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Trump planned and worked hard to encourage his followers to come to Capital Hill and force Congress to subvert the Constitutionally-mandated Electoral count. Did he use the words "violence"? No, Did he urge them to fight hard? Yes.

If I was the DOJ would I charge Trump with incitement? I might, still not sure.
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No. there is not one shed of evidence that he ""planned"" to force congress to subvert anything. You can charge him with drug dealing if you want. but you have to have evidence and show that evidence in a court of law. Thats why he wasnt charged.

"fight Hard" is s subjective phrase used by chuck shumer Too. along with football coaches and UFC fighters , and lawyers, Its subjective . Its one thing to say We'll fight hard to stop this, and another to say We will fight hard no matter how many die.
 
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IT was not a symbol of hate and evil. It was the flag of many American states, 90% of the people who fought for it Never owned a slave ,

And millions died under the flag of the commies.
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Confederate flag represented a "nation" created on the basis of ignorant hatred and white supremacy, and the enslavement of millions of people simply due to their race. You dig a REALLY deep hole by defending it, buddy. You should probably stop now.
 
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No. there is not one shed of evidence that he ""planned"" to force congress to subvert anything. You can charge him with drug dealing if you want. but you have to have and show , the evidence in a court of law. Thats why he wasnt charged.

"fight Hard" is s subjective phrase used by chuck shumer Too. along with football coaches and UFC fighters , and lawyers, Its subjective . Its one thing to say We'll fight hard to stop this, and another to say We will fight hard no matter how many die.
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There appears to be a great deal of evidence that Trump wanted the protesters to force or intimidate Congress into ignoring the certified Electoral results from the 6 states. There by giving him the win.
 
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ronstar said:
Several protestors were arrested and charged with firearms offenses.
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Fine and I agree with that, but none of them were in the Capitol building. I just found it very odd that you said they were armed and we all saw the guy with the zip tie. Zip ties don’t indicate armed people to me.
 
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ronstar said:
Confederate flag represented a "nation" created on the basis of ignorant hatred and white supremacy, and the enslavement of millions of people simply due to their race. You dig a REALLY deep hole by defending it, buddy. You should probably stop now.
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"The Confederate battle flag, initially authorized for units of the Confederate armed forces during the American Civil War (1861–1865), has become one of the most recognized, misunderstood, and controversial symbols in American history. Originally designed as a Confederate national flag by William Porcher Miles of South Carolina, it was rejected by the Confederate Congress but subsequently adopted by the Confederate army, which needed a banner that was easily distinguishable from the United States flag. The battle flag"


both sides had the same flag at the start of the war ..


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Confederate Battle Flag - Encyclopedia Virginia

Origin The first Confederate national flag, which came to be known as the Stars and Bars, was rectangular with three horizontal bars alternating red, white, and red. In the upper left was a portion of blue and a circle of white stars representing each Confederate state—at first seven, then...
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point on the poster on what one offended you ...
 
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ronstar said:
Confederate flag represented a "nation" created on the basis of ignorant hatred and white supremacy, and the enslavement of millions of people simply due to their race. You dig a REALLY deep hole by defending it, buddy. You should probably stop now.
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says they guy with no understanding of American history. I bet you think the civil war was all about slavery......before you answer, you may want to do some research
 
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ronstar said:
So you're saying Biden should not have followed through with the withdrawal timetable agreed to by President Trump? That would have given the Taliban the excuse to start killing American soldiers again. They only stopped, after Trump promised we would leave by summer '21.
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Hogwash and Poppycock, Biden followed nothing Trump had planned. Read a new book sonny...
 
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Their goal and agenda was to stop the certification of Electoral Votes, and possibly to violently threaten the members of Congress into rejecting the votes for Biden even though they were certified as legitimate by the Secretaries of State & legislatures of Ohio, Pennsylvania, Georgia, Nevada, Wisconsin & Michigan. That would have been a literal attack upon the US Constitution and a coup.
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Look mom we have mind reader among us.....
 
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hey Ronstar .. BTW ..

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Relatives to me who signed that Declaration of Independence, I claim the right they gave me to do as circled above!

Oliver Wolcott Sr. - first cousins 10 times removed
Gov Benjamin Harrison V - 10th cousins 10 times removed
President Thomas Jefferson - 11th cousins 8 times removed
Francis Lightfoot "Frank" Lee - 11th cousins 9 times removed
Charles Carroll - 12th cousins 7 times removed
John Witherspoon: 12th cousins 9 times removed
Roger Sherman - 12th cousins 10 times removed
Governor John "the Signer" Hancock III - 13th cousins 7 times removed
Mary Katharine Goddard - 14th cousins 9 times removed
 
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ronstar said:
if these "people" tried to break into the US Capital Building, they would have been all shot dead.

and btw, that symbol is no worse than this one:

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That is a beautiful flag and has deep meaning and that to many a black man too......

It did not get violent till the feds opened up fire FIRST with explosives.
 
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ronstar said:
Hundreds of thousands of Americans died due to that symbol of hate and evil, and all that is represented.
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HOGWASH AND POPPYCOCK! You are clueless to that flag as are those racist scum bags who hijack it today!
 
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ronstar said:
Confederate flag represented a "nation" created on the basis of ignorant hatred and white supremacy, and the enslavement of millions of people simply due to their race. You dig a REALLY deep hole by defending it, buddy. You should probably stop now.
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Wrong! It represented the grand Army of Virginia who fought for their right to their land as Arlington was stolen from Lee!
 
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Maybe in yours, and most lefty's, opinions.
for Southerners, it symbolized State's Rights vs. an overbearing and draconian Fed.
But I'm not surprised your opinion matches the Dem propaganda.
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All I know is what the people at the time said the Confederacy represented. And I know what the declerations of secession stated, and I know what the vice president of the Confederacy said his new nation was all about: slavery, white supremacy and the inferiority of the black race.

You can deny it all you like but it's all in the historical record.

FYI- defending the Confederacy and denying it's deep connections with racism & slavery, is a very deep hole to dig yourself into, especially when you're defending the 1/6 Insurrection. You should probably stop.
 
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