Biden's First State of the Union

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Blimey said:
I know some of you will shit on Biden no matter what he does (I mean that plainly: nothing he would ever do would not be denigrated) because it's your default position, but of the last two presidents of the USA:

1) One has called Putin, who is now literally massacring people in Ukraine, a "genius" and "savvy". Kowtowing aside, it's now glaringly apparent that this invasion was anything but savvy or the result of genius. It's been an epic, historic fuck up by Putin.

2) One has played a key role in what is now clearly hideous and crushing sanctions on Russia, responsible for an overnight decimation of its currency, its continued shut down of their stock market (it's been closed for several days now), and energy giants like gazprom kicked into the gutter. Russia has already suffered, and will increasingly suffer, without a shot fired.
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1) So before any crimes against humanity are committed Putin should have been labeled a maniacal murderer? You own guns, I assume. You may not have committed any gun related crimes to date. Some people might say you're a savvy, intelligent individual. Tomorrow you decide to go off your rocker and gun down your family. How were any of those people who called you savvy and intelligent supposed to know you were a sicko yesterday? Your scenario is the perfect narrative for the anti 2A crowd.

2) One president never had to deal with any of the sanctions because he lead the country with strength, determination and USA first resolve. None of the crazy other world leaders even tried to pull any shit during his leadership. The other president is responding to his poor, disastrous leadership with defensive actions not needed in the prior administration.

Your take on the presidencies are weak and ineffective, like Biden.
 
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masterswimmer said:
1) So before any crimes against humanity are committed Putin should have been labeled a maniacal murderer? You own guns, I assume. You may not have committed any gun related crimes to date. Some people might say you're a savvy, intelligent individual. Tomorrow you decide to go off your rocker and gun down your family. How were any of those people who called you savvy and intelligent supposed to know you were a sicko yesterday? Your scenario is the perfect narrative for the anti 2A crowd.

2) One president never had to deal with any of the sanctions because he lead the country with strength, determination and USA first resolve. None of the crazy other world leaders even tried to pull any shit during his leadership. The other president is responding to his poor, disastrous leadership with defensive actions not needed in the prior administration.

Your take on the presidencies are weak and ineffective, like Biden.
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Anybody who didn't know exactly what Putin was before this obviously knew nothing about him. All with any semblance of a clue knew, years ago, precisely what Putin is. Hell, it's not like he hasn't invaded two nations within the past fifteen years. He's a thug, always has been. That's nothing new. He commits violence against political opponents and violence against sovereign nations--again, all things well documented and done before this invasion.
 
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Blimey said:
2) One has played a key role in what is now clearly hideous and crushing sanctions on Russia, responsible for an overnight decimation of its currency, its continued shut down of their stock market (it's been closed for several days now), and energy giants like gazprom kicked into the gutter. Russia has already suffered, and will increasingly suffer, without a shot fired.
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One literally speaks cues that are on the teleprompter, thinks he's running for the Senate, and is exactly a mindless puppet.
 
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One literally speaks cues that are on the teleprompter, thinks he's running for the Senate, and is exactly a mindless puppet.
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And as demented as he may be he's still a better judge of character than trump:

Donald Trump hailed the move while calling Putin “very savvy” and boasting of his ties with the Russian president. “I said, ‘This is genius,'” Trump said on a right-wing podcast. “Putin declared a big portion of … Ukraine … as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful. … I said, ‘How smart is that?’ And he’s going to go in and be a peacekeeper. That’s strongest peace force. … We could use that on our southern border. That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re going to keep the peace all right. Here’s a guy who’s very savvy … I know him very well. Very, very well,” Trump said in the podcast
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That comment says more about your judge of character than Trump's.
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Actually there is another option you inadvertently allude to, which is that trump did, in fact, know putin very well, and as such knew exactly the kind of thug he is, and what this would lead to. Certainly makes one wonder why trump keeps crushing on putin, though. It's not like it's the first time he's praised the guy.

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As for my judge of character, my comments about Putin, I refer to him as:

"a nasty piece of work", Dec 2016 - Europe in Chaos

"Putin is a piece of shit", Jan, 2020 - Putin unveils WWII European involvement evidence

"Putin is a dictator", Mar, 2020 - https://nygunforum.com/threads/russia-is-offering-help-to-italy.36472/post-685923

killer of political rivals, April 2021 - https://nygunforum.com/threads/war-imminent-in-ukraine.44547/post-912105

my stating exactly what he did, and would continue to do re. land grabs, April, 2021 - https://nygunforum.com/threads/war-imminent-in-ukraine.44547/post-910130

"very likely involved in the murder of political rivals...a POS", Nov 2021 - Putin Gets it. ( far-left woke ideology that he said is causing societal ills throughout the Western world)

So let's not pretend what he did in the last week is any great revelation as to what he is. Anybody who is under some great epiphany in the last week about putin has not paid one lick of attention. Meanwhile trump is calling his invasion of ukraine genius and savvy. Not only is putin conducting war crimes, but it was demonstrably ungenius given that russia is about to get economically sent back into the soviet era.
 
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Blimey said:
I know some of you will shit on Biden no matter what he does (I mean that plainly: nothing he would ever do would not be denigrated) because it's your default position, but of the last two presidents of the USA:

1) One has called Putin, who is now literally massacring people in Ukraine, a "genius" and "savvy". Kowtowing aside, it's now glaringly apparent that this invasion was anything but savvy or the result of genius. It's been an epic, historic fuck up by Putin.

2) One has played a key role in what is now clearly hideous and crushing sanctions on Russia, responsible for an overnight decimation of its currency, its continued shut down of their stock market (it's been closed for several days now), and energy giants like gazprom kicked into the gutter. Russia has already suffered, and will increasingly suffer, without a shot fired.
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1) massacring people has nothing to do with being savvy. Time will tell if it was a fuck up by putin.

2) first - the dementia patient probably couldn't recite the sanctions list himself. As for putin, this move is about his perceived need for security. In a totalitarian state he is more than willing to trade economic pain for security. He won't suffer and he won't care how much his people suffer.

I think the world reaction is more extreme than putin expected. But we'll see who wins in the long term. Hell - look at the US! We still won't stop buying oil from Russia! So much for biden's hideous and crushing sanctions. We still will provide his regime with millions of dollars every day. How on earth can this government be taken seriously? This is cowardice and hypocrisy of the highest order. How anyone can defend this buffoon is beyond me.
 
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