City Hall press conference Monday on credit card companies

[gunpoliticsny]

On Monday 9/12 @ 2:00pm NYC Comptroller Brad Lander, Amalgamated Bank, trustees of the NYC Retirement Systems, elected leaders and advocates will hold a press conference calling on major credit card companies to implement full use of a merchant category code for standalone gun and ammunition stores, City Hall steps, Manhattan.

 

[Deplorable Me]

On Monday 9/12 @ 2:00pm NYC Comptroller Brad Lander, Amalgamated Bank, trustees of the NYC Retirement Systems, elected leaders and advocates will hold a press conference calling on major credit card companies to implement full use of a merchant category code for standalone gun and ammunition stores, City Hall steps, Manhattan.

Apparently they won't need 4473 records from the ATF any more.

 

[Cooolone]

How is tracking and implementing ANYTHING on "Firearms" not unconstitutional? Nothing nefarious there...

FUCK NY!

 

[Deplorable Me]

Credit Card Sales at Gun Stores Would Be Flagged Under New Code (Published 2022)

The move was approved by a group that sets standards for business transactions, but it was unclear how companies and banks would carry it out.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Cooolone]

Paywall... Fuck NY Times too! Liberal rag! Lol

 

[Saltwater60]

Yes they will track all out gun purchases and report them to the authorities.

 

[US RIFLE M1A]

Paying with cash is always a good idea anyway.

Using cash to avoid this crap would be more of a Gray Market, but the existence of a thriving Gray or Black Market is usually an indicator of a failed society. Societies usually fail on purpose.

All I know is that I will NOT fill out the questionnaire for ammo purchases, and I will NOT pay with a credit card that snitches on me.

 

[minderasr]

Agreed, I always pay with cash. But mail ordering is going to be a problem.

 

[livingston]

Agreed, I always pay with cash. But mail ordering is going to be a problem.

Go to walmart and buy a CC and use that one to charge

 

[US RIFLE M1A]

I grew up in Brooklyn in the 60s/70s. At at that time, it was mostly working/lower class, but everyone always seemed to have plenty of money around.

Learned over the years that there were many people who operated their entire lives on the margins of legit society. My parents were professionals, and were always straight-up, but they seemed to be the only ones.

Not that there was really a ton of illegal activity going on. Did not have to be. These were not the people who had a thirst for much that had to be satisfied through a true black market. These were decent hard working people, but they just thought differently. Cash income, paid with cash, very little if anything on paper. Your word was good enough.

My grandfather worked at a Ford/Linc/Merc car dealership in Howard Beach, Queens. He used to tell stories of suitcase cash for an entire Lincoln Continental. Buying a car is completely legal, so he was good. Where the cash came from was none of his business.

Some items were acquired through 'falling off the truck' but mostly, things were gotten by 'knowing a guy' or 'paying wholesale' or whatever. I was young then, so it all seemed like a mystery world. But to them, it was very real.

Bottom line was that you could get anything you wanted, most of it was legal enough so that no one cared. But it was all bought and sold in such a way that the buyers and sellers could rest easy knowing that although no-one really cared, no-one really knew anything either.

 

[Steal2B]

Threats to withdraw citizens' pension funds, many of which include employee contributions, from certain sound investments in order blackmail banks in to violating customers' rights is criminal extortion and a violation of the State's legal fiduciary responsibility. These assholes are real shitheads.

 

[minderasr]

Go to walmart and buy a CC and use that one to charge

Will online stores accept prepaid CCs?

 

[spat]

How is tracking and implementing ANYTHING on "Firearms" not unconstitutional? Nothing nefarious there...

FUCK NY!

When the government outsources its totalitarianism to private corporations, *that* is a hallmark of actual Facism.

 

[spat]

Threats to withdraw citizens' pension funds, many of which include employee contributions, from certain sound investments in order blackmail banks in to violating customers' rights is criminal extortion and a violation of the State's legal fiduciary responsibility. These assholes are real shitheads.

