NY's Vindictive Plans for carry - special session next week to respond to SCOTUS's ruling. (Merged)

[Blackjack]

It does apply here. Ever see forms asking if you are a sovereign citizen? You have to take the steps to become one and become an American National. I'm still researching this. Numerous videos out there on how it has been done.

Isn’t that renouncing your citizenship and one of the first questions you answer on the 4473?

 

[Truebeliever]

It does apply here. Ever see forms asking if you are a sovereign citizen? You have to take the steps to become one and become an American National. I'm still researching this. Numerous videos out there on how it has been done.

So you are a part of that movement. No one has become a sovereign citizen while in the borders of the United States.
Please don’t bring that BS to this forum.

 

[ManualF150]

Just out of curiosity, since I (and my friends) want to stay legal and not turn into criminals... What do we need to do for the following:

1. The law that was just passed regarding premises that want to have concealed handguns allow on premises you need to have a signage. Does anyone have any idea how big of a sign, where it needs to be posted? Any standard layout?

2. I'm not due for recertification yet, however that 15 hour training upon recertification. How does one go about doing this?

As much BS this is, unfortunately I need to make sure I'm in compliance..... I tried calling my local PP office and they weren't answering their phones or they were just busy. Or do I need to call my local police department?

 

[Truebeliever]

Just out of curiosity, since I (and my friends) want to stay legal and not turn into criminals... What do we need to do for the following:

1. The law that was just passed regarding premises that want to have concealed handguns allow on premises you need to have a signage. Does anyone have any idea how big of a sign, where it needs to be posted? Any standard layout?

2. I'm not due for recertification yet, however that 15 hour training upon recertification. How does one go about doing this?

As much BS this is, unfortunately I need to make sure I'm in compliance..... I tried calling my local PP office and they weren't answering their phones or they were just busy. Or do I need to call my local police department?

The law doesn’t give specifics about the signage and more specifics about the training and the test will come down soon

 

[ManualF150]

The law doesn’t give specifics about the signage and more specifics about the training and the test will come down soon

Ok thanks. I think for now, I'll just print something out to some effect saying that "Concealed Carry Guns Allowed" or something and just hang it in my foyer.

These laws are a joke... I'm so pissed that it hasn't been overturned yet. It's amazing how fast something can be signed into law.

 

[Truebeliever]

Ok thanks. I think for now, I'll just print something out to some effect saying that "Concealed Carry Guns Allowed" or something and just hang it in my foyer.

These laws are a joke... I'm so pissed that it hasn't been overturned yet. It's amazing how fast something can be signed into law.

I found that Lowes sells the signs

 

[ManualF150]

I found that Lowes sells the signs

I guess they do: https://www.lowes.com/pd/Hillman-6-in-x-4-in-Sign/1000552121

I'll pick one up tomorrow...

 

[Deplorable Me]

I guess they do: https://www.lowes.com/pd/Hillman-6-in-x-4-in-Sign/1000552121

I'll pick one up tomorrow...

So Lowes is GTG for concealed carry?

 

[maverick52]

Just out of curiosity, since I (and my friends) want to stay legal and not turn into criminals... What do we need to do for the following:

1. The law that was just passed regarding premises that want to have concealed handguns allow on premises you need to have a signage. Does anyone have any idea how big of a sign, where it needs to be posted? Any standard layout?

2. I'm not due for recertification yet, however that 15 hour training upon recertification. How does one go about doing this?

As much BS this is, unfortunately I need to make sure I'm in compliance..... I tried calling my local PP office and they weren't answering their phones or they were just busy. Or do I need to call my local police department?

Just chill and wait. I’m in the same boat. Let the law go into effect on Sept 1. Let’s see if there’s an injunction. All of these laws are going to be challenged. Once the dust settles than make a plan of action. No offense but everyone being in such a rush to comply is what makes these assholes in Albany bold to push their agenda. Hang tight. It’s going to be okay.

 

[Steal2B]

So Lowes is GTG for concealed carry?

Lol. Maybe just Poughkeepsie

 

[Truebeliever]

So Lowes is GTG for concealed carry?

They sell the sign . I don’t know if they posted somewhere. But if the sign is anywhere in the store, it means the law’s requirement

 

[Deplorable Me]

They sell the sign . I don’t know if they posted somewhere. But if the sign is anywhere in the store, it means the law’s requirement

Stand in the front entrance holding your purchase.

 

[Defilade]

So you are a part of that movement. No one has become a sovereign citizen while in the borders of the United States.
Please don’t bring that BS to this forum.

No I am not part of any movement. I am researching the topic. But keep complying and see where it gets you hard charger.

 

[Defilade]

Anyways here of anyone's guns being yanked because they didn't Re cert? Re cert alone is illegal on it's face.

 

[Saltwater60]

So how many people in here aren’t going to vote for Zeldin because he doesn’t fit your perfect candidate score and let Hochul win?

