NYSRPA v. Bruen, NY 2A Case Supreme Court case and decision

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ManualF150 said:
However, Oneida was one of the more tougher areas. Got many friends that live there and it is chaos to try to get unrestricted.

A friend stopped by my place from Oneida who has a restricted PP, and we discussed this and what Mr. Sullivan said publicly. Their plan is to go there in a few weeks and ask them for a new card without restrictions to be printed. Worst case they say no or something changes between now and then.

I have mentioned on here, in Oneida, in order to get unrestricted they wanted you to go through a $200 training session ONLY done by TWO "certified" people. Yes, for the entire county. One of them gave me copies of the forms if anyone wants to review them just PM me. Curious to see how that changes -- if any.
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This is very similar to what has been happening in Saratoga County. I will not hold my breath waiting for a blanket statement from our pistol Lic. officer that all pistol Lic. are now without any subjective administrative restrictions.
 
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Different Drummer said:
This is very similar to what has been happening in Saratoga County. I will not hold my breath waiting for a blanket statement from our pistol Lic. officer that all pistol Lic. are now without any subjective administrative restrictions.
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They may or may not announce it. I can say that Mr. Sullivan was nice enough to state what his county is going to do.

Next question is... how many people are going to go to the PP office and get a new card with no restrictions printed on it?
 
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ManualF150 said:
They may or may not announce it. I can say that Mr. Sullivan was nice enough to state what his county is going to do.

Next question is... how many people are going to go to the PP office and get a new card with no restrictions printed on it?
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I don't see the point in getting a new card. They charge you for it. EVERYONE knows about the ruling. There were no laws against carrying on a restricted permit before anyway. The only risk was pissing off the judge if you did something wrong and he could suspend it. The restrictions are just meaningless words printed on it
 
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Apeman said:
I don't see the point in getting a new card. They charge you for it. EVERYONE knows about the ruling. There were no laws against carrying on a restricted permit before anyway. The only risk was pissing off the judge if you did something wrong and he could suspend it. The restrictions are just meaningless words printed on it
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Here's the thing, yes we know it means nothing on the card now. However a cop might think different if they don't understand.

I've also asked a few other folks today, and they have no idea what this ruling actually means OR that it even happened yesterday. So I can vouch for that everyone doesn't know about it -- yet.

As with anything, it takes time for things to trickle down to people that don't pay attention to the news or don't pay much attention to the gun world.

Heck, I'm even the type of person that I like certain things in black and white. Even if I did have to pay for it to avoid problems.
 
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ManualF150 said:
Here's the thing, yes we know it means nothing on the card now. However a cop might think different if they don't understand.

I've also asked a few other folks today, and they have no idea what this ruling actually means OR that it even happened yesterday. So I can vouch for that everyone doesn't know about it -- yet.

As with anything, it takes time for things to trickle down to people that don't pay attention to the news or don't pay much attention to the gun world.

Heck, I'm even the type of person that I like certain things in black and white. Even if I did have to pay for it to avoid problems.
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Can you provide an example where you would have a cop not only examining your license, but beyond that questioning restrictions and further attempting to escalate this?

Do you have an example that doesn't start with "I know a guy..."
 
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Darth said:
Can you provide an example where you would have a cop not only examining your license, but beyond that questioning restrictions and further attempting to escalate this?

Do you have an example that doesn't start with "I know a guy..."
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I personally have never heard of or encountered anyone who has had this happen. Could it be due to people simply being in fear of losing their permit therefore not challenging the restrictions? Plausible.
 
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Zerex said:
43 states currently have shall issue CC laws.................soon 6 more will join them.

Mag laws, Safe Act, will have to wait until the new semi auto Hochul law is declared unconstitutional.
Cathy hates the fixed mag, full featured AR15's.
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Why bother, go for the full montey.
 
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Zerex said:
Will the two guys who filed the original lawsuit, to get their "hunting, target"hiking, camping" restrictions from their permits lifted, ultimately have them lifted......like today, by the local Judge?

I sincerely doubt it.

In any case, no matter what Hochul does in the meanwhile, the case was remanded back to the lower Fed Court, for implementation of the SCOTUS decision.
That means the Court will allow..... go to gunshop, buy pistol for home, pass NICS and go home with pistol...Legislature will likely have to pass such a law....................EVENTUALLY

Concealed Carry Permits, will be "shall issue"------- without restrictions like hunting camping, target, hiking. Court will allow restrictions/requirements, like NRA CC training course, f-prints, NICS, Mental, and usual county DELAYS for obtaining a permit.

