Whats your shtf plan?

[Vapor]

Honestly this shtf is something I've heard all my life.


It seems to mostly be about kill or be killed fantasy where man lives in the state of "nature".


But in history, that rarely happens. It either comes so fast your only option is to run or die, or it's really really slow.



Take the Balkan wars where sides changed rapidly. One day the turk civilians are being slaughtered, another the Bulgarian. They didn't even really have time to react or escape.

Or the jews in 1930s Germany. Most of them were in denial, even after the crystal night. It happened fast after that.

Germans going in, ans Russian coming out of the earth front. Murder, rape, pillaging, starvation, slavery....


Most of the really really slow types, people band together and form communities. Like the great depression, etc.


I could go on.


But to think you're gonna get in a truck with 4 of your buddies and rule the waste land...well you'll be dead real quick.

 

[Defilade]

Hopefully in your tighty whites and "night vision" which consists of a NC star binoculars with a flash light duct taped to them.

But of course. Gotta fit in.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

To those who are in MAGs how did that happen?

How did you find a MAG. How did you determine they were liked minded and trustworthy?

It seems challenging to find like minded preppers when most people don't want to tip their hand and discuss what they are doing. No one wants to be remembered as the guy who was s prepper that has supplies.

 

[GTN]

Friend of mine is in a MAG group but I’m not invited. I not a skilled person like they are. I have guns and ammo and I can shoot but not good enough to join

 

[dsdmmat]

Doubt one would want a person with a substance abuse problem.

They are good cannon fodder.

 

[Donniehotts]

Doubt one would want a person with a substance abuse problem.

That's a really good point that iv never thought of!I don't really know my neighbors past 5 houses down.im in a great neighborhood but you just never know.tbh,iv only really got into prepping a little this past year,because a few of my co workers and I talk about it when shooting the shit.do I believe it will happen? No ,but it's a fun hobby and if it ever really did,id be more ahead than most.its a harmless hobby if you're not going into debt and paying your bills on time.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

That's a really good point that iv never thought of!I don't really know my neighbors past 5 houses down.im in a great neighborhood but you just never know.tbh,iv only really got into prepping a little this past year,because a few of my co workers and I talk about it when shooting the shit.do I believe it will happen? No ,but it's a fun hobby and if it ever really did,id be more ahead than most.its a harmless hobby if you're not going into debt and paying your bills on time.

I'm going to approach this as logically as I can without going down any rabbit holes.

Think of prepping like insurance.

You can still go about your daily life the same as any normie but now you have "SHTF insurance".

You have all types of insurance presumably correct? Auto, collision, fire, theft, health insurance etc.

Why do you have all those insurance plans? That if something shitty happens you protect yourself. You're not hoping for a fire but you realize it's a possibility and you want to protect yourself.

Do you save for retirement? If so, why? If you're saving for retirement you want to be prepared to enjoy it and not short yourself. It's wise to plan ahead. You want a good quality of life.


Prepping for SHTF is absolutely no different from anything above. You're hedging your bets against different outcomes. You want to protect yourself no matter what.

If you're investing resources and time into prepping treat it like an investment or insurance.

With the way things are going it's seemingly more likely than ever it's going to be needed

 

[livingston]

I don't plan on going anyplace. What I need to survive a long term SHTF is in place. Girlfriend will kill me but today I online from wiggy's ordered another sleeping bag. We have 2 units that is supposed to keep one warm to -30 I believe. Girlfriend and I both have one. With all the talk of using nukes in Europe a N winter is possible. ... Global cooling folks... So I ordered their warmest sleeping bag. . .. I just look at things somewhat differently. than most.

 

[Jmac00]

my plan is to have a full fuel tank, a full DEF tank, and a fire road that goes a LONG, LONG way into the woods.

But with my luck, this shit will hit the fan in the dead of winter

and to have at least a couple weeks supply of Viagra, just in case I need to truly fuck someone over,

 

[meketrefe]

looks like the federal reserve currency right now.

 

[tirwin1]

I'm going to approach this as logically as I can without going down any rabbit holes.

Think of prepping like insurance.

You can still go about your daily life the same as any normie but now you have "SHTF insurance".

You have all types of insurance presumably correct? Auto, collision, fire, theft, health insurance etc.

Why do you have all those insurance plans? That if something shitty happens you protect yourself. You're not hoping for a fire but you realize it's a possibility and you want to protect yourself.

Do you save for retirement? If so, why? If you're saving for retirement you want to be prepared to enjoy it and not short yourself. It's wise to plan ahead. You want a good quality of life.


Prepping for SHTF is absolutely no different from anything above. You're hedging your bets against different outcomes. You want to protect yourself no matter what.