This kumquat needs to go. She already pissed off a majority in the healthcare industry. I know hardcore liberals that had to leave their job to either take care of kids or get a shot and they are capital PISSED. Add law enforcement, fire fighters, gun owners all conservatives, republicans, businesses owners that were forced to close. Women that don’t want to be groped, pro life… and all their families.

Time to bite the bullet and take on the greater evil this November!

Hochul will still win regardless if all those vote for Zeldin.

 

[Truebeliever]

No I am not part of any movement. I am researching the topic. But keep complying and see where it gets you hard charger.

I’m glad you aren’t involved with that movement but you seem to skirting the edge with their philosophy. I have seen the sovereign citizen and the personal sovereign nation ( different movement and slightly different philosophy ) all get themselves jammed up. I have dealt with many a “ jailhouse lawyer” over the years. Occasionally they are right, but not often. Questioning the authority of the government rarely works ( as opposed to claiming a different government agency jurisdiction issue).
You want to do non compliance. If you get caught, the blame is on you and not the guy who caught you.
Give the lawyers a chance to get an injunction before you do something stupid that could forever take away your gun rights.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

I’m glad you aren’t involved with that movement but you seem to skirting the edge with their philosophy. I have seen the sovereign citizen and the personal sovereign nation ( different movement and slightly different philosophy ) all get themselves jammed up. I have dealt with many a “ jailhouse lawyer” over the years. Occasionally they are right, but not often. Questioning the authority of the government rarely works ( as opposed to claiming a different government agency jurisdiction issue).
You want to do non compliance. If you get caught, the blame is on you and not the guy who caught you.
Give the lawyers a chance to get an injunction before you do something stupid that could forever take away your gun rights.

Oh, okay Kathy.

 

[brucie]

Regarding the NYSP taking over NICS checks lets all hope they do not adopt the NJ method. No checks on Sunday holidays or when the state decides to close early for weather or any other reason they decide.

It also costs $20 on top of the sales tax and for that privilege you get to wait 3-7 days for your Instant check to come back.

 

[Defilade]

I’m glad you aren’t involved with that movement but you seem to skirting the edge with their philosophy. I have seen the sovereign citizen and the personal sovereign nation ( different movement and slightly different philosophy ) all get themselves jammed up. I have dealt with many a “ jailhouse lawyer” over the years. Occasionally they are right, but not often. Questioning the authority of the government rarely works ( as opposed to claiming a different government agency jurisdiction issue).
You want to do non compliance. If you get caught, the blame is on you and not the guy who caught you.
Give the lawyers a chance to get an injunction before you do something stupid that could forever take away your gun rights.

I'm open to all ideas here. This is "We the People". Government agencies do not have authority over us. That's not the way this works. Government is there to protect our rights. Mandates, codes, statues are all garbage. Laws created against the individual are null and void. I was not the one who murdered in Buffalo.

 

[maverick52]

Regarding the NYSP taking over NICS checks lets all hope they do not adopt the NJ method. No checks on Sunday holidays or when the state decides to close early for weather or any other reason they decide.

It also costs $20 on top of the sales tax and for that privilege you get to wait 3-7 days for your Instant check to come back.

Let’s see if they can even put this together. I get the sense this is all a show for the election. NYSP has till April 2023 to get their system up and running. They couldn’t do it the first time, let’s see it happen now.

 

[ManualF150]

Just chill and wait. I’m in the same boat. Let the law go into effect on Sept 1. Let’s see if there’s an injunction. All of these laws are going to be challenged. Once the dust settles than make a plan of action. No offense but everyone being in such a rush to comply is what makes these assholes in Albany bold to push their agenda. Hang tight. It’s going to be okay.

Ahh, ok. I didn't know the timeline. I thought it went in effect when signed upon. I should've read a little deeper.

Then this can wait then... thanks!

 

[Truebeliever]

I'm open to all ideas here. This is "We the People". Government agencies do not have authority over us. That's not the way this works. Government is there to protect our rights. Mandates, codes, statues are all garbage. Laws created against the individual are null and void. I was not the one who murdered in Buffalo.

So to steal is okay by your standard…to rape , murder, is okay. Fire codes or building standards are illegal by that point of view. So is product safety laws.
Government agencies have some power over us as granted by Congress, common law, or by the state/local government. You should really study some history of the constitution and the powers of the state governments before 1960. Local cops didn’t need a warrant unless state constitution required it up until 1960. Miranda warnings were 1962.
Terry v Ohio which SCOTUS explained how a cop could stop, frisk and possibly search someone was actually the court limiting police powers. Before then, a cop could search you on a mere hunch or any reason. That case was in 1968.
So the founding fathers would have been okay with police powers that we would not want to today. Go look up what they did to enforce their laws.

 

[FP1201]

Hochul will still win regardless if all those vote for Zeldin.

