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[ronstar]

Welcome, please remember the forum rules. #1 is the most important.

Rule #1: Taxation is theft.

That is not the first rule of this forum, sorry.

However I am happy to inform you that the US Constitution specifically allows taxation, as does the 16th Amendment.

 

[Darth]

That is not the first rule of this forum, sorry.

However I am happy to inform you that the US Constitution specifically allows taxation, as does the 16th Amendment.

No, it's just the first rule the cool people know of.

Taxation is a bit like French kissing your sister. It might be technically legal, but it's still morally wrong.

As fun as it may be.

 

[ronstar]

No, it's just the first rule the cool people know of.

Taxation is a bit like French kissing your sister. It might be technically legal, but it's still morally wrong.

As fun as it may be.

ok, let's not derail my intro thread anymore. Thanks.

 

[Darth]

Oh you'll do great here.

 

[ronstar]

Oh you'll do great here.

Thanks bro.

 

[holdover]

Pornstar Joined Nov 15, 2018. never had much to say.

Earliest post I found.

May 11, 2021

First Message​

 

[lrick]

Ronstar Joined Nov 15, 2018. never had much to say.

His oldest post is May 11, 2021 by starting this thread:

Use of deadly force laws?

Hi, so I now live in Westchester and I want to know what all the use of deadly force rules are. I know we can shoot someone to protect our own life or the life of another, or to stop an assault, rape, kidnapping. Or to prevent an arson. But what about shooting someone to stop a burglary...

nygunforum.com

In which he questioned members about the use of deadly force with comments like this:

Hi, so I now live in Westchester and I want to know what all the use of deadly force rules are.

I know we can shoot someone to protect our own life or the life of another, or to stop an assault, rape, kidnapping. Or to prevent an arson.

But what about shooting someone to stop a burglary? What if they try to run out of my house with my tv? Can I shoot?

The NY Penal Code is confusing, I could swear it says you can use deadly force to stop a burglary, but is that only if the burglar has a deadly weapon?

Yet now he claims he was a park ranger. One would think he has some familiarity with the law, or at the very least how to research them. So what is the objective here? Proceed with caution.

 

[lrick]

Pornstar Joined Nov 15, 2018. never had much to say.

Earliest post I found.

May 11, 2021

First Message​

I don't know if that was auto-correct or on purpose, but I lost it

 

[holdover]

It wasnt Auto correct. He now has a new Nick name. The least I could give him.

 

[holdover]

His oldest post is May 11, 2021 by starting this thread:

Use of deadly force laws?

Hi, so I now live in Westchester and I want to know what all the use of deadly force rules are. I know we can shoot someone to protect our own life or the life of another, or to stop an assault, rape, kidnapping. Or to prevent an arson. But what about shooting someone to stop a burglary...

nygunforum.com

In which he questioned members about the use of deadly force with comments like this:


Yet now he claims he was a park ranger. One would think he has some familiarity with the law, or at the very least how to research them. So what is the objective here? Proceed with caution.

good catch.

 

[ronstar]

His oldest post is May 11, 2021 by starting this thread:

Use of deadly force laws?

Hi, so I now live in Westchester and I want to know what all the use of deadly force rules are. I know we can shoot someone to protect our own life or the life of another, or to stop an assault, rape, kidnapping. Or to prevent an arson. But what about shooting someone to stop a burglary...

nygunforum.com

In which he questioned members about the use of deadly force with comments like this:


Yet now he claims he was a park ranger. One would think he has some familiarity with the law, or at the very least how to research them. So what is the objective here? Proceed with caution.

I was never a law enforcement ranger.

 

[lrick]

good catch.

Whole thread reads like a state troll trying to test comments.

I thought Penal Code also says we can use deadly force if we see someone commit a murder, arson, rape, or other felony and they are trying to get away?

Hmmm...looks like NY law says you can only use deadly force to protect a human being, not a tv.

what if someone breaks into your home but doesn't have a weapon?

3. A person in possession or control of, or licensed or privileged to be in, a dwelling or an occupied building, who reasonably believes that another person is committing or attempting to commit a burglary of such dwelling or building, may use deadly physical force upon such other person when he or she reasonably believes such to be necessary to prevent or terminate the commission or attempted commission of such burglary.

Justification; use of physical force in defense of premises and in defense of a person in the course of burglary

www.nysenate.gov

this I dont understand. First we can only use deadly force to prevent murder, assault, rape, kidnap, robbery....but according to the above we can use deadly force to stop a burglary? under what circumstances would it be ok to shoot someone to stop them from stealing your silverware?

OK, I guess the best strategy is to only use deadly force to save someone's life, stop a rape, kidnapping, assault that could be deadly, arson. I'll just stick to that.

OK, so here in NY we can only shoot someone to stop a violent crime or armed criminal. Makes sense, I guess.

NY's castle doctrine ALSO applies to one's workplace and car. You have no duty to retreat from a violent intruder at your job or from a car-jacker.

So basically in NY, you cannot shoot someone for stealing your toaster.

Ok, so I was right about one's workplace. No duty to retreat there.

Park ranger huh. Officer Pornstar

 

[lrick]

I was never a law enforcement ranger.

Jellystone Park Ranger was it?

 

[lrick]

I was never a law enforcement ranger.

If you can read your own meaning into people's comments then I am free to do the same Officer Pornstar

 

[holdover]

 

[dsdmmat]

Well this thread degraded rapidly.

 

[HEX]

Well this thread degraded rapidly.

Indeed.

I swear, some people are just begging for bans lately (and as much as we don't like banning anyone, a couple of members have gotten/earned some significant ones.. though to be clear that isn't from this sort of nonsense, but rather the serious bigotry stuff). I don't know what the heck is going on.
It really should not be (and never has been) at all difficult to follow our loose rules and avoid our incredibly scant moderation.

As to this issue specifically.. how many times does it need to be said ? Having some different opinions than you doesn't make someone a 'troll', and it doesn't make them not welcome here. This place was never meant to be an echo chamber. If you don't want to interact with someone.. don't. It would certainly be nice if people could address differences of opinion with rational points and counterpoints.. you know, like reasonable grown adults; rather than with with personal attacks and incredibly childish BS.

Anyway @ronstar .. eh , welcome to the forum.
All that said, I'm going to agree with my wise colleague's decision and leave this particular thread closed to further replies.