Tucker Carlson and Trump Stun America—Powerful People Are Scared!

[Acer-m14]

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Scary times.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

I'll also add that perhaps the time is right to push for either another amendment or to amend the 1st by adding that no industry, business or corporation, private or public may abridge or infringe on the rights of the people.

They are getting away with this because big tech isn't the government, and the 1st only protects against the government censoring people.

 

[Calculon]

Creating an amendment that regulates speech isn’t the answer. That would be giving .gov the right to do what big tech is doing.

The answer (or part of it) is in breaking up these tech giants and media companies. Too much power in too few hands.

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

I think the way the 1st is right now is perfect. These "big tech" companies can do whatever they want.

 

[ProgSpear]

There are precedents. I recall when "Ma Bell" was the big dog tech outfit.

 

[GOPerfect]

Wow, she is horrible. Will not be subscribing to her channel.

Tucker is correct, so are all of the others that are talking about this issue. I would have a problem with it if they were trying to take away the rights of the people on the left as well.

This is not new though, "They" have been trying to do this for years.

The Fairness doctrine of the early 1940's is a great example.

The Fair Play act is another example.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Creating an amendment that regulates speech isn’t the answer. That would be giving .gov the right to do what big tech is doing.

The answer (or part of it) is in breaking up these tech giants and media companies. Too much power in too few hands.

I don't follow your logic. I'm talking about an amendment that protects the people the same way it does from the government, but from other organizations (such as big tech) from abusive power and snuffing out free speech. As of now, you have no 1st amendment rights when it comes to private businesses.

 

[spat]

I don't follow your logic. I'm talking about an amendment that protects the people the same way it does from the government, but from other organizations (such as big tech) from abusive power and snuffing out free speech. As of now, you have no 1st amendment rights when it comes to private businesses.

I prefer a world where the NYGUNS admins can bring the banhammer when the trolls come out, thank you.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

I prefer a world where the NYGUNS admins can bring the banhammer when the trolls come out, thank you.

I get that, but I wouldn't necessarily put trolling in the same place as opposing views. Trolling, to me, is not expressing an opinion or ideal. It's not point/counter point discussion. Trolling is on the level of bullying or intentionally trying to create an emotional response from others purely for the sake of doing so.

 

[GOPerfect]

Me, I want the Government to stay out of things. Period.

If there are companies out there that want to limit who and what content is on their privately owned sites, so be it.

I do not want the .gov to regulate what exact shows are on.

Years ago, there was a really large battle that was started over Conservative/Libtard radio.

The Libs and the Demoncrats had their panties in a bunch because Left radio was nearly non-existent. They fought and fought to get more Lefty wienies on AM radio. They succeeded for a short time. The amount of people that listened was so low, nearly all of them fell flat on their faces and their shows became silent.

Let the people decide who and what is aired. On the subject of Alex Jones, if the people are truly upset, those that are trying to silence him will feel it in the long run.

Point being, less Government and less intrusive meddling by them is a good thing. Let the market work.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Let the market work.

Right now the market, is silencing conservative views.

 

[GOPerfect]

Right now the market, is silencing conservative views.

Not really all that many. Besides Jones and a few on YFacebook and Youtube, who are "They" shutting down?

 

[ProgSpear]

Right now the market, is silencing conservative views.

And when the market figures out how to monetize conservative views, it will balance out. Currently talk radio and Fox News are the only viable outlets (not totally at the mercy of progressive media and academia) with the exception of Trump "trumping" the media with his tweets, and the word is getting out. His approval flirts with 50% and his support from AA's has almost doubled to 29% the last I saw. This is with a 90% negative reporting, and suppression of social media by big tech.

Somehow truth filters out to the general populace, in spite of official sources. This is not a new phenomena; samizdat is far easier in the electronic age.

 

[GOPerfect]

I am curious though, once this becomes a larger issue, how many will stop using certain products or web sites?

How many are going to boycott against YouTube? How many are going to shut down their precious Facebook account?

Outrage and anger only work if people act upon it.

I promise you, most will do nothing but bitch and complain!

 

[spat]

I get that, but I wouldn't necessarily put trolling in the same place as opposing views. Trolling, to me, is not expressing an opinion or ideal. It's not point/counter point discussion. Trolling is on the level of bullying or intentionally trying to create an emotional response from others purely for the sake of doing so.

Facebook/twitter/etc would just classify any conservative leaning post as trolling. Either you allow it all, or you let each website decide for itself what is trolling.

 

[holdover]

You can be for the first A or you can be against the first A. You cannot be both .a restriction on free speech is still a restriction.the result is no different if the government does it or if the corporations does it. The result, censorship, is the same.its like someone on death row arguing over who pulls the switch. Does it really matter?your just as dead or just as silenced.

Hillary Clinton lost because the internet exposed her to millions of people. You want to just give up that power? For what? So CNN Can have a monopoly on information ?

Don't let these sneaky cocksuckers trick you into thinking this is only a private ownership issue. Bullshit! This is far bigger than that. WTF do you think will happen to Trump next election? He won because of the internet! They laughed at him, and don't forget their faces election night. Their jaws hung open in disbelief, they couldn't wrap their heads around what happened.

