Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I saw this on the Calguns forum.
Upcoming Possible Compliant Grip
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GuyMontag
.44 mag
That's a pistol grip, good luck rolling the dice, I'll pass.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
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Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Gonna have an issue with the "protruding conspicuously below the action" portion of some pistol-grip definitions.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
That is why I think it's legal. It doesn't produce conspicuously below. It goes back just the same as the Thordsen.
The law says that first it must be a pistol grip which this is not and then it says that it must conspicuously protrude beneath the action of the weapon.
GuyMontag
.44 mag
Will, it's a pistol grip, it protrudes, and does so conspicuously.
That protrusion is visible to anyone with 2 good eyes, the semantics work against your argument.
That is a pistol grip. Will not skirt the law!
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Frankly, if a grip is on a rifle, isn't it a "rifle grip?"
Ummm...no officer, it isn't a pistol grip. It's on my rifle. See? I only put pistol grips on my pistols.
BTW, although I appreciate the ingenuity, I personally think the grip in question is a canted pistol grip. But, I'm not a lawyer or certified gunsmith. So, WTF do I know? (Ummm...don't ask my wife that question.)
Ummm...no officer, it isn't a pistol grip. It's on my rifle. See? I only put pistol grips on my pistols.
BTW, although I appreciate the ingenuity, I personally think the grip in question is a canted pistol grip. But, I'm not a lawyer or certified gunsmith. So, WTF do I know? (Ummm...don't ask my wife that question.)
GOYABEAN
.950 JDJ
I'm glad to be leaving 
land soon between finger grips that double as plowshares to pistol grips that look like Pancakes 
I really hope this shit in NYS gets back to a normal playing field it's ridiculous 
freddy
.308 Win
Looks like the web of your hand is above the action though...however without case law many attempts at compliance are unknown due to our stupid law.
GuyMontag
.44 mag
Stub grip is there no matter how you try and slice it, and is more than similar enough to MANY "pistol" grips for any motivated DA in NY to drop the hammer on you without a thought to losing a conviction. Your hand gains purchase on that grip in the same way it would on a pistol, and the stubby protrudes below the attachment point. I wish it weren't the case that NY has such bullshit laws that do nothing but make law abiding gun owners feel like criminals, but SAFE is several years old already, we're stuck with it, and EVERYONE here knows it.
The safe act sucks.
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
I think this is listed as an example of a "truism" in Webster's Dictionary.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I challenge anyone to show me a pistol with a grip like that. A grip is not a pistol grip. It has to be a pistol grip first and then protrude conspicuously. It doesn't even do that.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Underneath the receiver if you draw a line across the grip, it does not protrude. Behind the receiver it protrudes at an angle of any rifle grip.
While there is no standard angle a good lawyer could convince the jury that your grip is more pistol than rifle.
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GUNSICK
6.5 Creedmoor
Looks like a copy of the BOAR grip.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
How so? Show me a pistol with a grip like that and in an angle like that.While there is no standard angle a good lawyer could convince the jury that your grip is more pistol than rifle.
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Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
BOAR grip is sideways I believe.
I didn't say it matches a pistol grip I said it wasn't a rifle grip. I don't think you can hang your hat on calling it "other"
Risky... that sure looks like an angled pistol grip to me.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Assuming it is a pistol grip for the sake of argument, does it protrude conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon? I'm not seeing any part protrude conspicuously below the receiver.
GuyMontag
.44 mag
Then you're just ignoring it Will, and I mean that with all due respect. Any objective observer would call that a pistol grip, it's a stubby, it protrudes, and is similar to DOZENS of compact pistol grips in function and form. You'd have your ass bbq'd by the DA if they wanted to screw you with a SAFE violation, and I think you know that's the truth.
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Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
When does a spur give birth to a full fledged pistol grip? I think we are seeing the genesis of something that will result in many lawyers lining their pockets, hah! It's pretty skerry looking, can't be legal in this state of North Venezuela.
Fuck You Andrew Cumo
Robin
Fuck You Andrew Cumo
Robin
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Maybe I'm stupid then. I've never seen a compact pistol with a grip in that shape or angle.
Never mind conspicuously, I also do not see how that grip protrudes beneath the action. It protrudes away from the action behind it but not beneath.
Never mind conspicuously, I also do not see how that grip protrudes beneath the action. It protrudes away from the action behind it but not beneath.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Where is the conspicuous protrusion beneath the action?
You cut it out of your picture.
Even if you draw a straight line from the lowest point (bottom of trigger guard in that example), the grip has a portion below it. To say otherwise is, well, I don't know because it's pretty damned obvious.