100,000,000% Id have been going unarmed if need be.I honestly think I would run in even unarmed as a civilian. I would rather die than know I did nothing while kids were being slaughtered. I have no idea what I would do. Maybe I would grab a fire extinguisher or something or try to surprise the guy and I'm sure I would likely end up a casualty but I couldn't sit there and do nothing.
Not sure, but I believe he was assigned to the high school and may during the course of the day checked on the other schools.Was that the guy that was taken out before the kid started shooting other kids?
Agreed, its a difficult task to establish who is mentally unfit today. Political opponents of the left would all be considered mentally unfit.Everyone agrees nutjobs should not have guns. The problem is defining and identifying those mentally ill and likely to murder others. Sounds simple in concept.
Don't think for a minute it won't be abused so that a majority of current owners have to surrender their firearms. My doctor asked me during my last physical if there was a gun in the home. I told him it was none of his business.
I went to an orthopedic doctor on Monday due to a shoulder injury. I was asked to fill out a survey about my symptoms. Most of the questions were relevant, asking me about my pain level and how my injury limited daily activities.
At the ver end the survey asked the same thing 5 different ways.
Are you depressed?
Do feel isolated?
Do you feel lonely?
Etc....
I couldn't believe it. But you don't have to be much of a conspiracy theorist to conclude that NYS could put together self professed gun owners in a database and cross reference their answers to these survey questions to come and remove guns from any owner.
I am confident any system implemented to remove guns from mentally ill people will be abused by the gogovernment.
Most people take the idea of "arming teachers" to the extreme of turning teachers into armed guards. Thats absurd, the idea is simply allow those who want to be armed to be able to.
That teacher does sort of have a point. Many of those that hurl all types of slurs at teachers like "groomer", etc. now want to give them guns? Make up your damn mind.
They don't "select" books they optimize reading selection bent on their political and social agenda. I'm sure they would be thoroughly offended by my personal reloading and shooting library as opposed to their selection of books on optimizing anal lube. Their concept of "diversity" is certainly skewed.
I am fucking furious.This is starting to really piss me off. More details are coming out
Sounds like the armed officers on scene cowered outside while the asshole was killing kids and others were bleeding out. A border patrol team eventually showed up perhaps 30 mins later and went in.
Wtf.
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‘They were unprepared’: Onlookers urged police to charge into Texas school to confront gunman
About 30 minutes before the bloodbath, Salvador Ramos, 18, made three social-media posts, Texas Gov. Gregg Abbott said.www.marketwatch.com
I am fucking furious.
40 minutes to an hour the asshole shooter was in the school murdering innocents while equiped law inforcement cowards grouped outside as parents pleaded for them to intercede or let parents enter?
A spokesman bragged the shooter was confined to a classroom that was once filled with live students?
Sounds like Texas justice is more words than action, where is the preparedness, training, rapid response, ...
I'm gonna go hug my grandkids from Texas who just moved back to NY yesterday to be with more family.
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Texas school shooting: Loved ones outside school begged police to go inside during shooting: 'Go in there!'
Loved ones waiting outside Robb Elementary School on Tuesday begged police officers who were standing outside to go in and stop the shooter from killing their children, witnesses say.www.foxnews.com
Police don't have a duty to protect. Was determined by the courts a while back.This is starting to really piss me off. More details are coming out
Sounds like the armed officers on scene cowered outside while the asshole was killing kids and others were bleeding out. A border patrol team eventually showed up perhaps 30 mins later and went in.
Wtf.
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‘They were unprepared’: Onlookers urged police to charge into Texas school to confront gunman
About 30 minutes before the bloodbath, Salvador Ramos, 18, made three social-media posts, Texas Gov. Gregg Abbott said.www.marketwatch.com
Police don't have a duty to protect. Was determined by the courts a while back.
In 2005, Jessica Gonzales sued Castle Rock, Colorado police for failing to arrest her husband, who had violated a protective order, resulting in the murder of her three children. Her case went to the U.S. Supreme Court in The Town of Castle Rock v. Gonzales, where she lost because even though the order required arresting her husband upon violation, then-Justice Antonin Scalia successfully argued that “a well-established tradition of police discretion has long coexisted with apparently mandatory arrest statutes.”This case builds upon Supreme Court precedent in Deshaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services (1989). In that case, a young boy was repeatedly abused at the hands of his father, something that county Social Services was aware of, but made no effort to remove the child. His mother sued once the four-year old entered a vegetative state, and the Court ruled that that the state did not have a special obligation to protect a citizen against harms it did not create.Based on these precedents, Lozito was told in the New York City case that “no direct promises of protection were made” to him, and therefore he could not sue the police for failing to come to his aid. In other words, the police do not have to act if someone is actively being harmed, they do not have to arrest someone who has violated orders, and they do not have any obligation to protect you from others.
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Police Have No Duty to Protect the Public - The American Prospect
Though often unsaid in police reform debates, numerous court precedents have established that cops aren’t obligated to act in the interests of citizens.prospect.org
Reporting and interviews give me the impression that law enforcement at the scene would have used force against a parent attempting to enter the school while the same law enforcement wasted a 40 minute to one hour window to end the carnage sooner.I honestly think I would run in even unarmed as a civilian. I would rather die than know I did nothing while kids were being slaughtered. I have no idea what I would do. Maybe I would grab a fire extinguisher or something or try to surprise the guy and I'm sure I would likely end up a casualty but I couldn't sit there and do nothing.
