NY's Vindictive Plans for carry - special session next week to respond to SCOTUS's ruling. (Merged)

[Truebeliever]

Because they actually have TIME for that? The counties can't even get permits issued within a reasonable time, you think they can actually perform how many THOUSANDS of background checks a month?

The burden would be on them. Who cares then. And it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to type a name, date of birth in a computer. The comparison of the information on the screen to the person is where skill might be involved. But in 99% of the cases where addresses can be compared, it’s not complicated.

 

[Truebeliever]

That list also includes government buildings, healthcare facilities, places of worship, libraries, public playgrounds and parks, daycares, summer camps, addiction and mental health centers, shelters, public transit, bars, theaters, stadiums, museums, polling places and casinos.

Great, why not give the bad guys heads up of all the places they can harm others with no concern for their safety.


New York will also create a new felony crime for people who carry firearms into places of business where owners haven't put up signage saying guns are welcome.

Nice. Now I would know who to give my money to and who not to. Also, if there was no option, unless they had metal ditectors they can go pound salt.


provide their social media accounts,

Yeah, good luck with that one.


Man I can't wait to get the hell out of here.

That’s not going to pass muster in the courts. Especially for LEOSA. It doesn’t meet the Thomas doctrine. Opting in would be completely new to the legal system

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

That’s not going to pass muster in the courts. Especially for LEOSA. It doesn’t meet the Thomas doctrine. Opting in would be completely new to the legal system

I think most of us already realize 99.8% chance this gets wiped out by SCOTUS.

the bullshit is how do we tolerate this crap until that day happens because sadly it will be the law of the land until it's inevitably struck down some point in the future.

We may have to deal with the next 1-5 years of being allowed to carry in our driveway while bring up the trash cans.

Even though the law is clearly unconstitutional who is going to want to risk a felony with automatic 4years and everything that goes along with being a felon...



This state is a lost cause. We will still have to live under this tyranny. Once this gets repealed they will just talk to the anti gun fairy in imaginationland and pull up some new set of all encompassing creative ways to screw us in the future. They're just going to keep going.

 

[4WHLDRFTN]

We will still have to live under this tyranny. .

only if you keep choosing to do so

 

[Dr. Evil]

This state is a lost cause.

This.

BTW, what's with the businesses will have to put up signs saying guns are welcome there thing? Might seem trivial but if a store doesn't want customers with firearms they should put up a no firearm sign. The owness should be on them to dispute the whole firearm thing, not on those that have no issue with them. Similar to the whole bullshit of, "Press one for English" thing. I shouldn't have to choose a language that we speak above all in this country. If you don't want English feel free to choose something else. This shit drives me nuts.

 

[Cavalry]

Who the fuck wrote that article? A 5th grader?

I missed that article. Holy shit that's bad! I think my 3rd grader could do better.

I think its more likely its some sort of automated way to steal news articles and not give credit to the author?
The original article is from the Times N.Y. Democrats to Pass New Gun Laws in Response to Supreme Court Ruling
A few words per sentence are changed to synonyms of the original, obviously not the best choices.

 

[Deplorable Me]

This.

BTW, what's with the businesses will have to put up signs saying guns are welcome there? Might seem trivial but if a store doesn't want customers with firearms they should put up a no firearm sign. The owness should be on them to dispute the whole firearm thing, not on those that have no issue with them. Similar to the whole bullshit of, "Press one for English" thing. I shouldn't have to choose a language that we speak above all in this country. If you don't want English feel free to have to signify that. This shit drives me nuts.

So a business putting up "no problem" signs, will they be boycotted by anti gun people? Will gun ranges, gun stores and gun clubs, will they have to put up "guns welcome" signs? Will the "guns welcome" signs apply to SWAT teams at crack houses and meth labs?

 

[Saltwater60]

There is a “while hunting” exception. But not a general “hunting trip” exception.

There is a while hunting except, but that’s for state land and not private land. So my question is if your neighbors land is posted and he verbally gives you the ok is that enough now or would you still be a felon per the states rules. If he posts his land with OK TO HUNT then does that apply to everyone or just who he gives permission to. I hunt on land that isn’t mine, a guys land I have semi-regular contact with and a guys land who just doesn’t post it at all and no one has met him in the last 25 years that we know of. On my parents land there is a road where one guy owns half and another guy owns the other half. I have permission to hunt one guys property but not the other. Am I a felon if I step one step off the middle or hunt the guys land I have default permission to hunt since he doesn’t post it?