The internet has the power to change elections. They see it now and they are going to put a stop to it.

People are just willing to hand over that power to corporations who only act on thier own behalf and are not accountable to anyone! Really!


This isn't about Alex Jones, this isn't about corporate rights or ownership rights. This all about political power. Shutting you the fuck up. In the name of liberty of all things. Corporate liberty.

Government can't shut you up, so they get their lackys to do it for them.

And this is just the beginning people. These are the tools of tyranny, does it really matter who shuts you up?

Misplaced political power a power that answers to no one. Fuck that.

If government was going it's job it would have stepped in, to protect the public good do you see that anywhere? Anywhere?

When tyranny comes it will be wrapped in a flag

Your looking right at it

 

[Bigfoot]

Scary times.

It sure is... This is not the country that I grew up in.

But back then the Democrats were not batshit crazy.
And most of the Republicans acted like Republicans.
Instead of being a Republican In Name Only... IMHO

 

[GOPerfect]

You can be for the first A or you can be against the first A. You cannot be both .a restriction on free speech is still a restriction.the result is no different if the government does it or if the corporations does it. The result, censorship, is the same.its like someone on death row arguing over who pulls the switch. Does it really matter?your just as dead or just as silenced.

Hillary Clinton lost because the internet exposed her to millions of people. You want to just give up that power? For what? So CNN Can have a monopoly on information ?

Don't let these sneaky cocksuckers trick you into thinking this is only a private ownership issue. Bullshit! This is far bigger than that. WTF do you think will happen to Trump next election? He won because of the internet! They laughed at him, and don't forget their faces election night. Their jaws hung open in disbelief, they couldn't wrap their heads around what happened.

The internet has the power to change elections. They see it now and they are going to put a stop to it.

People are just willing to hand over that power to corporations who only act on thier own behalf and are not accountable to anyone! Really!


This isn't about Alex Jones, this isn't about corporate rights or ownership rights. This all about political power. Shutting you the fuck up. In the name of liberty of all things. Corporate liberty.

Government can't shut you up, so they get their lackys to do it for them.

And this is just the beginning people. These are the tools of tyranny, does it really matter who shuts you up?

Misplaced political power a power that answers to no one. Fuck that.

If government was going it's job it would have stepped in, to protect the public good do you see that anywhere? Anywhere?

When tyranny comes it will be wrapped in a flag

Your looking right at it

I am 100% in favor of all our Constitution. The Bill of Rights offer protection against the over reach of the government. Not private companies.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

I am 100% in favor of all our Constitution. The Bill of Rights offer protection against the over reach of the government. Not private companies.

This basically my point entirely and why I feel the constitution should protect against private companies seeking to curb peoples' civil rights.

 

[Mosinitis]

Patriot act has been used to intimidate and harass people who criticize our foreign policy. U.S. government does monitor what people post on the internet. If a certain pattern is observed they can force banks or other institutions to ask you questions about your business dealings, your income, your associations and other personal information government can't ask you directly. If you refuse to answer they will close your business account and do it in such a manner to maximize damages. Even if you decide to comply they can do things to you in spite. It is called KYC (know your customer) program. The bank will be very sympathetic, but will tell you, there is nothing they can do.

You can criticize republicans or democrats, liberals or conservatives until you are blue in the face, but try to expose what our government does abroad and you will get on the list.

 

[Mosinitis]

As I said before, our government's foreign policy caused 9/11. Subsequently 9/11 attack was used to pass a Patriot Act, which gives more power to the agencies whose actions led to the attack in the first place. What's even worse, Patriot Act doesn't specify Islamic terrorism. It can be used for anything government wants.

 

[GOPerfect]

This basically my point entirely and why I feel the constitution should protect against private companies seeking to curb peoples' civil rights.

I disagree wholeheartedly with that. I do NOT want, not do I need these kinds of protections.

If I own a business, I want to be able to run it how I see fit. If I want to exclude certain types of people, I should be able to.

 

[BDinPutnam]

Everything @GOPerfect has said in this thread.

Twice over.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

I disagree wholeheartedly with that. I do NOT want, not do I need these kinds of protections.

If I own a business, I want to be able to run it how I see fit. If I want to exclude certain types of people, I should be able to.

No one and no company should be able to deny you any of your rights. Period. In any case I'm not talking about a small business refusing to bake a cake or being able to refuse anyone you don't want to do business with. I agree with you there. Being serviced by a vendor or business is not a right guaranteed in the Constitution, being able to speak out is.
I'm talking about major media outlets. Companies who basically hold a monopoly on the flowing of information, that are used and trusted to be a medium for "free speech". It's a fine line i guess. Hopefully the market will correct itself as you say. I just don't see it happening. Like you, I see a lot of bitching, but no action that would change what these tech giants and social media companies are doing.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Facebook/twitter/etc would just classify any conservative leaning post as trolling. Either you allow it all, or you let each website decide for itself what is trolling.

