Temporary Restaining Order Issued For Concealed Carry Improvement Act (merged thread)

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Here's a juicy little tidbit....just called Walmart Corporate....asked about their policy regarding concealed carry in their stores...amazingly the girl couldn't find anything....put me on hold to speak with her supervisors....then she informed me that their policy will be changing in states with legal open carry as a result of the mass shootings....very very vague indeed. I believe she was talking about prohibiting open carry in those states. I know all our local Walmart already have signs prohibiting OPEN CARRY which I interpret as concealed carry is allowed. Heres the most recent piece of information I can find listed online...personally, I interpret that as express consent as well..... Screenshot_20230128-093733_Chrome.jpg
 
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Cooolone said:
What risk? Risk is nit assumed when exercising a RIGHT! The SCOTUS has made it clear on numerous rulings
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I like where you're coming from. I completely agree with your mindset on the principles. However, you can't possibly ignore the risks involved. At this point we're no different than the people in the North helping runaway slaves escape to freedom via the Underground Railroad. We're doing what is right, but that doesn't make it legal. There are plenty of bad cops out there who will ignore what is right and enforce what is "law". How many blacks were arrested for using white drinking fountains or sitting in white only areas in the 60's? Being right doesn't make you immune from having your civil rights violated by the government and being prosecuted. They've already been allowed to pass the law and they've then been allowed to enforce it by the courts.
To say you don't expect to get in a jam or only break one at a time is to over simplify it. You cannot conceive of all of the possible scenarios that may get you or I into a jam. What will your employer, neighbors, family, friends think when they hear of your felony weapons charge arrest? How much money will it cost you to appeal it 4,5,6 times until you get it up to a high enough court who will recognize Bruen? How many years will that take?
 
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GlockModel29 said:
Here's a juicy little tidbit....just called Walmart Corporate....asked about their policy regarding concealed carry in their stores...amazingly the girl couldn't find anything....put me on hold to speak with her supervisors....then she informed me that their policy will be changing in states with legal open carry as a result of the mass shootings....very very vague indeed. I believe she was talking about prohibiting open carry in those states. I know all our local Walmart already have signs prohibiting OPEN CARRY which I interpret as concealed carry is allowed. Heres the most recent piece of information I can find listed online...personally, I interpret that as express consent as well..... View attachment 188849
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I agree and I’ve also said this on here. The signs say we prefer you not to open carry but now they maybe banning it in there stores. I’m not sure what open carrying of a pistol and mass shootings have to do with each other but I get it could scare customers.
 
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Saltwater60 said:
I agree and I’ve also said this on here. The signs say we prefer you not to open carry but now they maybe banning it in there stores. I’m not sure what open carrying of a pistol and mass shootings have to do with each other but I get it could scare customers.
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I was pretty surprised she couldn't find anything on her computer regarding legal concealed carry and had to ask her supervisor which basically amounted to hearsay and/or speculation....actually she did find that EMPLOYEES cannot concealed carry while working....
 
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Permission signs on your home door could be a dangerous game to be playing. No signs on my doors, ever. To me, that`s just letting people know you might have guns in your home if you`re giving people permission to come to your home with guns. A criminal may see this as an opportunity.

Another thought i had, what if you end up in court over shooting an armed intruder. The DA may find it handy for them to say that you were ok with the intruder coming onto your property in the first place by having a "permission sign" on your door. Its very possible, in NY
 
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Permission signs on your home door could be a dangerous game to be playing. No signs on my doors, ever. To me, that`s just letting people know you might have guns in your home if you`re giving people permission to come to your home with guns. A criminal may see this as an opportunity.

Another thought i had, what if you end up in court over shooting an armed intruder. The DA may find it handy for them to say that you were ok with the intruder coming onto your property in the first place by having a "permission sign" on your door. Its very possible, in NY
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Yeah, but, but, I thought Heil Hochul said the police will be right there to protect you against an armed intruder? :ROFL::ROFL:
 
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Cooolone said:
I don't understand the confusion by so many CITIZENS of this great country!















My RIGHTS aren't bestowed, and therefore cannot be DENIED! The 2nd ESPECIALLY which is the only RIGHT with explicit instructions provided, SHALL NOT BE INGRINGED!















