Former NYPD officer upset..

[ECU Pirates]

http://nypost.com/2017/02/25/retired-cop-city-is-punishing-me-by-not-letting-me-carry-gun/


Awwww poor guy. He's just like everyone else in that dump now.

"A newly-retired hero detective with more than 600 arrests wants to carry a gun in retirement — but the NYPD has treated him like a common criminal in denying his application"

 

[ECU Pirates]

This is great:
" While the injury prevents him from doing police work, he claims, he had surgery and healed well."

"But when Torino, who also wants a gun for private-security work, went to the department last week to apply for a “concealed carry permit,” he was rejected, with officials stamping “No firearms” on his NYPD identification card."


So he's too injured to work as a cop and needs to collect disability. But he can somehow handle private security work? Seems legit.

 

[Robin]

Causing him to live a second class citizen along with the millions of other residents of NYC is just not fair. He is special and deserves to be treated in a special way and granted super-citizenry.
Robin

 

[stuck in ny]

Ahh, he's not special anymore. Someone should give him a juicebox to make him feel better.

 

[Airborneguy]

I know this guy. He was forced to retire, as most with 3/4 are which is always overlooked in the hit pieces about people living normal lives after getting a disability pension from the city.

The city maintains very high standards which are stupid considering there are plenty of positions they could have put someone like him in rather than force him out. I know a few people who fought to stay and lost, and now they're supposed to be ashamed of living a normal life? Nope.

That said, he'll get his permit easily.

All he has to show is that he was treated differently than others in his same circumstance. Easy. He was never a part of denying rights to others (as I'm sure post after post will claim), and denying him does nothing to further the cause of gaining back rights for all citizens, which is the common goal rather than taking everyone down with you which fixes exactly zero problems.

I'm going to email his wife right now to show my 100% support.

 

[Podmonkey]

I know this guy. He was forced to retire, as most with 3/4 are which is always overlooked in the hit pieces about people living normal lives after getting a disability pension from the city.

The city maintains very high standards which are stupid considering there are plenty of positions they could have put someone like him in rather than force him out. I know a few people who fought to stay and lost, and now they're supposed to be ashamed of living a normal life? Nope.

That said, he'll get his permit easily.

All he has to show is that he was treated differently than others in his same circumstance. Easy. He was never a part of denying rights to others (as I'm sure post after post will claim), and denying him does nothing to further the cause of gaining back rights for all citizens, which is the common goal rather than taking everyone down with you which fixes exactly zero problems.

I'm going to email his wife right now to show my 100% support.

I'll acknowledge the "fucked me so fuck you" mentality is rampant in NYS. If not admirable it's understandable. But you are correct that it accomplishes nothing. Another reason why I had to leave.

 

[Airborneguy]

Another reason why I had to leave.

We plan to have our exit set up before I retire so I can skip the permit process all together. I'll show them my ME/NH/VT residency as I walk out the door and all my handguns will be there already. Worst case I get the permit as a formality and toss it as I walk out the door.

 

[Podmonkey]

We plan to have our exit set up before I retire so I can skip the permit process all together. I'll show them my ME/NH/VT residency as I walk out the door and all my handguns will be there already. Worst case I get the permit as a formality and toss it as I walk out the door.

I'm actually thinking about moving again to Utah or Idaho now. I fell completely in love with the mountain country during my travels out there. Northern Nevada too.

 

[Calculon]

He was never a part of denying rights to others (as I'm sure post after post will claim), and denying him does nothing to further the cause of gaining back rights for all citizens, which is the common goal rather than taking everyone down with you which fixes exactly zero problems.

I will respectfully disagree with this part of your post. Active and retired LEO have tremendous bargaining power (through unions and as private citizens as a voting block) and if ALL were treated like non LEO and told to pound sand, the outcry from LEO just might make a difference when negotiating in the future. Creating special classes like "retired LEO" does not help the average citizen in regaining his rights - in fact it makes it more difficult as it divides us into separate factions.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

I'm actually thinking about moving again to Utah or Idaho now. I fell completely in love with the mountain country during my travels out there. Northern Nevada too.

My girlfriend and I have been looking out that way too. She has to finish her vet tech degree and we both have to save $$$.

 

[swilliams]

Just a word of caution... though it's gotten a little bit better, Utah Mormons are weird. Spend some time there before you decide.

