So There It Was - 22LR @ .044 Cents Per Round

[Glenn B]

The ammo was Aguila - 22 LR Standard Velocity SuperExtra LRN 40 Gr 500 Rounds- Brick. I was about to jump on it but then saw this under their terms & conditions:

New York – Although legal to ship/transfer to another registered ammo dealer on behalf of a customer, we will not be processing those orders this time.

Source: Terms and Conditions

These bastard scumbubbles running down the crack of a donkey's ass guys know it would be completely legal to ship ammunition to New Yorkers if it goes through a dealer (yes I know we can receive it directly or supposedly so) but they still will not ship to New York. Fuck them hard with that same donkey's dick until the donkey can't come anymore and then shove a burrito with lots of hot sauce up there too! Too bad for those nice people they did not realize they would have made lots of money shipping to New Yorkers.

Oh well, the search continues.

 

[GOYABEAN]

 

[Airborneguy]

My local shop told me Wednesday he can get me 5000 rounds for .22 for $200. Sounds crazy, but he swore. I might do it.

 

[Darth]

Wow, what a dickish way for them to state that. Was "no sales to NY" not good enough?

 

[Podmonkey]

Wow, what a dickish way for them to state that. Was "no sales to NY" not good enough?

Its kinda like stabbing a guy in the back and then farting as he takes his final gasp.

 

[Eddie Gunks]

Uuuummmmm????!!!!

Kind of ironic.....or uuuummm calling the kettle black, i mean come on already......

If required, shipping handling will be $35.00 flat rate. Will ship with lower 48 states with the following exceptions, no sales/shipping to NY City, Chicago, CA, MD, MA, CT. No shipping to AK, HI, foreign, overseas, U.S. possessions, military addresses or to anywhere where restricted or illegal. Must be shipped to an FFL. Not eligible for shipment to holder of C&R FFL. Buyer pays all FFL fees. If shipping required make sure your FFL accepts firearms from non-licensees as I ship direct to the FFL holder and I do not have an FFL. I will need a completely legible copy of your dealer's FFL. I also need a completely legible copy of buyer's government issued ID such as a drivers license showing complete name, DOB and current address. Will ship by UPS ground, insured and with adult signature required. For sale only to U.S. Citizens and legal resident aliens who are 18 years old or older.

Payment, with FFL and ID copy, must be received within 5 business days of you contacting me to buy the shotgun. I will accept only cash for a face to face sale or only a U.S. Postal Service money order if the rifle needs to be shipped. I usually ship within 5 business days of receipt of payment and required FFL and ID.

05/31/2017 - Edited to Add: Buyer must submit to NICS check performed by FFL holder (would not have thought this necessary to add in NY State but a buyer just backed out because he would not submit to the NICS check). Buyer pays NICS check fee and any other associated FFL dealer fee(s) if required.

You agreeing to purchase this firearm and your submitting payment to me is your affirmation that you are abiding by all terms and condition of this sale and that you are legally eligible to purchase, receive and possess this firearm to the place where it will be shipped.

 

[Glenn B]

My local shop told me Wednesday he can get me 5000 rounds for .22 for $200. Sounds crazy, but he swore. I might do it.

What brand of ammo?

 

[Glenn B]

Uuuummmmm????!!!!

Kind of ironic.....or uuuummm calling the kettle black, i mean come on already......

I am not a dealer. I do not have a lawyer on retainer, nor business insurance, nor an FFL as any real dealer should have. I cover my arse as I learned to do on GunBroker being a small time gun hobbyist. One difference between that dealer and I are is that the ammo dealer in question absolutely will not break his terms even though he is fully aware of the law in NY allowing him to ship here legally. I do not ship to places where I am unaware of the law but where I know the law is not gun friendly (truly that it is super unfriendly); there is quite the difference there being he knows he can ship here legally. Then again, there is even more of a difference, I do reconsider my terms and make exceptions from time to time depending on circumstance. So, despite my listed terms, I have already broken them to sell to folks who were outside of where I say I will ship. Just ask the guy I recently shipped to in Alaska or the guy in CT last year or some time back the two in NYC to whom I sold firearms. You want to see that as the same, go ahead and see it that way.

As for your pontificating before you know of what you write, maybe you should have inquired of me first. I have made inquiries with two dealers of whom I am aware in Norman, OK and they are both in my opinion, arsehats - one of them cursing out New Yorkers when I made an inquiry saying in essence they always try to do something unethical when they ordered from him so he stopped sending to NY.

