ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
What does TS even sell? I'm trying to get on their Website and I keep getting an error message saying my IP is blocked because it's in NY.
Target Sports no Longer shipping to NY
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Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
You got me. I went around creating different usernames and posting these screenshots in different forums. Get real.
I thought it was always like this? If you buy ammo online I thought it has to go to the FFL
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
No. They don't have BGC system in place.
Wth is BGC? Bad Girls Club? I am so confused, this whole time I could've boughten discount ammo online and have it shipped to my house?
Doc8404
.450/400 Nitro Ex
They go back and forth. Right now they are.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Background check. Yes. You could have bought ammi online. The problem is after the Unsafe Act passed in 2013, they never implemented a system for BGC's so the law cannot be implemented yet the state still harasses online merchants.
GOD DAMMIT
JRtraderny
6.5 Creedmoor
Hmmm shipping label created , waiting on fedex..............................................
7.62x51FMJ
9mm
Forget all this crap. TS is now shipping to us again. I placed an order 12/22 for a couple hundred rounds of goodness. Was delivered the other day unmolested by New York.
Order away Boys! Party's on!
Order away Boys! Party's on!
Soooo, all of those websites about the ammo getting shipped to a FFL are a lie?
Doc8404
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Yes
Not one of those so called posts from TS contain an order number, nor do they identify and address of the attempted purchase at least by Zip Code. Point is, TS has not stopped shipping to NY, but thanks for your concern.
The AG of NY has no authority outside its borders and cannot send a letter, order or anything to anyone regardless which has any teeth, if so, don't you think they'd tell all those evil feature manufacturers to stop producing in case they ended up in NY? If it wanted, it could try to effectuate a Federal Complaint as what TS is engaged in is Interstate Commerce, lol. The AG of NY "could" try and obtain a client list of those who received shipments form TS in NY, but then again, the wording in the Safe Act requires the BG system to be in place for the ammo component to be in effect. In addition, the NYSP is "REQUIRED" to provide notification that the system is in place and "OPERATIONAL" prior to the clause being in effect. So, yeah, go ahead, keep feeding the trolls that somehow or another the AG told just "one" vendor, to stop. And lastly, for all the sheeple worried about this, the Safe Act contains requirements of the "seller" not the purchaser in this regard, so even if a vendor ships to you, you have no culpability, so relax.
Edit to add: please educate me how the AG can notify a commercial enterprise outside its State Borders to cease and desist an activity which is not unlawful? Please explain so I may learn...
Lmao...
The AG of NY has no authority outside its borders and cannot send a letter, order or anything to anyone regardless which has any teeth, if so, don't you think they'd tell all those evil feature manufacturers to stop producing in case they ended up in NY? If it wanted, it could try to effectuate a Federal Complaint as what TS is engaged in is Interstate Commerce, lol. The AG of NY "could" try and obtain a client list of those who received shipments form TS in NY, but then again, the wording in the Safe Act requires the BG system to be in place for the ammo component to be in effect. In addition, the NYSP is "REQUIRED" to provide notification that the system is in place and "OPERATIONAL" prior to the clause being in effect. So, yeah, go ahead, keep feeding the trolls that somehow or another the AG told just "one" vendor, to stop. And lastly, for all the sheeple worried about this, the Safe Act contains requirements of the "seller" not the purchaser in this regard, so even if a vendor ships to you, you have no culpability, so relax.
Edit to add: please educate me how the AG can notify a commercial enterprise outside its State Borders to cease and desist an activity which is not unlawful? Please explain so I may learn...
Lmao...
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ECU Pirates
.308 Win
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Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
The office of the AGNY can and does send letters to other states everyday, they may go to that states AG, a company doing business in NY, usually both. They may even contain what some might reason as threats if certain conditions are not met. I am not a lawyer, but if you think this is not done you are being naive. What the content might be(?), that would depend on the circumstances. Just the threat, veiled or not, of litigation will get most any small business with limited resources to fold their tent and move on when the thought of being tied up in court against a government with virtually unlimited resources. And yes, if you do business in this state you can be subpoenaed from out of state, to this state, legally.
Robin
Robin
spat
.950 JDJ
Just like this:
New York City Sues 15 Gun Dealers in 5 States, Charging Illegal Sales
If you are running a business, how many of these lawsuits do you think you can afford to win ?
Since it is an AG suing you in their official capacity, good luck getting any kind of money in a countersuit.
that was 2006
Gunright
.45 acp
So what happened with this case? Specifically in terms of the filing in NYS, not any evidence turned over to the ATF?
Sorry, but no, the State of NY has absolutely NO Jurisdiction outside its borders, let alone when there is absolutely NO illegal activity to address. Laughable. Yes, they can send letters, and they go right in the garbage can. TS is not conducting business in NY, only shipping to residents here, legally.
Bloomberg era attempts do not apply, you need to post what happened to those operating "LEGALLY"... We are talking apples and oranges in this respect. Again, NY sent investigators to other States, they had no jurisdiction other than to then notify the State AG their findings and ask for action. That is entirely up to the State then in which the business is conducted. TS has millions of rounds in stock and dies a pretty brisk business all "LEGAL". There are defined and distinct differences to pawn shops selling guns, and other Gunshops selling guns unscrupulously but in that State, still legal.
Anyways, I'm done here (thread), enjoy the New Year Everyone, I wish health and happiness to all.
I tried to make an order today and it wouldn't let me change the shipping address from my billing address. That's how I always got around this.
spat
.950 JDJ
They can't legally do most of what they do. But they can use the power of the state to bully people into compliance all day long.
Hell, all of SAFE is them using the resources of the state to bully people in a way that could never withstand rigorous legal scrutiny.
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
You accept an order placed from my address, ship that order to my address from out of state, you are doing business in NY. I really don't understand what kind of point you are trying to make, legally or in any other context.
Robin
Robin
Haha, true that!
But TS knows Bullying don't mean squat, as do a few others. It speaks volumes and is a main reason that even if a few $.01+ per round, I'm going to support them, not that they need my business, but on principal.
It's unfortunate so many of the big retailers just run and buckle under the 'don't want any problems' banner...
Glenn B
.308 Win
Now that bogus email gave me my first laugh of the new year.
Glenn B
.308 Win
The claims made in some of the posts in this thread would be very informative if there was factual data to back up some of them. Mostly though this seems to me to be a just one big bullshit session with a bit of anxiety mixed into it due to the quasi-tyranny under which we live.
MikeyCNY
6.5 Creedmoor
This is the Internet man, we don't need no stinkin' facts!
Glenn B
.308 Win
Nothing wrong with a good BS session.
4excal
.338 Win Mag
Only the scardy cats fell for that few years ago. Many companies still shipped right to our door..and still do. You only needed a sak to place the order and wait and see what type of man in a uniform was coming to the door in a few days
JRtraderny
6.5 Creedmoor
I used to buy a lot from SGAmmo.com they won't accept that NYS isn't enforcing the ammo provision right now , but this is what they're telling the Cali folks and I quote this from one of SGAmmo's emails "Attention California clients, there has been a lot of confusion about the recent laws passed regarding online ammo sales. We get to ship ammo to CA until January 1st 2018, so one more year before the ammo part of the new law goes into effect."
Assholes.......................
Assholes.......................
I went on my phone and emailed targetsportsusa. They informed me they shipped to NYS unless you are in the city.
Not sure what everyone is talking about.
Not sure what everyone is talking about.