darth]

Dead Permit holders are getting letters. People that have turned in their permits are getting letters.
Every County Hall basement is full of Pistol Permit files going back to 1911. You have paid money to the County to list your gun on their registration records so you could purchase the damn thing. Not in the Interweb era, the NY State Police have two choices to gather up all this info and clean out the mess.
Have you do it online for them, or after you mail it it, pay someone to input the data at a computer terminal.

Personally, I would love to answer, Already on file with the State of NY via the County Office of Pistol Permits.
Please contact Erie County for the information
Now that is neither untruthful or inaccurate nor is it a false statement. After all I paid good money for Erie County to record this info for NY State.

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If dead people can vote, they can turn in this recert.

Screw up the system even more.

 

[BerettaGuy]

What happens if you dont list all your pistols on the recert.. say you only list 1 but own 10..

The county knows what you have, the state apparently doesnt..

Oh I get your question, How long would it take for them to realize it? (if ever)

Well based on my knowledge of databases, about 3 milliseconds.. all they have to do is query the County or first amass all the county databases into one file named Legacy Info and query against the new database when they get it finished. That is the hang up. So I guess about March of 2018 they will have it all done.

 

[BerettaGuy]

It would be cool to just make up people or create re-certs for liberals and send them in.

 

[wizrd]

A friend tried to recertify ONLINE yesterday, says he wasted over an hour trying to get through and send his stuff, -- then was timed out.....told to try again some other time...system is very busy, and knowing government, probably ineptly designed. I think I will go for the snail mail route when it's my time, with return receipt requested -- I don't trust the bastards in Albany.

 

[Trauma47645]

Oh I get your question, How long would it take for them to realize it? (if ever)

Well based on my knowledge of databases, about 3 milliseconds.. all they have to do is query the County or first amass all the county databases into one file named Legacy Info and query against the new database when they get it finished. That is the hang up. So I guess about March of 2018 they will have it all done.

Well with your reasoning.. if they could the information in about 3 milliseconds, then why are they requesting it from the people..

 

[Cooolone]

I wonder if the last amendment would reset the clock as the the 5 year window. I mean, when the county amends a license, err permit, hasn't it then reissued it? Performed a recertification to own, posses said firearms and notified NYSP? Hmmmm...

In addition, I'll have to read the UnSafe again... See the exact wording as to "WHO" is responsible for the recertification. I'm pretty sure it said something about the NYSP, so really, up until I receive any notice, from them, I'm not worrying about a thing. If it (letter) doesn't come certified, signature required mail, as it will be unsolicited, it probably goes in the trash as I don't know what it is.

 

[prambo]

The only "silly question" is any question on this silly subject. This thing didn't even have a website or an avenue to work properly a week ago..everyone should just chillax, take a deep breath and wait for it to become null and void, or at least wait for the 2 dozen changes that will happen when this whole clusterfuck doesn't work and they pull everything off the table or maybe until people with a brain make a true consistent statewide system that is tested. Craaaaazy to me that some of you want to run and be the guniea pig when a week ago the website even said "we don't know what the fuck we're doing either, we'll have some info in the short future(or something like that...)All I see, is what a laugh this is, attempting to cram different agencies into the same thing with people that are supposed to enforce these things not in the loop or against it (as my county permit issuing judge and clerk and troopers are) ahhh... And still it's not even close to December 31st 2017

As I've said before, I'll wait for a good while. Who knows could happen?

If there's a website, completing what's necessary, regardless of the Constitutionally of the law, can be done quickly.

 

[Marine Cpl]

What happens if you dont list all your pistols on the recert.. say you only list 1 but own 10..

The county knows what you have, the state apparently doesnt..

They do know. A copy of your initial application and every subsequent amendment is forwarded to the state by your county.

 

[Gunner57]

Holy fuck, we have a year to go. Ok, I'm all stocked up. Carry on.

 

[Trauma47645]

They do know. A copy of your initial application and every subsequent amendment is forwarded to the state by your county.

Then by your reasoning, they have the information, and have no need for us to submit a manifest to them

 

[Marine Cpl]

Then by your reasoning, they have the information, and have no need for us to submit a manifest to them

I asked my county clerk why I was filling out amendments in duplicate. She told me why.

List one pistol and see what happens. Do you really think they don't know?

The reasoning is explained in another thread that you participated in as well I believe.

 

[Trauma47645]

I asked my county clerk why I was filling out amendments in duplicate. She told me why.

List one pistol and see what happens. Do you really think they don't know?

The reasoning is explained in another thread that you participated in as well.

I have no idea if they know or not..

I am leaning towards not, just due to the fact that they are asking for the information from us..

 

[4excal]

A friend tried to recertify ONLINE yesterday, says he wasted over an hour trying to get through and send his stuff, -- then was timed out.....told to try again some other time...system is very busy, and knowing government, probably ineptly designed. I think I will go for the snail mail route when it's my time, with return receipt requested -- I don't trust the bastards in Albany.

FUCK THIS!

 

[Marine Cpl]

I have no idea if they know or not..

I am leaning towards not, just due to the fact that they are asking for the information from us..

They do and always have. Ask your county clerk if your information was forwarded previously instead of wondering.

 

[livingston]

What happens if you dont list all your pistols on the recert.. say you only list 1 but own 10..

The county knows what you have, the state apparently doesnt..

It has been my understanding that the county sends the state a copy of the paperwork submitted by you when you add a handgun.... At least that what was the procedure at my county clerks office .

 

[Trauma47645]

They do and always have. Ask your county clerk if your information was forwarded previously instead of wondering.

I am sure the information was forwarded.. But did the state put the information into a database.. stupidly shred the files.. toss them in a box in the basement of the capital building..or is Cuomo using them for toilet paper..

The fact that the state is asking for a manifest definitely points to them not having the information.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

I am sure the information was forwarded.. But did the state put the information into a database.. stupidly shred the files.. toss them in a box in the basement of the capital building..or is Cuomo using them for toilet paper..

The fact that the state is asking for a manifest definitely points to them not having the information.

That is the point, to streamline the information they already have (somewhere) into a database and to get you to do the work for them by inputting it with the online re-certification, versus them having to manually enter it with a mailed in form.

 

[minderasr]

I wonder if the last amendment would reset the clock as the the 5 year window. I mean, when the county amends a license, err permit, hasn't it then reissued it?

Wouldn't this be a fantastic loophole? You're now obligated to purchase a firearm every five years to avoid filing with the NYS Troopers for renewal.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

I wonder if the last amendment would reset the clock as the the 5 year window. I mean, when the county amends a license, err permit, hasn't it then reissued it? Performed a recertification to own, posses said firearms and notified NYSP? Hmmmm...

In addition, I'll have to read the UnSafe again... See the exact wording as to "WHO" is responsible for the recertification. I'm pretty sure it said something about the NYSP, so really, up until I receive any notice, from them, I'm not worrying about a thing. If it (letter) doesn't come certified, signature required mail, as it will be unsolicited, it probably goes in the trash as I don't know what it is.

The issued on date never changes on my permit after amendments are added. It's always the date my permit was signed and issued by my judge.