Besides that, if you did not see the humor in my post with obvious reference to the donkey in the song Mud Shark by Frank Zappa, maybe you take life too seriously or just have never enjoyed Zappa and his music.

 

[Airborneguy]

What brand of ammo?

I didn't ask, we were walking into our gun club meeting. But I am going to find out for sure.

 

[meketrefe]

Locally I bought a few cases of the speer 40gr.
Good ammo too not the remington garbage.
Local Gun Shop. Put them in the trunk and drive.

 

[Eddie Gunks]

I am not a dealer. I do not have a lawyer on retainer, nor business insurance, nor an FFL as any real dealer should have. I cover my arse as I learned to do on GunBroker being a small time gun hobbyist. One difference between that dealer and I are is that the ammo dealer in question absolutely will not break his terms even though he is fully aware of the law in NY allowing him to ship here legally. I do not ship to places where I am unaware of the law but where I know the law is not gun friendly (truly that it is super unfriendly); there is quite the difference there being he knows he can ship here legally. Then again, there is even more of a difference, I do reconsider my terms and make exceptions from time to time depending on circumstance. So, despite my listed terms, I have already broken them to sell to folks who were outside of where I say I will ship. Just ask the guy I recently shipped to in Alaska or the guy in CT last year or some time back the two in NYC to whom I sold firearms. You want to see that as the same, go ahead and see it that way.

As for your pontificating before you know of what you write, maybe you should have inquired of me first. I have made inquiries with two dealers of whom I am aware in Norman, OK and they are both in my opinion, arsehats - one of them cursing out New Yorkers when I made an inquiry saying in essence they always try to do something unethical when they ordered from him so he stopped sending to NY.

Besides that, if you did not see the humor in my post with obvious reference to the donkey in the song Mud Shark by Frank Zappa, maybe you take life too seriously or just have never enjoyed Zappa and his music.

I do find enormous amount of humor in it.

I deal with the "no shipping to ny" all the time. It is a constant battle. AND i have all my paperwork and i still have trouble getting "supplies".

 

[MoMan]

Dick's Sporting Goods (I know, I know!!), had Winchester 22's in the sale slinger for $49.95, for 2-500 round packs. That was in the ad down here, I'm gonna believe it was a national advertised price.

 

[Acer-m14]

I would have to dig in my FB posts but i got a ad for 5000 22lr same brand for like 249.00 it wasnt from ammoking i know that ..

 

[Saltwater60]

Wow now you should go looking for Bigfoot.

 

[Glenn B]

Bullet Guy,

You know, your post got me to thinking - maybe my terms are too restrictive. So I decided I should do more checking on some states and or cites to which I currently do not usually ship to see if I should ease up on my terms, or tighten them, or leave them as they are. So I did some research.

I may have to leave NYC forever on the list of places in which I will not sell or to which I normally will not ship a firearm. As far as I can remember every rifle I own would be illegal in New York City because they all can and do hold more than 5 rounds of ammunition. As far as selling a pistol to someone in NY City, I am very leery to do so because of their convoluted laws and NCPD requirements (my county). If I ship a pistol into NYC, or a rifle or shotgun, to an FFL and it is determined the buyer cannot legally take possession - who is to pay for the FFL Transaction on my end when it gets shipped back to me? I am not an FFL. Anyway, as per the latest NCPD handbook, to ship a pistol would require me to go through an FFL on my end in the first place. That is an absolute as per my conversation with Police Officer Imperiale {spelling?} of the NCPD handgun licensing office; although, I am not certain it is required by the handbook for a sale within NYS. Then it has to be sent through an FFL on the buyer's end. Even if the buyer pays the fee on his end, it would be cost prohibitive for me to have to pay an FFL on my end. I could go around that I suppose by traveling into the city to sell a handgun but I am very leery to do so because of the NYPD's attitude toward the RKBA - arrest first, often even if gun is possessed legally, and let the courts sort it out while person arrested build up huge legal defense fees. I also do not sell ammo to anyone in NYC because when I sell ammo in is virtually always in quantities higher than those allowed to be possessed with city limits (the limit is 200 rounds). Some info on restrictions in NYC can be seen here.