If you're investing resources and time into prepping treat it like an investment or insurance.

With the way things are going it's seemingly more likely than ever it's going to be needed

I also think you should have plans for different scenarios. After covid and reading about Chinese labs and research a real pandemic is a distinct possibility. Forget about grocery stores remaining open because they are essential. In a real viral epidemic you wouldn't want to venture out so you need to be prepared to bug in, eliminate outside contact and be prepared to defend what's yours.

In a societal breakdown and WROL scenario then teaming up with like minded people for security is key,

 

[GOPerfect]

Honestly this shtf is something I've heard all my life.


It seems to mostly be about kill or be killed fantasy where man lives in the state of "nature".


But in history, that rarely happens. It either comes so fast your only option is to run or die, or it's really really slow.



Take the Balkan wars where sides changed rapidly. One day the turk civilians are being slaughtered, another the Bulgarian. They didn't even really have time to react or escape.

Or the jews in 1930s Germany. Most of them were in denial, even after the crystal night. It happened fast after that.

Germans going in, ans Russian coming out of the earth front. Murder, rape, pillaging, starvation, slavery....


Most of the really really slow types, people band together and form communities. Like the great depression, etc.


I could go on.


But to think you're gonna get in a truck with 4 of your buddies and rule the waste land...well you'll be dead real quick.

Well, apparently you have never seen me drive or met some of my buddies.

I am the waste land!

 

[GOPerfect]

To those who are in MAGs how did that happen?

How did you find a MAG. How did you determine they were liked minded and trustworthy?

It seems challenging to find like minded preppers when most people don't want to tip their hand and discuss what they are doing. No one wants to be remembered as the guy who was s prepper that has supplies.

Many years ago, while selling guns at Gander, I met a guy. Slowly but surely he began to come in more and more. We began talking to each other. Over the course of a few months, we had gotten deep into talks. We both realized that we were on the same sheet of music. A few weeks later, he asked if I wanted to go shooting with him and his family. My family was invited as well. We went shooting and had some good family conversations.

A few more get togethers and I was invited to meet a few of the other members. After many months, I was invited to be part of them. This was in fact, a long process.

The second and smaller group that I belong to began with close friends and were grew a bit from there.

You are correct, takes time and a lot of trust gathering. If nothing ever completely breaks down, no worries, made some good friends out of it.

 

[GOPerfect]

Friend of mine is in a MAG group but I’m not invited. I not a skilled person like they are. I have guns and ammo and I can shoot but not good enough to join

Interesting.

 

[spat]

Even the useless people can stand sentry watch,cook or serve food,fill/stack sandbags,fill water bucket,boil water.iv thought about this too.there will always be something for the unskilled to do.

An extra set of hands can always be trained too.

you'd have to be a borderline vegetable not to be able to be useful in some form.

Whether you're useful enough to justify the resources it takes to keep you alive is another question.

 

[technicalgadget]

I will grow fields of opium and cocoa plants and enslave as many skells as possible with my wares to protect me, my family and my crops. I will trade for everything else that I need to survive. Chemically dependent people will line up in droves to become my slaves and do my bidding.

 

[spat]

Honestly this shtf is something I've heard all my life.


It seems to mostly be about kill or be killed fantasy where man lives in the state of "nature".


But in history, that rarely happens. It either comes so fast your only option is to run or die, or it's really really slow.



Take the Balkan wars where sides changed rapidly. One day the turk civilians are being slaughtered, another the Bulgarian. They didn't even really have time to react or escape.

Or the jews in 1930s Germany. Most of them were in denial, even after the crystal night. It happened fast after that.

Germans going in, ans Russian coming out of the earth front. Murder, rape, pillaging, starvation, slavery....


Most of the really really slow types, people band together and form communities. Like the great depression, etc.


I could go on.


But to think you're gonna get in a truck with 4 of your buddies and rule the waste land...well you'll be dead real quick.

There will always be some group that claims dominion over wherever you live. They will call themselves the government and demand taxes and fealty.

Whether they are tolerable or not is a decision you will have to make in the momemt.

 

[spat]

I will grow fields of opium and cocoa plants and enslave as many skells as possible with my wares to protect me, my family and my crops. I will trade for everything else that I need to survive. Chemically dependent people will line up in droves to become my slaves and do my bidding.

Ahh, the Ketracel-White strategem

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An army of junkies is not something I would want to try and lead LOL.

Their loyalty would last only as long as you are their best source of drugs.

Imagine what happens when your enemy offers them better terms.

 

[phatfarmerbob]

I don't plan on going anyplace. What I need to survive a long term SHTF is in place. Girlfriend will kill me but today I online from wiggy's ordered another sleeping bag. We have 2 units that is supposed to keep one warm to -30 I believe. Girlfriend and I both have one. With all the talk of using nukes in Europe a N winter is possible. ... Global cooling folks... So I ordered their warmest sleeping bag. . .. I just look at things somewhat differently. than most.