And so with that goes the idea of an open society and the free flow of information and ideas. If things were more the way they used to be, before this political divisive madness fueled by the very outlets we are supposed to trust in, there wouldn't be sudden and disturbing rush to censor people. This direction we are headed in, leads to separate groups of only like minded people which is bad.
I mean, you and I don't exactly agree here, but I think we can both agree we are discussing our opinions and ideas like normal, sane people. Unless, you feel like because I have a different idea I am trolling.

 

[Cooolone]

Acknowledging private corporations in the constitution is a real problem and should be avoided at all costs. It's bad enough the SCOTUS ruled that corporations were akin to "people" in one of their rulings regarding campaign contributions... Don't remember the whole gist of it!

But honestly, just "enforce" the Constitution to begin with and things will find their own equilibrium... Doesn't matter how much the corporations or groups want to stifle opposing speech, the Brit's tried that too... Didn't work out that well for them either. Bottom line is the universal law of complimentary opposites will apply. Yin/Yang or Newton's law for every action has an equal and opposite reaction! The results of the 2016 election were a bona-fide example of what happens pushing one way for 8 years... That the political spectrum swung the other way and will continue for a while. Doesn't matter how hard they try to bury it, people are paying attention... But a constitutional amendment? No way! Or geeeeee, let's enact an Amendment to say the amendments are really Real! Really!...

Fact is any Constitutional amendment today wouldn't be worth the paper it would be written on... See the other Amendments... What enforcement is there? What will SCOTUS to when Congress ignored it, or States continue to ignore it's guidance? What about the Executive, like the last administration...? So amendments mean nothing at all other than headlines for a few days, weeks, then it'll be out on a shelf.

Just my opinion... But nothing around here is gonna happen fast. This country is suffering a slow bleed out... How long it'll last is anyone's guess. Forces are at play and we can feel them, but we all really don't know where it will go, what direction, where it will stop, and or when. Rome, the last true Republic, died a real slow death, and even after it was gone, lingered in a sorry state for quite some time. It lasted 500 years +/- and it wasn't from Barbarians beating down the gates, nor will that happen here. It will rot from within, just not quick enough for everyone to smell the stench!

Amendment... We don't need no stinkin amendment, won't help a thing! Lol

 

[holdover]

I am 100% in favor of all our Constitution. The Bill of Rights offer protection against the over reach of the government. Not private companies.

That's 100% correct. But your missing the forest for the trees, this is not an ownership issue. Some people don't want jihadi Joe on their site. Ok, no problems, Some people don't like gun owners on their forums, OK .No sweat off my sack. That not what this is about.

Were talking about a group of the most powerful internet sites, Google , face book , you tube, ect simotainiously silencing a group of dissenters. Working in a group to suppress ideas . Repression.

Information is power, That's why governments spend trillions on intelligence agency's, If I can control the information you receive , I can control your perspective. If I ask what 2+2 is , you say 4. But if don't tell you the real equation is 2+2 -1 you will never have the correct answer. Ever. This is exactly what happens on your TV every night in 1080 HD.

Its Misplaced Political power ,

Exsample:

MasterCard and Visa, multi trillion dollar global corporations decide to pull accounts of certain political candidates , meaning they can no longer process donations using their cards. Maybe they did this on their own, maybe Russia or China decides they would not do business with them if they allowed a certain candidate to use their service. Well master card and visa isn't going to lose billions of dollars , So do they they do.

Now master card may still be pressured by outside elements ( or not) to apply pressure to some other forms of media.

Apply this this same thing through social media . Now again, we are not talking about one or two websites with a legitimate bitch , were talking about the top ten, in unison , influencing public knowledge and ability to silence whole groups of dissenters simultaneously across the net.

I cannot express the amount political power this group would possess, separated from government accountability.

What we are looking at here is the ability of global corporations to censor political groups through multimedia without accountability. How valuable is such a tool to political party's or foreign governments? legalized repression .

The problem is far to much political power would be placed into the hands of non accountable , non governmental entities that answer to no one.

“Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power”
― Benito Mussolini

A govt can be repressive in any form : democratic, autocratic or downright dictatorship.The salient feature which defines the repressive govts is the lack of will on the part of govt to think and act for the betterment of the greater society and the country/state/kingdom as a whole - apathy.

This apathy, with time, grows into arrogance on the part of rulers, and they begin to think, the power bestowed upon them is their destiny. ( Hillary)And we know what happens when a person/persons have power without responsibility.

Repression can come in following ways:

• Deny basic rights of the people. For e.g prohibitive cost of food, living space and other necessary requirements.
• Discourage any such step which will empower the ordinary public. Discouraging people from education, free speech and unbiased media.
• Use the govt agencies such as intelligence agencies etc to terrorize people and keep them from revolting against the repression.
• Prevention of exchange of ideas among the populace, which in long term or short, can be detrimental to the authority of the ruler.
• Use economic policies to siphon off public money to govt treasury (and finally to a private account in swiss banks) with the means of heavy taxation, repressive financial policies.
• Strict control over information flow, in and out.
• Waging wars with other countries for vanity and let the public pull the burden.

 

[BDinPutnam]

Should the New York Times be required to publish you?

That's not free speech, that's compulsory speech.

 

[holdover]

No.