In states like CA and MA, pistols are quite restricted in terms of what one can legally possess in those places. For example, I am currently selling a Taurus PT140. It is not listed as a Handgun Certified For Sale in CA, see this. Nor is it listed as an Approved Firearm in the state of MA, see this. If I sold the Taurus PT140 to someone in either of those states, it would be illegal as far as I understand. The PT140 is on the approved list of handguns in MD, I may remove MD from the list but have to do some checking first. Then again - right now - I do not sell pistols over state lines due to another consideration. Nassau County has a requirement (not sure if this is statewide) that I go through an FFL dealer on my end as well as on the buyers end to ship a handgun out of state, that is in te handbook. Thus it has become cost prohibitive for me to sell pistols out of state altogether and thus the reason the Taurus PT140 I currently have up for sale on this site is being offered as local sale only. If that dealer to dealer rule is dropped, I will drop that term/condition and start selling to out of state folks again.

As far as going through an FFL dealer goes, I was hit with an additional requirement just the other day. I was planning on shipping a RIA 1911 back to their facility in Pahrump, NV for warranty work. I called the NCPD to determine if it was still legal for me to go to FedEx and drop it off since RIA sent me a FedEx label to do so. I was told, in no uncertain terms, that it was not legal for me to do so and I would have to send it through a local FFL. So, that is what I did. I do not believe how restrictive gun laws and regulations have become but I abide by them when knowledgeable of them and if I am ignorant of them in strict anti-gun states, I err on the side of caution. However, if I know shipping or selling to someone is legal, and not cost prohibitive, I do not hesitate to do so while following the rules.

I normally do not ship to Hawaii or Alaska due to the shipping headaches involved (shipping to Barrow, Alaska with UPS wound up being a major headache) and because of the cost of shipping which in 99.9% of cases makes it cost prohibitive for the buyer. I almost always offer flat rate shipping/handling but could not do that for either HI or AK. That all has nothing to do with state guns laws; although, Hawaii's guns laws would have to be reviewed by me before I even considered shipping there since the gun laws there are quite restrictive.

I absolutely do not ship to foreign or to U.S. possessions overseas. I also, like you, do not ship to APO or FPO addresses. Neither of those will change.

I will have to do more checking on sales and shipping of rifles and shotguns to those places to which I currently restrict shipping or sales. For example, I will in all probability take CT off of the list. CA will probably stay on it because I cannot make heads or tales out of their laws; yet, I am open to more information and to taking them off of the list if convinced I can legally sell there. MA is questionable and may come off of the list. MD may also come off. Chicago is a boondoggle much like NYC and I probably will never ship there unless someone can enlighten me on their convoluted laws.

Thanks for the criticism, it has helped me reconsider my terms and conditions.

All the best,
Glenn B

 

[spat]

I look at the "won't ship to NY" places like a pizza place that won't deliver to certain neighborhoods.

They know there is nothing wrong or illegal about shipping you ammo, or bringing you your pizza. They just don't think it's worth the risk of dealing with the hoodlums who run the place if they decide to get pissy.

 

[Airborneguy]

I won't support anyone who restricts fellow gun owners. Even a lot of what Glenn says above about NYC isn't true at all. For example, its not "can accept more than 5 rounds". Civilians just cannot own larger magazines unfortunately for rifles that accept them. And as a retired federal officer, you're not in any danger of being arrested for carrying a firearm here. That's absolute nonsense.

Not going into it, just leave it at no chance I'm supporting anyone who hurts gun owners by choice for any reason and I will always speak negatively of any who do to hopefully affect their business.

 

[nortatoga]

The ammo was Aguila - 22 LR Standard Velocity SuperExtra LRN 40 Gr 500 Rounds- Brick. I was about to jump on it but then saw this under their terms & conditions:

@Glenn B , Target Sports has this ammo for $249.00 with free shipping for a case to your door.

 

[Glenn B]

Even a lot of what Glenn says above about NYC isn't true at all.

I supplied one link above to info about the 5 round limit in shotguns and rifles. You call that claim not true at all but where is your data? Here is a news article about enforcement of that rule from a few years back: https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxn...ts-owners-multi-clip-shotguns-rifles.amp.html

Maybe it has changed since then but if so show me the data to support your claim that there is no 5 round capacity limit for long guns in NYC..