Sure she will, besides being great to one another when it comes to Gun and the Shooting Sports, Gun Owners are the laziest, most pessimistic group of Voters in the State... We have too many that have earned the "Fudd" moniker and even more that think "my guy is different", and worst of all the ones that always vote "D" because they think they're exempt from the Laws that save them from evil black rifles.

 

[Defilade]

So to steal is okay by your standard…to rape , murder, is okay. Fire codes or building standards are illegal by that point of view. So is product safety laws.
Government agencies have some power over us as granted by Congress, common law, or by the state/local government. You should really study some history of the constitution and the powers of the state governments before 1960. Local cops didn’t need a warrant unless state constitution required it up until 1960. Miranda warnings were 1962.
Terry v Ohio which SCOTUS explained how a cop could stop, frisk and possibly search someone was actually the court limiting police powers. Before then, a cop could search you on a mere hunch or any reason. That case was in 1968.
So the founding fathers would have been okay with police powers that we would not want to today. Go look up what they did to enforce their laws.

Common law are principles that can be used in any court when you assert your rights. Common law entails things like due process of law and the right to trial by jury. common law dictates that for a crime to be committed there needs to be an injured party.

 

[FP1201]

if you get pulled over for a tail light and they see a box .. ohhh no .. issue is they can't prolong the stop and wait 30 minutes for a search warrant or the drug dogs on a hunch or you saying NO ..

So just Say .. NO .. i don't consent to a search and shut up and let your lawyer handle the rest ..

Perhaps I'm mistaken or its a State Specific thing, but there are Time limitations to how long one can be detained in a Traffic Stop waiting on a Dog, or possibly other things like finding a Judge to obtain a Warrant to search, if there weren't you could be stuck on the side of the Road infinitely?
Used to be, maybe still is a huge problem of "Civil Forfeitures" and questionable searched by Cops cruising I-10 looking for targeted vehicles. (Profiling) and possibly rightly so looking for contraban and especially money that they could seize and keep so long as they split it with the Feds.

 

[Truebeliever]

Just chill and wait. I’m in the same boat. Let the law go into effect on Sept 1. Let’s see if there’s an injunction. All of these laws are going to be challenged. Once the dust settles than make a plan of action. No offense but everyone being in such a rush to comply is what makes these assholes in Albany bold to push their agenda. Hang tight. It’s going to be okay.

The right advice. This came down on July 4th weekend . Almost nothing gets done on July 4 weekend .
We should see an injunction attempt within the next two weeks. I’m

Common law are principles that can be used in any court when you assert your rights. Common law entails things like due process of law and the right to trial by jury. common law dictates that for a crime to be committed there needs to be an injured party.

Thst’s straight out of the sovereign citizen playbook. Not only doesn’t it work for them but they are wrong about English common law. The injured party for violating a law in the common law days would be the authority of the crown/government.

Want more “proof” that what you are writing about needing an injured party is BS and doesn’t hold water. Sovereign citizens don’t get driver’s licenses, registration on their cars but they do get arrested and convicted of driving with a license.
Domestic violence victims often don’t want to press charges — the state doesn’t care. Violation of an order of protection but the woman says it’s okay for him to come over? Doesn’t matter, he violated the judge’s order.
There is even historical examples of when Washington was president

 

[spat]

Almost no one would get their taillights fixed then.
Everyone would speed, etc etc

And the world would end I'm sure.

Nope, that would just make those people at fault in an accident. Which is all it should be anyway.

 

[spat]

The right advice. This came down on July 4th weekend . Almost nothing gets done on July 4 weekend .
We should see an injunction attempt within the next two weeks. I’m

Thst’s straight out of the sovereign citizen playbook. Not only doesn’t it work for them but they are wrong about English common law. The injured party for violating a law in the common law days would be the authority of the crown/government.

Want more “proof” that what you are writing about needing an injured party is BS and doesn’t hold water. Sovereign citizens don’t get driver’s licenses, registration on their cars but they do get arrested and convicted of driving with a license.
Domestic violence victims often don’t want to press charges — the state doesn’t care. Violation of an order of protection but the woman says it’s okay for him to come over? Doesn’t matter, he violated the judge’s order.
There is even historical examples of when Washington was president

And that's wrong.

Used to be illegal to help slaves escape too.

Good thing we didn't just say "that's the law, so follow it and shut up".

 

[spat]

If it did that would justify the cost to me

Have to ask @Bigfoot , They're his cousins.

 

[spat]

Take down a few notches. You can’t file criminal charges for making a law. And you can’t file criminal charges for enforcing that law unless it conflicts with another law or it’s been declared unconstitutional.
You can file a civil suit. Big difference and even then, the politicians are immune.

You can't, but you should be able to.

You couldn't tell AL Capone you didn't need his "protection" either, until someone fixed that.