 

[Robin]

No animus here, I hope he gets his permit, I hope hundreds of thousands of other NYC residents who have the need or desire to have a permit get theirs. What I resent is, by virtue of ones occupation they are entitled to special rights, which is a concept that is wholly un-American and an anathema to the Constitution. Like I said, I hope he gets his permit, but the issue is much deeper and more profound that him alone.

 

[Robin]

Just a word of caution... though it's gotten a little bit better, Utah Mormons are weird. Spend some time there before you decide.

I wonder if they will have to share their planet with all those muslims looking for virgins?

 

[ECU Pirates]

I know this guy. He was forced to retire, as most with 3/4 are which is always overlooked in the hit pieces about people living normal lives after getting a disability pension from the city.

The city maintains very high standards which are stupid considering there are plenty of positions they could have put someone like him in rather than force him out. I know a few people who fought to stay and lost, and now they're supposed to be ashamed of living a normal life? Nope.

That said, he'll get his permit easily.

All he has to show is that he was treated differently than others in his same circumstance. Easy. He was never a part of denying rights to others (as I'm sure post after post will claim), and denying him does nothing to further the cause of gaining back rights for all citizens, which is the common goal rather than taking everyone down with you which fixes exactly zero problems.

I'm going to email his wife right now to show my 100% support.

So did he fight it? If not then he was not exactly forced out (officially).

"He was granted a tax-free disability pension equal to three-fourths of his annual $102,000 salary."

Is that more than his pension would be?

 

[dwa12479]

and denying him does nothing to further the cause of gaining back rights for all citizens, which is the common goal rather than taking everyone down with you which fixes exactly zero problems.

I gotta disagree with this along with Calculon. Exempting LEO/retired LEO from gun laws like SAFE is the politicians way of taking the vast majority of them out of the fight. I know that there's exceptions, but there's also plenty that don't give a damn as long as they have theirs. If all special exemptions for all LEO in the US were rescinded tomorrow, there'd be a massive outcry, and we'd have a flood of reinforcements to our side.

I'd been saying for quite some time before Obamas term ended that I was hoping for a National SAFE Act of some sort, simply to bring more allies into the fight of NY'ers. We'll never get their help until they're actually affected though.

 

[ECU Pirates]

I will respectfully disagree with this part of your post. Active and retired LEO have tremendous bargaining power (through unions and as private citizens as a voting block) and if ALL were treated like non LEO and told to pound sand, the outcry from LEO just might make a difference when negotiating in the future. Creating special classes like "retired LEO" does not help the average citizen in regaining his rights - in fact it makes it more difficult as it divides us into separate factions.

That is 100% correct. If everyone was treated equally then more would want right's for everyone. It's easy for retired cops to say "I wish you could get a permit in the city" and go on their way carrying. If they were denied and no special classes of citizen were created then things would change in my opinion. Active and retired leo's have the ears of elected officials.

 

[Airborneguy]

So did he fight it? If not then he was not exactly forced out (officially).

"He was granted a tax-free disability pension equal to three-fourths of his annual $102,000 salary."

Is that more than his pension would be?

I know he didn't want to leave, but I don't know the specifics of how far he went in fighting it.

The other Sgt who is here working with me right now is currently fighting a disability pension. Her case is a little different though because she knows she has no chance, she's just trying to delay it as long as possible.

At this moment, the disability pension is obviously higher than 50%, but if his plans were to stay, he's losing a ton of money in the end. I plan to stay 30 years. If I was forced out now my pension would be demonstrably less and I'd have to figure out how to live on it for or so extra years.

 

[Airborneguy]

I'm not going to agree either way, but I'm even more vehemently against wishing the whole country faced our New York problems, many of which apply to LEO's also. We fight our own battles. We don't drag others down with us.

 

[ECU Pirates]

I know he didn't want to leave, but I don't know the specifics of how far he went in fighting it.

The other Sgt who is here working with me right now is currently fighting a disability pension. Her case is a little different though because she knows she has no chance, she's just trying to delay it as long as possible.

At this moment, the disability pension is obviously higher than 50%, but if his plans were to stay, he's losing a ton of money in the end. I plan to stay 30 years. If I was forced out now my pension would be demonstrably less and I'd have to figure out how to live on it for or so extra years.