Question is of course, will us current NYS Permit Holders, have our restrictions lifted automatically, so we can carry........ or do we have to re-apply? I just renewed by PP for the next 5 years.

The Semi Auto rifle law Hochul passed, is almost exactly the same as the PP law, that was declared unconstitutional by SCOTUS...AOW law too....maybe even Ghost Gun law.

I can see why Cathy Torquemadae is going insane...a person who buys a gun for the home without a permit, EVENTUALLY,.......... might carry that gun anyway.
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the Court said the 2nd is no different then the 1st ..

so do you need a permit to speak ?

a permit to go to a church .. ?

a permit for free press ?

do you have to pay for them too and get trained .. to use your 1st ?
 
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Saw this video last night. He did a very good job explaining things. And once again I'll say. This is huge. In a previous post I described it as a chink in the armor. I'm upgrading that to a crack in a dam. The importance of proving historical precedence cannot be over stated. Smashing the Sullivan act (1911) into pieces is what this all did. It was enacted over 100 years ago. There is no way it can be argued that the NFA (1934) or gun control act (1968) are historical precedence considering they are even newer than the Sullivan Act. Dominoes are gonna fall one by one.
 
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gun_slinger_boy said:
Saw this video last night. He did a very good job explaining things. And once again I'll say. This is huge. In a previous post I described it as a chink in the armor. I'm upgrading that to a crack in a dam. The importance of proving historical precedence cannot be over stated. Smashing the Sullivan act (1911) into pieces is what this all did. It was enacted over 100 years ago. There is no way it can be argued that the NFA (1934) or gun control act (1968) are historical precedence considering they are even newer than the Sullivan Act. Dominoes are gonna fall one by one.
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This one just uploaded, but yes
 
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Deplorable Me said:
So Hochul has declared that NY will be a safe haven state to honor abortion rights so women can get services here. Can Texas declare themselves a safe haven state for NYs being denied 2A rights here?
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Those cunts wanted their vaginas to be regulated just like guns, so,

First things first. Any shitbag from out-of-state CANNOT get an abortion in another state, unless it is legal to do so in their home state.

Fair's fair.
 
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gun_slinger_boy said:
Saw this video last night. He did a very good job explaining things. And once again I'll say. This is huge. In a previous post I described it as a chink in the armor. I'm upgrading that to a crack in a dam. The importance of proving historical precedence cannot be over stated. Smashing the Sullivan act (1911) into pieces is what this all did. It was enacted over 100 years ago. There is no way it can be argued that the NFA (1934) or gun control act (1968) are historical precedence considering they are even newer than the Sullivan Act. Dominoes are gonna fall one by one.
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the vid i posted above a bit a go .. #1457 ... he brings up the sullivan act .. .. history lesson ..
 
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gun_slinger_boy said:
Saw this video last night. He did a very good job explaining things. And once again I'll say. This is huge. In a previous post I described it as a chink in the armor. I'm upgrading that to a crack in a dam. The importance of proving historical precedence cannot be over stated. Smashing the Sullivan act (1911) into pieces is what this all did. It was enacted over 100 years ago. There is no way it can be argued that the NFA (1934) or gun control act (1968) are historical precedence considering they are even newer than the Sullivan Act. Dominoes are gonna fall one by one.
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This is why I also mentioned in other posts I've made and said similar to you, this case was small potatoes, but it was an absolute amazing vessel to get others tossed out.

Think about it.. the justices who decided this is the one we want to hear had to have a small ides that there is very little history and evidence of regulating the carry of handguns outside of the home... what better small potatoes starting point to drop the opinion they did knowing full well it was going to do the work for them on othe regulations
 
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gun_slinger_boy said:
Ah yes. The thumbnail looked like the two from yesterday. Now looking at his videos it looks like he uses Thomas thumbnails quite a bit.
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Yea I hate how lazy he's kind of gotten with his thumbnails. But also it's pretty much saying what you are saying. It's good shit
 
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Edwardteach72 said:
Think about it.. the justices who decided this is the one we want to hear had to have a small ides that there is very little history and evidence of regulating the carry of handguns outside of the home... what better small potatoes starting point to drop the opinion they did knowing full well it was going to do the work for them on othe regulations
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I hadn't even considered that. They were/are definitely playing chess then.
 
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