Courts, Judges, and Empty Suit Governors included, do not decide what my RIGHTS are. This is the original problem with even writing them down, as some of the founders had feared!















I'll exercise my RIGHT, as I see fit, in the pursuit of happiness as decreed in that famous document. I will enjoy those RIGHTS absent fear of the Big Bad Wolf that never comes, but I will never walk undefended, especially in today's upside down world where the need and necessity for self preservation is displayed daily, let alone in NY State! I'm not going to worry about the toothless SCOTUS, or the LEFTIST Bent Administration that wants to impose it's executive will bypassing the legislative and judicial branches of our Gov't that enact and interpret laws! RIGHTS, exceed those branches of Gov't and sit atop the mantle of the experiment in which we are all voluntary participants.















Good luck to those always looking over their shoulder in fear of the heavy hand of Gov't, or the Bad Guy because they're willing to submit and subject themselves to unconstitutional laws enacted with maleficence towards those who would exercise their RIGHTS... SHALL NOT BE INGRINGED is written and signed by representatives from every State. Funny thing is NY was the LAST STATE to sign the Constitution... lol, kinda ironic, no? Again... Those RIGHTS are mine, assigned at birth, not by Gov't, only recognized by Gov't. That's it! Simple truth, regardless







FUCK NY!!!







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What risk? Risk is nit assumed when exercising a RIGHT! The SCOTUS has made it clear on numerous rulings, to Enjoy your Right(s), you must exercise them... It is not a given, nor is IT given! Having a firearm sitting at home locked and unusable in a safe, is NOT exercising that Right, but behaving in a manner prescribed by those who would wish to remove your Rights. Again, the one Right in the BOR which had explicit instruction, SHALL NOT BE INFRNGED, anything else is just bullshit!



Back to Risk... I don't see Risk, because I don't expect to get in a jam. Most if not all the cases you will encounter or read about will be mostly from law breakers having some serious issues with the law AND the firearm being thrown in. Break only one at a time, here, a 2A law violation, strictly on it's own merits and typically it will never get to a courtroom. Why? Because the State will never allow precedent to be established! So live a clean life, stay away from afterhours joints and do what you want, live as you will, and stop worrying about the Big Bad Wolf that never comes!



Besides, I'm too old to have any fucks left...



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Cooolone said:
What risk? Risk is nit assumed when exercising a RIGHT! The SCOTUS has made it clear on numerous rulings, to Enjoy your Right(s), you must exercise them... It is not a given, nor is IT given! Having a firearm sitting at home locked and unusable in a safe, is NOT exercising that Right, but behaving in a manner prescribed by those who would wish to remove your Rights. Again, the one Right in the BOR which had explicit instruction, SHALL NOT BE INFRNGED, anything else is just bullshit!

Back to Risk... I don't see Risk, because I don't expect to get in a jam. Most if not all the cases you will encounter or read about will be mostly from law breakers having some serious issues with the law AND the firearm being thrown in. Break only one at a time, here, a 2A law violation, strictly on it's own merits and typically it will never get to a courtroom. Why? Because the State will never allow precedent to be established! So live a clean life, stay away from afterhours joints and do what you want, live as you will, and stop worrying about the Big Bad Wolf that never comes!

Besides, I'm too old to have any fucks left...

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This is 100% where I have been for a long time. I know what the Bruen ruling meant. I have not changed a thing since before september except I bought a new carry pistol. I intend to live my life as I have morally knowing what I am doing is right. How many that are worried have been jammed up on this forum? I am guessing zero. I would also guess that most on this forum have had armed interactions with police and nothing evil transpired. Our political talking heads just want everyone to scared to exercise their rights. Be smart just as you always have and carry on. You probably have better odds of needing your pistol sometime in your life than you do getting jammed up carrying in a store. It is my duty as a citizen of the USA to not follow unconstitutional laws. If I am the test case so be it. I will not back down and I will not plea down anything. I refuse to live my life in fear of some bureaucrats in albany who just want a scared flock of voters. I follow this thread just to keep up on what is happening, not to live my life by it.
 
