TEOTWAWKI inc.
.338 Win Mag
Can y'all just move it out of the road so other people can get by? Your car fire is infringing on my peaceable journey.
NYSRPA v. Bruen, NY 2A Case Supreme Court case and decision
- Thread starter ManualF150
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I haven't checked it out with the meter maids yet.
dwa12479
.338 Win Mag
This is outside the scope of the ruling. In a nutshell, there are states that reject people's application to carry just because they can.
Example: my brother is an active duty Staff Sergeant in the Army. He's led fire teams into combat in Afghanistan. Maryland denied him a CCP because he didn't prove a need to have it. This is the "may issue" scenario that was the basis for the lawsuit. If he re-applied today he would HAVE to be approved.
As far as I can tell from what I've read on the case, it doesn't address the method of carry, ie. open or concealed. It only struck down the "may issue" permitting system. (But not the overall permitting system itself)
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
The court challenges to those restricted places will be largely successful. Why? In part because it wasn’t considered sensitive for hundred years unlike schools or courthouses. Places like the NYC subway and many parks had exceptions for permit holders in their rules. Thomas in his opinion set a standard that the rule must meet. What they can do is give businesses the right to say “ no gun zone” and give it the force of law.
JackNeat
.45 acp
NY and Kathy are going to fuck around until they get the same back. It’s going to take lawsuits, non-compliance and every damn gun owner hounding their reps every damn week for answers and as much compliance as we can hope for in a control hungry state.
I started calling my reps and I’ll be on then a few times every week until we get answers..
I started calling my reps and I’ll be on then a few times every week until we get answers..
Agree, but how many court challenges do we need to have??
spat
.950 JDJ
How is that in any way analogous to what we are discussing ?
spat
.950 JDJ
How is this so hard for you to understand.
SCOTUS doesn't generally issue orders to states or governments. They issue orders to appellate courts when they think those courts made mistakes.
They order the appellate courts to fix their mistake. Because the appellate courts are the ones that report to them, not the states.
This is pretty universal and basic chain of command stuff.
If the CEO wants a new color widget, he doesn't go down to the production line and order the painter to start spraying. He orders the COO to pass the order down the line.
spat
.950 JDJ
Sometimes I wonder.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
It will be a lot in the beginning.
That_FNG
.308 Win
Isn’t that what texas has and their 30.06 signs?
ManualF150
.308 Win
Yes.
In fact, if you read the laws for Texas, they do restrict in plenty of places. Especially where a restaurant/bar gross alcohol sales are 51% or greater.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
Private business as opposed to public. And they have exemptions to those signs for retired law enforcement as well
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
The bar restriction is a different violation of law. The alcohol violation is a felony. The regular no gun sign violation is a fine
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
How the Supreme Court ruling on gun restrictions will impact state laws
warning a PBS report,,,
ManualF150
.308 Win
That report doesn't even focus on what changed!
You still need to be a law-abiding citizen to get a pistol permit to legally own a handgun.
What SCOTUS decided on did not change anything to put the general population at risk, because law abiding citizens are NOT criminals.
Basically that PBS video is telling all of us that have pistol permits and guns for that matter, we are criminals.
Shame on PBS!
ianpetrillo
22lr
I live in Westchester County and submitted my amendment to remove my Target restriction on Friday. The woman went through my documents and said they were all there but that they were waiting for word on how to handle this situation. I had done an amendment before to add a pistol and it took 2 weeks to get back but she said because this is a restriction change it could take up to six months. On my Full Carry attachment I just wrote that I have been a responsible Target permit holder for 2 years and want to be able to carry to other places without fear of losing my guns and referenced the supreme court case in allowing me this freedom. We will see how it goes, worst case I lose the $3 filing fee.
FPC already working on shutting down "sensitive place" restrictions
I can surely see your point, and I also agree this is going to effect those of us that were already unrestricted. For one of the worst States for gun control, those of us who could carry had very few restrictions. Yes I think that will change.
On the other hand, I'm like you. Have unrestricted permit, don't hunt anymore. Pretty much just collect and build fun guns that piss the liberals off. The level of scrutiny has been set to prove that mag limits, and aw bans are unconstitutional, and I'm willing to deal with whatever bullshit they come up with to get those rights back. Concealed is concealed.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
you need a permit to march down a street so they can close off the roads and such .,.
you are free to walk down the side of the road or on the side walk and protests all you want free of charge with as many friends you want with you ..
sorry .. no RIGHT NEEDS A PERMIT .. or then every damn one does .. and applied equally ..
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
In this video I break down the recent national gun control bill which President Biden signed into law. I also break down the various sections of the bill using the recent Supreme Court analysis affirmed in NYSRPA v. Bruen.
i think not one holds muster .. the bill is unconstitutional and off to the courts
i think not one holds muster .. the bill is unconstitutional and off to the courts
spat
.950 JDJ
You shouldn't need a permit for any of that stuff.
The only thing you should need a permit for is to *reserve* a public space for your exclusive use.
A group protesting in a park shouldn't need a permit at all, unless they intend to interfere with others use of that park (even if just by sheer volume of participants).
Need to close a road for your parade ? Get a permit.
Just standing on the shoulder with signs, after walking from wherever you legally parked should not need a permit.
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
The only reason that needs to be specified, now, is "All Legal Purposes."
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
"because i want one .. its my RIGHT" ..
but now you shouldn't even need a damn reason .. or even have that question on the form now ..
spat
.950 JDJ
I'd love to see someone apply and just say "To express my support for the 2nd ammendment in any place it's legal to do so".
Not hunting, or target shooting, or self defense, but for political expression. Deny this permit and you violate at least 3 amendments.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
Who doesn’t need a permit in New York. Oh, wait. The answer will be the police right? The “permit “ comes from everything they did to get the badge. Background checks, the training and the “ restrictions “ the job puts on their on and “ off duty” conduct . You would be complaining if you had to jump through all the hoops someone does to be a police officer, just to carry a gun. I’m not talking actually doing the job, but just the steps to get into the police academy. Then add the bs supervision.
And they can suspend that ability to carry that gun without ever committing a crime. And with the current decision, the permit holder has more due process rights than that officer
In his opinion Kavanaugh said states will still be allowed to make restrictions for "sensitive areas", and they can require training and they can strengthen their background checks.
ManualF150
.308 Win
It will be interesting to see what happens. I would hate to be someone in the next few months getting a permit if they add more red tape that the SCOTUS decision didn't focus on.
It was clearly mentioned that states will still be allowed to restrict carry in "sensitive areas" and they can require training and they can strengthen their background checks.