I'm seeing over 40 minutes from time of crash to shooter's death. Yes it is sickening that I'm starting to hear reports of officers waiting outside.
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Texas Shooter Barricaded Himself for 40 Minutes As Police Waited
The shooter who killed 19 children and two teachers in Uvalde, Texas, reportedly barricaded himself as police waited for 40 minutes.www.breitbart.com
I thought that the law enforcement paradigm for active school shooter situations had been changed from the classic "Assess, report, wait for backup" to "Get in and do something."
We all know police have no duty to protect, and that's ok.Police don't have a duty to protect. Was determined by the courts a while back.
In 2005, Jessica Gonzales sued Castle Rock, Colorado police for failing to arrest her husband, who had violated a protective order, resulting in the murder of her three children. Her case went to the U.S. Supreme Court in The Town of Castle Rock v. Gonzales, where she lost because even though the order required arresting her husband upon violation, then-Justice Antonin Scalia successfully argued that “a well-established tradition of police discretion has long coexisted with apparently mandatory arrest statutes.”This case builds upon Supreme Court precedent in Deshaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services (1989). In that case, a young boy was repeatedly abused at the hands of his father, something that county Social Services was aware of, but made no effort to remove the child. His mother sued once the four-year old entered a vegetative state, and the Court ruled that that the state did not have a special obligation to protect a citizen against harms it did not create.Based on these precedents, Lozito was told in the New York City case that “no direct promises of protection were made” to him, and therefore he could not sue the police for failing to come to his aid. In other words, the police do not have to act if someone is actively being harmed, they do not have to arrest someone who has violated orders, and they do not have any obligation to protect you from others.
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Police Have No Duty to Protect the Public - The American Prospect
Though often unsaid in police reform debates, numerous court precedents have established that cops aren’t obligated to act in the interests of citizens.prospect.org
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Texas Shooter Barricaded Himself for 40 Minutes As Police Waited
The shooter who killed 19 children and two teachers in Uvalde, Texas, reportedly barricaded himself as police waited for 40 minutes.www.breitbart.com
I thought that the law enforcement paradigm for active school shooter situations had been changed from the classic "Assess, report, wait for backup" to "Get in and do something."
Although I am not familiar with this Texas school, from my experience, Texas schools are a much softer targets than schools in upstate NY.
Student over crowding in booming Texas makes access control similar to what I see in Hudson Valley Schools impossible.
There are thousands of kids in an elementary school (with often over a dozen elemantary schools in each district) with most students housed in cramped trailer classrooms set up on what was once ball or play fields. Elemantary school students have to go to a different school in the district a couple blocks away for outdoor physical education facilities shared by multiple schools. Same goes for their library resources.
On the other hand, the football stadiums shared by large multi high-school districts are better facilities than many or most D1 College programs.
Valid points. My guess is they would be taken much more seriously if NYS made a push to restrict gun ownership via mental health reasons.On the bright side, Have you ever wondered if anyone ever reads those forms? My Doctor gives me a HIPPA and other forms that I must "complete" every year. For the past 3 or 4 years, I simply write on them Same as last year.
Sign it and hand it in.
Not one word was ever mentioned.
Government Compliance is a mess and is a total waste of time and money.
The FDA Shut down baby formula not because they found contamination at a plant. But because they needed the plant to provide a plan on how they were going to prevent such contamination. WOOT!
"we plan to change and dispose of filters every 15 minutes"
Yes, speaking from experience, that is how Government Compliance Works.
They don't care about your company promoting Feminism ideals or LGBQ equality. They want to see proof of a plan to teach it to the employees and annual certifications of said training from now on.
It is all about the "Plan" and the yearly Certifications. Period.
Funny you mentioned that. If you go to Google maps and look at the school, the first thing you see on street view is a propped open door on the school.Although I am not familiar with this Texas school, from my experience, Texas schools are a much softer targets than schools in upstate NY.
Student over crowding in booming Texas makes access control similar to what I see in Hudson Valley Schools impossible.
There are thousands of kids in an elementary school (with often over a dozen elemantary schools in each district) with most students housed in cramped trailer classrooms set up on what was once ball or play fields. Elemantary school students have to go to a different school in the district a couple blocks away for outdoor physical education facilities shared by multiple schools. Same goes for their library resources.
On the other hand, the football stadiums shared by large multi high-school districts are better facilities than many or most D1 College programs.
After they interview him under oath, they should leave him in the room with his service weapon and 1 round
The cops would have had to fight me off -- as in, shoot me -- to keep me from going inside. No way I would stand outside my kid's school listening to shots blasting. I'm not disparaging the guy who lost a child, but if the cops are just going to mass around and wait for backup, then they're just in the way.I am fucking furious.
40 minutes to an hour the asshole shooter was in the school murdering innocents while equiped law inforcement cowards grouped outside as parents pleaded for them to intercede or let parents enter?
A spokesman bragged the shooter was confined to a classroom that was once filled with live students?
Sounds like Texas justice is more words than action, where is the preparedness, training, rapid response, ...
I'm gonna go hug my grandkids from Texas who just moved back to NY yesterday to be with more family.
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Texas school shooting: Loved ones outside school begged police to go inside during shooting: 'Go in there!'
Loved ones waiting outside Robb Elementary School on Tuesday begged police officers who were standing outside to go in and stop the shooter from killing their children, witnesses say.www.foxnews.com