I have three wiggys also. They are fantastic !!

 

[livingston]

I have three wiggys also. They are fantastic !!

Extreme Cold Sleeping Bag Test, -30F. No Fire, No Shelter.​

One thing is for sure, if your dying of hyperthermia and don't have it in you to start a fire, getting in a wiggys sleeping bag will save your life.
https://www.wiggys.com/

Hunter Antarctic › Rectangular Sleeping Bag

Manufacturer of the finest sleeping bags and outdoor gear in the world. Nothing keeps you you warm & dry in cold, wet conditions like Wiggy's!

www.wiggys.com

This is the one I bought and that is used in the you tube.

The Hunter Antarctic Bag with Hood is a -60° F rated rectangular style bag. Along with my other Antarctic bags, I believe this is the only -60° F bag in the world. The size of the bag is 36 inches wide and 92 inches long (weight: ~8.5 lbs). When the Nautilus with Hood Overbag is added, the temperature rating is -80° F. When both bags are combined you have the Hunter FTRSS.

 

[livingston]

Doomsday prepper reveals she has spent $27,000 on supplies to protect her family against 'NUCLEAR disaster' amid Russia's war with Ukraine - from food stores to WEAPONS​

• Rowan MacKenzie, a doomsday prepper, has revealed she spent an extra $27,000 on new supplies to prepare her family amid Russia's war with Ukraine
• The 38-year-old, from Missouri, has previously opened up about how she built a bunker to prepare for a nuclear disaster
• Rowan has said she has 'added a lot more to the bunker' after she first made headlines 11 years ago for building a bunker in case of an emergency
• The war between Russia and Ukraine has caused American and European allies to impose sanctions targeting Russia's financial system
• After these sanctions caused economic slowdown and resulted in food shortages and inflation in America, Rowan began adding to her supplies
• 'It's been necessary for us to add more ammo and weapons to the secret bunker as well.'
• Stock up on weaponry.
  
  She said: 'The number one must for any bunker is defense.
  
  'I would highly recommend having a few guns and knives in your bunker at all times, along with ample amounts of ammunition.
  
  'You need to protect yourself, especially in a 'dog-eat-dog' situation.
  
  'It's kill or be killed and you need the best possible chance of survival.
• Doomsday prepper reveals she's spent $27,000 on supplies

 

[GOPerfect]

Doomsday prepper reveals she has spent $27,000 on supplies to protect her family against 'NUCLEAR disaster' amid Russia's war with Ukraine - from food stores to WEAPONS​

• Rowan MacKenzie, a doomsday prepper, has revealed she spent an extra $27,000 on new supplies to prepare her family amid Russia's war with Ukraine
• The 38-year-old, from Missouri, has previously opened up about how she built a bunker to prepare for a nuclear disaster
• Rowan has said she has 'added a lot more to the bunker' after she first made headlines 11 years ago for building a bunker in case of an emergency
• The war between Russia and Ukraine has caused American and European allies to impose sanctions targeting Russia's financial system
• After these sanctions caused economic slowdown and resulted in food shortages and inflation in America, Rowan began adding to her supplies
• 'It's been necessary for us to add more ammo and weapons to the secret bunker as well.'
• Stock up on weaponry.
  
  She said: 'The number one must for any bunker is defense.
  
  'I would highly recommend having a few guns and knives in your bunker at all times, along with ample amounts of ammunition.
  
  'You need to protect yourself, especially in a 'dog-eat-dog' situation.
  
  'It's kill or be killed and you need the best possible chance of survival.
• Doomsday prepper reveals she's spent $27,000 on supplies

I followed her story into all of this. Sounds about right, money spent on what she bought. I am sure there are some on this forum that have invested much more than this amount.

 

[GOPerfect]

Extreme Cold Sleeping Bag Test, -30F. No Fire, No Shelter.​

One thing is for sure, if your dying of hyperthermia and don't have it in you to start a fire, getting in a wiggys sleeping bag will save your life.
https://www.wiggys.com/

Hunter Antarctic › Rectangular Sleeping Bag

Manufacturer of the finest sleeping bags and outdoor gear in the world. Nothing keeps you you warm & dry in cold, wet conditions like Wiggy's!

www.wiggys.com

This is the one I bought and that is used in the you tube.

The Hunter Antarctic Bag with Hood is a -60° F rated rectangular style bag. Along with my other Antarctic bags, I believe this is the only -60° F bag in the world. The size of the bag is 36 inches wide and 92 inches long (weight: ~8.5 lbs). When the Nautilus with Hood Overbag is added, the temperature rating is -80° F. When both bags are combined you have the Hunter FTRSS.