 

[BuffNiag]

Full announcement if you can stand to watch her. She looks uncomfortable reading off the new laws. I think even she knows how ridiculous they all are... was probably jammed down her throat by one of Bloomberg's groups.

 

[Saltwater60]

So a business putting up "no problem" signs, will they be boycotted by anti gun people? Will gun ranges, gun stores and gun clubs, will they have to put up "guns welcome" signs? Will the "guns welcome" signs apply to SWAT teams at crack houses and meth labs?

LEO are expempt as well as peace officers and security guards on duty.

 

[camper4lyfe]

Full announcement if you can stand to watch her. She looks uncomfortable reading off the new laws. I think even she knows how ridiculous they all are... was probably jammed down her throat by one of Bloomberg's groups.

Strange, the comments are turned off on that video. I wonder why.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Full announcement if you can stand to watch her. She looks uncomfortable reading off the new laws. I think even she knows how ridiculous they all are... was probably jammed down her throat by one of Bloomberg's groups.

Sorry, no can do. Watch it that is.

 

[Saltwater60]

Full announcement if you can stand to watch her. She looks uncomfortable reading off the new laws. I think even she knows how ridiculous they all are... was probably jammed down her throat by one of Bloomberg's groups.

Notice how she makes it seem like criminals will be allowed to carry guns now and that’s what the Supreme Court ruling allowed.

 

[camper4lyfe]

Notice how she makes it seem like criminals will be allowed to carry guns now and that’s what the Supreme Court ruling allowed.

And the lie that the entire law was repealed? Dumbfuck, the ONLY thing that was knocked down was the "just cause" requirement. That's all! All they had to do was remove that and all would be good. It wasn't the entire fucking law.

Nope, I'm not mad. Not at all.

 

[Saltwater60]

Also anyone notice how you will need a background check to purchase ammunition for any gun requiring registration or a license now? So this means any pistol and any centerfire rifle cartridge. This is a defacto state registration of every gun they are afraid of and seek to ban at some point.
So if you don’t register all your long guns you will no longer be able to purchase ammo in NYS for that long gun that is a centerfired rifle. I wonder how many will sign up for a license just to make it easier.

 

[Rap]

Go reset the clock on them:

"Thank you for recertifying your pistol permit. Your next recertification is due on 07/01/2027."

 

[camper4lyfe]

Also anyone notice how you will need a background check to purchase ammunition for any gun requiring registration or a license now? So this means any pistol and any centerfire rifle cartridge. This is a defacto state registration of every gun they are afraid of and seek to ban at some point.
So if you don’t register all your long guns you will no longer be able to purchase ammo in NYS for that long gun that is a centerfired rifle. I wonder how many will sign up for a license just to make it easier.

Any semi-auto rifle, not just centerfires. No more buying .22LR without a background check that can't be done.

 

[benttwig]

Go reset the clock on them:

"Thank you for recertifying your pistol permit. Your next recertification is due on 07/01/2027."

I wish the system would let me. I filled out the form and mailed it in with the hope they they will do it on their end.

 

[BuffNiag]

Go reset the clock on them:

"Thank you for recertifying your pistol permit. Your next recertification is due on 07/01/2027."

It appears you need to be within one year from expiration date to be able to do this. I.e., if expiration date is 7/2/23 or later, you can't do it.

 

[Zerex]

First, SCOTUS sent the decision down the 2nd Circuit Ct of Appeals, for implementation of the SCOTUS ruling............that has not happened yet.................but that Court WILL be cognizant of what can be done legally.

If the Legislature has violated in the meanwhile, what the 2nd Ct says can be done........lawsuits will quash the savages illegal laws.

For example....to simply purchase a handgun for the home, no license to carry concelaed or for home self defense use, is necessary, according to the SCOTUS........simply pass NICS and take pistol home. Concealed carry only, can require a license...

I read that entire proposed communist 7/1 laws of idiocy.......

I successfully recertified my formerly restricted permit too...NO TRAINING THIS GO AROUND, UNTIL 2027, IF AT ALL. Everybody else will have to....People here ought to get the NRA certs, and set up a gun school for $$$$.

The NICS check on ammo sales............... is like the old SAFE ACT........Fed NICS not allowed on simple ammo sales.......NYSP will have to do their own NICS check on AMMO.......ain't gonna happen, like last time.

