Pistol Brace Rule Published

[Acer-m14]

something interesting and related .. remember not a lawyer but a lawyer lol

"When do gun kits and parts turn into legal firearms? How does the recent pistol brace ATF ruling impact this? What is constructive intent when dealing with firearms, and how does it ACTUALLY work in court? Do parts become gun via constructive intent only when they are fully assembled, mostly assembled, somewhat assembled, or can completely unassembled parts be legally considered a firearm? What about if you have multiple different parts that could fit the same firearm, like different barrel lengths, and one of them turns it into an ILLEGAL SBR and another makes it a LEGAL rifle or pistol? "

remember this parts kit ??? he talks about it ..

 

[togmaster]

something interesting and related .. remember not a lawyer but a lawyer lol

"When do gun kits and parts turn into legal firearms? How does the recent pistol brace ATF ruling impact this? What is constructive intent when dealing with firearms, and how does it ACTUALLY work in court? Do parts become gun via constructive intent only when they are fully assembled, mostly assembled, somewhat assembled, or can completely unassembled parts be legally considered a firearm? What about if you have multiple different parts that could fit the same firearm, like different barrel lengths, and one of them turns it into an ILLEGAL SBR and another makes it a LEGAL rifle or pistol? "

remember this parts kit ??? he talks about it ..

Good video

 

[Acer-m14]

after more research on the ar15 pistol brace i will be ordering one .

it will strap on my Mosin 91/30 rifle stock

and make it a ELR per some atf rule i bet ..

Extremely
Long
Rifle

 

[C3D]

From bad to worse:

 

[Acer-m14]

18 usc 922r is null n void ..

NYSRPA vs Bruen ... gotta go back to 1791 .. NO ATF THEN ..

now

ATF is in violation of

18 usc 241 and 242

 

[Dr. Evil]

 

[Cavalry]

I really cant figure out if the AFT thinks its going to succeed with all of this or if they are setting themselves up to fail on purpose. Sure, its going to take a couple years, but there is going to be some big changes...well anywhere except NY

 

[Acer-m14]

Notice last i knew the Rule has not been posted yet to the registry .. there taking lots of heat ..

 

[Briwesk85]

I can’t find if the kak shockwave fin is now looked at as something the atf doesn’t like. They keep mentioning brace, but fins are out there

 

[Acer-m14]

here is a experiment ..

take your Glock or pistol of choice ,, load it .

place the pistol grip on your shoulder .. oh put on hearing protection .. its gunna be loud .

then finger the bang switch ..

you may not hit the target .. but you just shouldered a actual pistol and shot it .. LOL

 

[Uninformed and Compliant]

Wait...

...they'll waive the $200 tax stamp?

They cannot do so. The entire premise of the NFA is that of an Interstate Commercial Sales Tax.

If they do not intend to collect the interstate commercial sales tax, they cannot require a fucking application to pay it.

 

[Uninformed and Compliant]

Other caveat, because fuck the unlawful ATF -

The "SBR" to be registered or surrendered is exactly the fully stripped lower, by the ATF's own standard.

 

[GOYABEAN]

Wait...

...they'll waive the $200 tax stamp?

They cannot do so. The entire premise of the NFA is that of an Interstate Commercial Sales Tax.

If they do not intend to collect the interstate commercial sales tax, they cannot require a fucking application to pay it.

Alphabet agency with 0 power of making laws creating a trap dangling that make believe carrot hoping to catch the foolish one's who drunk the Kool-Aid

 

[Cavalry]

I can’t find if the kak shockwave fin is now looked at as something the atf doesn’t like. They keep mentioning brace, but fins are out there

I think they call it out specifically as well. The catch all "surface area", LOP, texture, optics used, and a cornucopia other factors make pretty much anything not GTG.
I dont think even a bare buffer tube (on a AR) is ok, if other features exist. Its a cluster.

 

[GOYABEAN]

 

[spat]

I really cant figure out if the AFT thinks its going to succeed with all of this or if they are setting themselves up to fail on purpose. Sure, its going to take a couple years, but there is going to be some big changes...well anywhere except NY

They think they can Bleed resources from the RKBA movement with this, and they're right.

How many millions will our side have to spend just to get back to where we were before ?

*that* is their strategy, and it is very effective. Throw enough crap at the wall and we'll bankrupt ourselves cleaning it off.

 

[livingston]

How the New Pistol Brace Rule Suddenly Makes Gun Trusts Much More Valuable​

 

[Dr. Evil]

 

[Slacker43]

The ATF webinar on this rule was so bad. Someone is going to use this in court for sure.

 

[Dr. Evil]

 

[GOYABEAN]

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

So because just taking the brace off is acceptable, this will stand for a good while.

 

[SomeSoldier]

So because just taking the brace off is acceptable, this will stand for a good while.

Or slap a 16" upper on it and leave the brace.

 

[Acer-m14]

lawsuit filed ..

 

[SomeSoldier]

lawsuit filed ..

Couple from what I have read.

 

[Acer-m14]

Couple from what I have read.

i was reading the comments there and get this ..

"This would be the second lawsuit filed. SAF v. BATFE was filed in Jan. 2021 and is ongoing. Same north district Texas court that the FPC filed in today."


the 2021

SAF SUES BATFE OVER ARM BRACE APA VIOLATIONS - Second Amendment Foundation

BELLEVUE, WA – The Second Amendment Foundation today filed a lawsuit in federal district court against the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, and the Department of Justice, alleging violations of the Administrative Procedures Act relating to its flip-flop regulation of arm...

www.saf.org

2023

SAF RIPS ATF ‘FINAL RULE’ ON ARMBRACES, LAWSUIT WILL MOVE FORWARD - Second Amendment Foundation

BELLEVUE, WA – The Second Amendment Foundation today accused the Biden administration of “once again trying to trample the rights of gun owners” by allowing the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to adopt a “final rule” on arm braces for modern semiautomatic pistols. While the...

www.saf.org

 

[Dr. Evil]

 

[That_FNG]

Why is everybody so upset over this and filing lawsuits? They should just run away and move to a free state. I keep hearing how free states are this magical place where no gun laws currently and ever will apply.

 

[Acer-m14]

Why is everybody so upset over this and filing lawsuits? They should just run away and move to a free state. I keep hearing how free states are this magical place where no gun laws currently and ever will apply.

im not upset ..

hell i put one of these braces on my Mosin M44 stock and it made it a Mosin 91/30 ELR ..


Extremely Long Rifle ...

better accuracy , Faster Bullet speed then a SBR or Pistol

Shhhhhhhhhhhh ..

 

[dsdmmat]

Why is everybody so upset over this and filing lawsuits? They should just run away and move to a free state. I keep hearing how free states are this magical place where no gun laws currently and ever will apply.

That is how to stop them. If NYers had done in 1911 the gun law problems in NY would not be what they are today. NY is a lost cause on so many things. The 2A is sadly only a small part of the ever growing reasons no one should live there.