Here's how it looks to people who don't know him. He takes a sweetheart deal for life, goes on working in the private sector (maybe at a pay increase) and it's a win win. Throw in a special permit and it's even better. That being said I don't know why that other special rule won't apply. The one for retired cops. I thought you only needed 10 years in to qualify (it should trump city law).

 

[stokes]

Retired LEO's are not granted carry permits because "they are special",but the do have "special reasons" for needing to continue carrying,particularly in NYC and other metropolitan areas.Over a 20-30 yr career a cop makes many enemies.

 

[ECU Pirates]

Retired LEO's are not granted carry permits because "they are special",but the do have "special reasons" for needing to continue carrying,particularly in NYC and other metropolitan areas.Over a 20-30 yr career a cop makes many enemies.

Show me in the bill of rights where it says "special reasons"? A battered woman with a crazy ex has a special reason. Will she get a permit in NYC?

 

[dwa12479]

I'm not going to agree either way, but I'm even more vehemently against wishing the whole country faced our New York problems, many of which apply to LEO's also. We fight our own battles. We don't drag others down with us.

While I can see this side of it, I gotta figure that the Brits may have been just a little bit happy after Pearl Harbor in 1941 knowing that real help was on the way now. It sucks to wish misfortune on others, and it's not something I generally do, but what other way can you draw them into the fight?

 

[ECU Pirates]

Also this:

http://nypost.com/2017/02/23/da-blasts-bill-allowing-conceal-carry-in-all-50-states/

 

[Airborneguy]

I thought you only needed 10 years in to qualify (it should trump city law).

To qualify for the permit? Or do you mean LEOSA? The city tries to deny medical disabilities the permit all the time. My father never got one and gave up after a few years. As for LEOSA, depends. Because this guy was specifically denied, LEOSA may not apply. I don't know enough about that. Where it "trumps" the permit process would be in states like NH where there won't be one at all, meaning NYC couldn't arrest a NH retiree for not having a permit.

 

[Airborneguy]

Also this:

http://nypost.com/2017/02/23/da-blasts-bill-allowing-conceal-carry-in-all-50-states/

There was a whole discussion about this article the other day and how the post loves to make up random anonymous cop quotes without ever ID'ing someone. If real, whoever made those comments are douches. They did the same in 2004 when discussing LEOSA, ripping "podunk" cops and who shouldn't have guns at all.

 

[ECU Pirates]

To qualify for the permit? Or do you mean LEOSA? The city tries to deny medical disabilities the permit all the time. My father never got one and gave up after a few years. As for LEOSA, depends. Because this guy was specifically denied, LEOSA may not apply. I don't know enough about that. Where it "trumps" the permit process would be in states like NH where there won't be one at all, meaning NYC couldn't arrest a NH retiree for not having a permit.

I was talking about the LEOSA. I would think a federal act would trump the NYC rule. I see that they claim he should not have a gun due to medical reasons. That might not allow for the LEOSA to apply. It should be an easy appeal for him though. People can shoot with one hand. Cops used to do it all the time. Seeing how is hand is healed it should apply I would think.

 

[Airborneguy]

Not to mention, people can learn how to shoot with their weak hand.

I had a discussion with a guy I worked with about that a few years ago. He had a hand injury and was interested in staying but knew he had no chance. He asked his lawyer about testing with his left hand and the lawyer told him the city wouldn't even entertain that option. He did get 3/4 in the end.

 

[Celt]

I'm not going to agree either way, but I'm even more vehemently against wishing the whole country faced our New York problems, many of which apply to LEO's also. We fight our own battles. We don't drag others down with us.

I'm in this camp too. I can't support restricting more people just because the state wants to keep my balls in a jar on the shelf (little do they know I gave them a fake pair ).

 

[Airborneguy]

Just to add to how bad we ALL have it, my brother just called me to tell me he got his PA license to carry today in a grand total of 5 min for $20 (5 years). I wish I did like him when I got out of the Army and just stayed away.

 

[Celt]

Just to add to how bad we ALL have it, my brother just called me to tell me he got his PA license to carry today in a grand total of 5 min for $20 (5 years). I wish I did like him when I got out of the Army and just stayed away.

Yep, I have a good buddy that lives in PA (moved from long Island last year for political reasons). He keeps telling me about all his standard cap mags for rifles and handguns. Think I'll ask him tosend me some..