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livingston said:

BYE BYE ‘GUN FREE ZONES’! Huge Federal Court Ruling Deals MAJOR BLOW to NJ's "Sensitive Places"​

Federal Judge Bumb issues another favorable ruling supporting the 2nd Amendment and the NYSRPA v. Bruen decision against so called government-mandated gun free zones. Decision is below.

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Interesting… now will the second circuit do the same??
 
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Just watch, NY will be in the limelight again. These states are taking turns being in the limelight. Mean while crime is running rampant.

You don't need to be the oracle of wizardry to figure this crap out anymore. This is their way of pleasing the masses, and confusing people, which can potentially turn law abiding people into a felon quickly.

Ain't fooling me, as ever since the CCIA got put into place, it isn't going anywhere anytime soon. While I had a glimmer of hope, in the back of mind I laughed at the Bruen decision. I also notice that whenever these people talk, they don't even mention the old Sullivan Act that has been around for a long time (est. 1911). Its just a new Sullivan Act mixed with the Safe Act.
 
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ManualF150 said:
Just watch, NY will be in the limelight again. These states are taking turns being in the limelight. Mean while crime is running rampant.

You don't need to be the oracle of wizardry to figure this crap out anymore. This is their way of pleasing the masses, and confusing people, which can potentially turn law abiding people into a felon quickly.

Ain't fooling me, as ever since the CCIA got put into place, it isn't going anywhere anytime soon. While I had a glimmer of hope, in the back of mind I laughed at the Bruen decision. I also notice that whenever these people talk, they don't even mention the old Sullivan Act that has been around for a long time (est. 1911). Its just a new Sullivan Act mixed with the Safe Act.
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WHAT Supreme Court .. just name it and stop the click bait titles ..
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Yeah, he seems like an intelligent dude, but I see these video titles and immediately get soured. I realize I will actually be very disappointed in whatever he has to say since it won't be anything positive about our situation here in NY.
Half the time I just bypass them now for ones that are at least a LITTLE better... but all of them remind me of the "BREAKING NEWS" crap from the sham 'elections' in 2020.
 
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Yeah, he seems like an intelligent dude, but I see these video titles and immediately get soured. I realize I will actually be very disappointed in whatever he has to say since it won't be anything positive about our situation here in NY.
Half the time I just bypass them now for ones that are at least a LITTLE better... but all of them remind me of the "BREAKING NEWS" crap from the sham 'elections' in 2020.
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Rarely does he have anything of substance to say either, just repeat after repeat of the same nothings.
 
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Between them, Heller and Bruen identified a total of five presumptively “sensitive places” – “schools,” “government buildings,” “legislative assemblies,” “polling places,” and “courthouses.” Each of these locations is owned or tightly controlled by the government, and used for express, limited, governmental purposes.
Finally, Defendants’ claim that people should not “meet and worship God ... armed as though for battle” is belied by the overwhelmingly broad historical tradition – from the Founding era – of colonists and early Americans doing exactly that.

 
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Glock_USA said:
Between them, Heller and Bruen identified a total of five presumptively “sensitive places” – “schools,” “government buildings,” “legislative assemblies,” “polling places,” and “courthouses.” Each of these locations is owned or tightly controlled by the government, and used for express, limited, governmental purposes.
Finally, Defendants’ claim that people should not “meet and worship God ... armed as though for battle” is belied by the overwhelmingly broad historical tradition – from the Founding era – of colonists and early Americans doing exactly that.

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No one even knows I’m armed when I worship and I can guarantee you if I was going into battle I would have more than a pistol, a knife, and 51 rounds on me.
 
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Glock_USA said:
Between them, Heller and Bruen identified a total of five presumptively “sensitive places” – “schools,” “government buildings,” “legislative assemblies,” “polling places,” and “courthouses.” Each of these locations is owned or tightly controlled by the government, and used for express, limited, governmental purposes.
Finally, Defendants’ claim that people should not “meet and worship God ... armed as though for battle” is belied by the overwhelmingly broad historical tradition – from the Founding era – of colonists and early Americans doing exactly that.

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and now with the bruen verdict .. heller is wrong and so is part of bruen .,.

back to 1791 .. where there sensitive places ??

did the framers carry there arm when they signed the 2A ( Constitution )
 
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