COMPONENTS, POWDER, BRASS, AND BULLETS UNREGULATED.

Gun sales NICS check.
Local Gun Dealer has to call NYSP to get PERMISSION for a NICS check..............NICS done by NYSP......NOT GONNA HAPPEN EITHER.!!!.... or get permission from NYSP clerk,, for Local Gun Dealer to do it on you as in the past............but Gun Dealer has to tell NYSP clerkof the gun sale, for them to put it in a new database, that will record all ammo sales and guns sales, and all licenses.......on you, and check the data base on you monthly...... forever...........



The SEMI AUTO license law will also likely die, eventually...............licenses are not in common use or requirment for semi auto rifles nationwide............. but will likely requrie a new lawsuit, unless STRICT SCRUTINY rules are applied by the 2nd Circuit Ct as required by SCOTUS......... and destroys this law too............
I do not see ammo sales NICS check as surviving very long either.

Training requirement will survive.

Safe Storage laws will survive..........but not many daily searches done by NAZI's, since May of 1945. Have a gun holster attached under the table or headboard. Put a deadbolt on your gun room door. Buy a small Hornady pistol safe to make it look good, next to your bed.

Sensitive areas...............not much difference from before SCOTUS..........YOU ALWAYS HAD TO BE FUCKING CAREFUL NOT TO HAVE THE GUN PRINT anywhere you went..

STOP AND FRISK OF PEDESTRIANS, OR CAR DRIVERS, WITHOUT DREADS OR BAGGY PANTS, OR VISIBLE GANG TATS, NOT A COMMON OCCURANCE, FOR A MAN, OR A WOMAN CARRY A HANDBAG. Look suspicious..get stopped.

Thousands of pistols are carried every day, successfully by criminals, AND the normal citizen. Do not be a child about it...be like the CIA SPY.
No one should know you are carrying............unless your juvenile ego just has to display it.

DWI stops/arrests, or accidents where you are arrested, may be a different outcome. NO arrest..get a ride home safely.

 

[drowhawk]

Just tried to recert. early.
Got this error: "Your recertification due date is 04/**/2024, you are allowed to recertify your pistol permit on or after 04/**/2023"

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Go reset the clock on them:

"Thank you for recertifying your pistol permit. Your next recertification is due on 07/01/2027."

Lol we're all doing it....

I just gave myself 5 more years and I better be out of NY by then

 

[drowhawk]

So we're pretty much all in agreement that it's time to leave NY?

 

[Defilade]

I just re-cert 2 months ago. They can kiss my dick! Personal property shooting on Personal property. They have NO authority what so ever.

 

[Rap]

It appears you need to be within one year from expiration date to be able to do this. I.e., if expiration date is 7/2/23 or later, you can't do it.

I recertified in March of 2021. I just did so again today.

 

[Cavalry]

7 months until my cert is up. I dont want to be in the scramble while this is doing whatever its going to do, re-uping it this weekend.

 

[Cavalry]

I recertified in March of 2021. I just did so again today.

Interesting. If this is the case, I might write a script that auto completes the online form every day, Would take all of 20 mins to do. Have to do some experimenting.

 

[mark60]

I choked my way through the video above. She said that it will be illegal to carry in a private business and in the same breath said bars, restaurants, gathering places. On the surface I would think the private businesses she's talking about are bars, restaurants, and other gathering places. I could also take it to mean private businesses such as my local grocery store, Walmart, convenience store so basically can't legally carry inside of anywhere unless the business posts explicit permission. If a business poster permission I'm sure they'd be opening themselves up to a losing legal battle if a shooting occurs in their business, they allowed guns in after all.

As to the training requirement I don't know about everyone else's locale but we have one gun range where I live. I can't imagine all of us getting the required live fire training before our licenses expired. I'll recertify this evening and I have two more NY winters, then they can kiss my ass.

 

[libertysnake]

So did I (I was due in something like just under 4 months anyway), but I can't say I'm not worried about it being deemed an issue/invalid after the fact due to either not having their training requirement or some other bullshit (change to 3 year cert...who knows.. whatever). I'm very undecided on whether I think it was the best idea or not.

It COULD wind up being the greater limbo.. or worse.

mine isn’t due till Jan. You think it’s best to wait and simply do the training in the fall?

 

[Beerman]

So if my girlfriend hires me as her full time personal private bodyguard would that qualify?

No, they closed the boyfriend loophole.