Looks like a great bag. I have multiple of the following:

Welcome to Fort Bragg Military Surplus -

I never had an issue with this system.


The US Military 4 Piece BDU Modular Sleep System is a sleeping bag system constructed to insulate the user in environments ranging from mild weather to extremely cold weather. The system consists of two Mummy-style sleeping bags--the Patrol (Foliage) and the Intermediate Cold Weather (Black). Each are constructed of water-resistant, ripstop nylon. Each sleeping bag is fully functional independently. For a temperature to -30°, insert the Intermediate Cold Weather bag inside the Patrol bag. Each bag is compatible with the vapor permeable bivy cover. When all 3 components are used together the system is rated to provide 4 hours sleep at -40°F.

 

[livingston]

Looks like a great bag. I have multiple of the following:

Welcome to Fort Bragg Military Surplus -

I never had an issue with this system.


The US Military 4 Piece BDU Modular Sleep System is a sleeping bag system constructed to insulate the user in environments ranging from mild weather to extremely cold weather. The system consists of two Mummy-style sleeping bags--the Patrol (Foliage) and the Intermediate Cold Weather (Black). Each are constructed of water-resistant, ripstop nylon. Each sleeping bag is fully functional independently. For a temperature to -30°, insert the Intermediate Cold Weather bag inside the Patrol bag. Each bag is compatible with the vapor permeable bivy cover. When all 3 components are used together the system is rated to provide 4 hours sleep at -40°F.

Ratings.... This is something folks don't understand ...4 hours sleep at -40°F. ... I thought it was 2 hrs sleep from a you tube that I saw.
Still the ratings of sleeping bags are so many folks get one good to say 32 F and at actual temp of 32 they freeze. all night. Some folks have said the wiggy bags are more in line with an actual rating... I have read that one needs to keep the bag from the wind. ... Overbag, tarp,tent and the like as a wind on the bag alone is less than ideal .
I am not pushing this companies products. Folks do your research ... Make up ones own mind. As I have said in the above post... I do not have a wood stove. Cannot install one. If the electric fails long term I want something to survive the winter. Getting a good nights rest in a grid down situation is vital .

 

[GOPerfect]

Ratings.... This is something folks don't understand ...4 hours sleep at -40°F. ... I thought it was 2 hrs sleep from a you tube that I saw.
Still the ratings of sleeping bags are so many folks get one good to say 32 F and at actual temp of 32 they freeze. all night. Some folks have said the wiggy bags are more in line with an actual rating... I have read that one needs to keep the bag from the wind. ... Overbag, tarp,tent and the like as a wind on the bag alone is less than ideal .
I am not pushing this companies products. Folks do your research ... Make up ones own mind. As I have said in the above post... I do not have a wood stove. Cannot install one. If the electric fails long term I want something to survive the winter. Getting a good nights rest in a grid down situation is vital .

Not only research, which is important. You gotta use what you have to ensure the research was correct.

I used the bags that I have while in the Military. I did not do temperature checks while using them. I cannot tell you how cold some of the nights were. I do know many were freaking cold. Deathly freaking cold. They worked well enough to keep my warm(er) and allowed me some decent sleep. There are so many great tools, in this case; sleeping bags on the market that are awesome. Some are very costly, not too costlu though when really needed.

As for the research, YouTube is a great tool, but not an end all in your research. I push no companies or specific products either. I just like to share what I have been through and what I have done.

 

[libertysnake]

Extreme Cold Sleeping Bag Test, -30F. No Fire, No Shelter.​

One thing is for sure, if your dying of hyperthermia and don't have it in you to start a fire, getting in a wiggys sleeping bag will save your life.
https://www.wiggys.com/

Hunter Antarctic › Rectangular Sleeping Bag

Manufacturer of the finest sleeping bags and outdoor gear in the world. Nothing keeps you you warm & dry in cold, wet conditions like Wiggy's!

www.wiggys.com

This is the one I bought and that is used in the you tube.

The Hunter Antarctic Bag with Hood is a -60° F rated rectangular style bag. Along with my other Antarctic bags, I believe this is the only -60° F bag in the world. The size of the bag is 36 inches wide and 92 inches long (weight: ~8.5 lbs). When the Nautilus with Hood Overbag is added, the temperature rating is -80° F. When both bags are combined you have the Hunter FTRSS.

I was considering investing in this when my wife was in the house. She would always turn up the AC and run it the entire night, and I needed something that would help me survive at night that is more practical than 4-5 blankets weighing me down.

(Luckily when she left my electric bill dropped by around 60%).