Keep an eye on your 401ks.

If they start doing that you *can* move your retirement into less political funds immediately.

 

[minderasr]

Keep an eye on your 401ks.

If they start doing that you *can* move your retirement into less political funds immediately.

Retirement funds like 401Ks and pensions are two different animals. People have no control over their pension funds.

 

[spat]

Retirement funds like 401Ks and pensions are two different animals. People have no control over their pension funds.

No, you're correct about actual pension funds.

Few people have an real pension anymore though. Most are IRAs of some sort with an employer contribution.

About the only actual pensions anymore are government run anyway.

 

[Saltwater60]

I’ll just pay cash. Yes I’ll buy some prepaid CC’s but I’m assuming it will get tracked and sorted the same way since they have your name and address. They will know what you’re buying so I doubt this will help much.

 

[minderasr]

I’ll just pay cash. Yes I’ll buy some prepaid CC’s but I’m assuming it will get tracked and sorted the same way since they have your name and address. They will know what you’re buying so I doubt this will help much.

I had no idea you had to give a name and address to buy a prepaid CC.

 

[Saltwater60]

I had no idea you had to give a name and address to buy a prepaid CC.

It’s not to buy the prepaid credit card, but you do for the product you are buying. Also an address. I’d assume people buying with a prepaid CC would be having that item shipped. Otherwise you’d just pay with cash. Of course I’m assuming prepaid CC are tracked the same way as a CC. That I don’t know, but I would sure suspect they are.

 

[Saltwater60]

Visa adopts the code.

Payment Processor Visa To Start Categorizing Sales At Gun Stores

Visa’s adoption is significant as the largest payment network, and will likely add pressure for Mastercard and American Express to adopt the code as well.

www.huffpost.com

 

[Steal2B]

Visa adopts the code.

Payment Processor Visa To Start Categorizing Sales At Gun Stores

Visa’s adoption is significant as the largest payment network, and will likely add pressure for Mastercard and American Express to adopt the code as well.

www.huffpost.com

Mastercard and American Express already succumbed before Visa

 

[Steal2B]

Of course I’m assuming prepaid CC are tracked the same way as a CC.

If they are Visa, Mastercard, or American Express (most of the prepaids) they are. For fraud protection most merchants also insist name / address on credit cards as well as prepaids match the shipping address.

 

[repete]

Pay cash and ask for a cash discount, I do it all the time for larger purchases.

 

[RooftopKorean]

This may be the perfect time for another company to start up who will not bend to the left.

 

[Deplorable Me]

One of my FFLs doesn't take credit cards.

Technically they've accomplished nothing.

Take a cash advance and go shopping.

Funny I can buy all the fireworks I want in PA or IN and fill up my truck no problem.

 

[Apeman]

So I assume then the next step is to create a code for alcohol purchases right? That way if you buy too much at once they can stop you before you drive drunk and hurt or kill multiple people.

More proof that they don't actually care about safety and that they just want to control and spy on us.

What are their plans? Knock on your door when a $300 ammo purchase is made? They can't force their way in based on a credit card receipt. I'm sure there will be a few judges that will grant a warrant in this shithole state. Let the lawsuits begin.

 

[Acer-m14]

so what if you took your CC to the ATM and pulled out some cash ??

ATM at GUN Stores now .. just like at the Casinos and BARS .. LOL ..

 

[Grimscale]

What are their plans? Knock on your door when a $300 ammo purchase is made?

No. Their plan is to 1) tax the shit out of purchases at gun stores, until
2) They convince the banks to ban all gun store purchases via C.C. entirely.

#2 will happen right after they ban paying cash for anything.

Their goal is a and always has been total disarmament and complete and utter control of our lives.

I just wish I would be alive when it comes home to roost, as history has shown us time and time again.

 

[Mr. terzmo]

Agreed, I always pay with cash. But mail ordering is going to be a problem.

money order

 

[Saltwater60]

money order

I have not seen that option on many large stores. They don’t and can’t be bothered but maybe now they will.