 

[Airborneguy]

My data is that 10/22's are pretty much the standard .22 rifle at my range (as they are everywhere). My civvie friend just recently picked up the take-down version.

Any rifle must be bought with 5rd mags and the dealer must provide a receipt that shows that is what it came with. Whatever you do after that, is on you.

Another "data" point is that my step-father has on his NYC rifle/shotgun permit both a Garand (8rd) and a .30 Carbine. The Garand is ok because although everyone knows it can basically only be loaded with the 8rds, the city "accepts" that dummies can be added to the clip to load the "legal" 5 (no one does).

 

[Glenn B]

Here is the NYC admin code pertaining to the 5 round capacity relative to rifles and shotguns:

b. No person may possess an ammunition feeding device which is designed for use in a rifle or shotgun and which is capable of holding more than five rounds of rifle or shotgun ammunition, unless such person is exempt from subdivision a of section 10-303.1 pursuant to section 10-305, provided that a dealer in rifles and shotguns may possess such ammunition feeding devices for the purpose of disposition authorized pursuant to subdivision a of this section.

Did I word it same as that? No I did not but ot means the same thing, you in essence cannot legally posses a rifle or shotgun that holds more than 5 rounds in the mag because you cannot possess such mags. Has that changed since it was effected?

 

[Glenn B]

 

[Glenn B]

My data is that 10/22's are pretty much the standard .22 rifle at my range (as they are everywhere). My civvie friend just recently picked up the take-down version.

Any rifle must be bought with 5rd mags and the dealer must provide a receipt that shows that is what it came with. Whatever you do after that, is on you.

Another "data" point is that my step-father has on his NYC rifle/shotgun permit both a Garand (8rd) and a .30 Carbine. The Garand is ok because although everyone knows it can basically only be loaded with the 8rds, the city "accepts" that dummies can be added to the clip to load the "legal" 5 (no one does).

Whay you replied with are anecdotes not data.

 

[Airborneguy]

You get 5rd mags... where's the confusion here?

You can disbelieve me, that's fine. But I'm stating the truth and gave examples. I'd provide a picture of my stepfather's permit but I don't care enough about your opinion to risk that personal information breech.

 

[Airborneguy]

Whay you replied with are anecdotes not data.

Anecdotes that are real people who went through the process required here and registered said firearms according to the law.

You seem hung up on the fact that any magazine-fed firearm can potentially be fed with a larger than 5rd mag. That's not how the city bans guns.

As long as the owner proves that they purchased the firearm initially with only 5rd mags, the registration will be approved.

I just remembered that my friend with the take-down also has an ARES SCR on his permit. It was the first rifle he ever bought actually.

 

[Glenn B]

The links and documentation I presented suggest otherwise. If you have documentation to show what you say is correct then please provide it but anecdotes do not carry any weight as data or proof of anything. I would love to be shown that I am wrong on this one but need substantive proof to that effect. The letters that were,allegedly sent out indicate a rifle or shotgun must be rendered incapable of accepting mags holding more than 5 rounds.

 

[Airborneguy]

I'm not posting pictures of their permits with the listed firearms, so it is what it is.

This conversation makes me want to shoot the Garand though. I'll have to ask my step-father to borrow it again soon.

 

[Airborneguy]

Oh, and you can reference the "old forum" for a whole thread about the AREs SCR. A member of that forum actually was the one who got it approved for NYC. Since that rifle accepts AR mags, obviously it can have more than 5 rounds.

BUT, like I said, with a receipt showing it was purchased with 5rd mags only, it's legal.

 

[Glenn B]

Oh, and you can reference the "old forum" for a whole thread about the AREs SCR. A member of that forum actually was the one who got it approved for NYC. Since that rifle accepts AR mags, obviously it can have more than 5 rounds.

BUT, like I said, with a receipt showing it was purchased with 5rd mags only, it's legal.

I am sorry but you have lost me. Are you saying I made reference to an old forum in this thread? I don't think I did so. Edited to add: Never mind, I had to read it again understand now what u meant.

Anyway, I will leave it at this: If anyone can show definitive proof to me that I could sell my rifles and shotguns, that are capable of holding more than 5 rounds, in NYC, please do so. As I essentially said above, I would be happy to find out I am wrong in thinking I cannot legally do so.

 

[Airborneguy]

That old thread is definitive proof. The member posted the letter he got approving it.

Or you could just call a NYC FFL...